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Is Frank Williams Overrated?
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bigblitz2001
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1/18/2004  1:38 AM
Tonight watching the Knicks game I was thinking about this. At first I was really upset when Moochie Norris got up to replace Marbury. I was yelling where is Frank Williams? But to think about this guy, he couldnt beat out Eisley or Ward. I alway just thought Chaney couldnt coach, but Lenny has played Moochie above Frank also. He had 4 good games, and everyone acts like this guy is untradable. Im starting to think the reason the Knicks arent playing him right now is, his trade value is high and they dont want him to hurt that by allowing the rest of the league to see him too much and pick up on his weaknesses. To me he has shown promise but has proved nothing. I say trade him now while his trade value is high. I would do the Darius Miles trade. Miles has upside, is athletic and can finish in the lane. Also even if Frank turns out to be good we already have Steph.
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1/18/2004  1:48 AM
Look right now Starbury is the future n the current starting pg and will retire as the starter.U guys think Will be happy about the backup role for 7 or 8 or 10yrs.((NOPE))so keep him on the bench while his trade value is high so we can get someone good in return.norris is a decent backup veteran n there will be another to replace him along the line to backup Starbury.u read my mind
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1/18/2004  1:58 AM
I actually think giving Williams more PT would only increase his value.
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1/18/2004  9:45 AM
Frank still could be hurt.
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1/18/2004  9:50 AM
wow, i can't believe you guys. first you say that you love frank frank for the way he plays and the way he runs the team from the pg position. now you say that he might not be that good because the lack of playing time that chaney gave him and lenny is giving him. ah come on. have you even watched him play the whole year? this guy was great. examples, remember the boston game at msg when in the fourth every body was tired, it was frank and guys like othela, doleac, shandon that cut into to that 8 point lead in the fourth, the minnasota game, i hope you remember what he did in that one, the laker game was his coming out party, you should remember the grizzies game, the heat game, the magic game for those three pointers and that sweat dist to ward on the break, there were many more where he contributed significantly.
then he got hurt and the knicks misfortunes began and chaney's demise was inevitable.
did you ever actually really see this guy play in the game consistently for atleast 10-15 games at the starting point position. he was three and 0 in those games and he was the main guy in the grizz game. every time this guy has seen significant minutes,(20-35) he has impressed us as fans and people like marv albert and clyde. they were even starting to compare him to clyde.
did you already forget that nice dazzling passing, (just recently that behind the back pass to penny in the bucks game)
this guy gets hurt and you guys start thinking that he might not be all we make him out to be. you guys doubt your own judgment like little kids do on tests.
have some faith in your gut feeling. this guy sees the floor really well when he's in the game. he picks his spots to shot and always looks for the open man and virtually 100% of the time finds and open guy. remember that cross court pass in the heat game to van horn for a three. he plays great defense and is a gem on offense. his pass might not lead to an assist but it sure would lead to another pass and a basket. he brings consistency on offense that we hadn't seen with ward, eisly, mark, childs. a penetrater who can finish and find the open man.
btw, moochie isn't even close to being a frank williams. he doesn't see the floor well, remember in a possession in the bulls game where he penetrated and had no where to go, he just chucked in to doleac who wasn't expecting the pass. we hardly see that kind of a bad play from frank. atleast when he charged into somebody, he had in mind what he wanted to do, and just couldn't do it on the particular possession. all moochie did yesterday was pass it to van horn when he came out to the three point line and i give him props for that nice jump shot too. even van horn like williams' precense in the the game. he was raving about him in those 4 games. williams just makes everybody better.
stay off his back. when he becomes a starter for some other team and rips our heart out, then you could say that we didn't know he could do it. i want to see him be traded and become the starter and play 25-35 minutes and prove all of the doubters wrong.

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1/18/2004  9:51 AM
But to think about this guy, he couldnt beat out Eisley or Ward.

Did u not see him start the 3 games b4 his injury, frank looks kinda like shandon to me...mediocre off the bench but great as a starter.
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1/18/2004  10:05 AM
Posted by MaTT4281:
But to think about this guy, he couldnt beat out Eisley or Ward.

Did u not see him start the 3 games b4 his injury, frank looks kinda like shandon to me...mediocre off the bench but great as a starter.
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1/18/2004  10:14 AM
Posted by letitbeheard:

wow, i can't believe you guys. first you say that you love frank frank for the way he plays and the way he runs the team from the pg position. now you say that he might not be that good because the lack of playing time that chaney gave him and lenny is giving him. ah come on. have you even watched him play the whole year? this guy was great. examples, remember the boston game at msg when in the fourth every body was tired, it was frank and guys like othela, doleac, shandon that cut into to that 8 point lead in the fourth, the minnasota game, i hope you remember what he did in that one, the laker game was his coming out party, you should remember the grizzies game, the heat game, the magic game for those three pointers and that sweat dist to ward on the break, there were many more where he contributed significantly.
then he got hurt and the knicks misfortunes began and chaney's demise was inevitable.
did you ever actually really see this guy play in the game consistently for atleast 10-15 games at the starting point position. he was three and 0 in those games and he was the main guy in the grizz game. every time this guy has seen significant minutes,(20-35) he has impressed us as fans and people like marv albert and clyde. they were even starting to compare him to clyde.
did you already forget that nice dazzling passing, (just recently that behind the back pass to penny in the bucks game)
this guy gets hurt and you guys start thinking that he might not be all we make him out to be. you guys doubt your own judgment like little kids do on tests.
have some faith in your gut feeling. this guy sees the floor really well when he's in the game. he picks his spots to shot and always looks for the open man and virtually 100% of the time finds and open guy. remember that cross court pass in the heat game to van horn for a three. he plays great defense and is a gem on offense. his pass might not lead to an assist but it sure would lead to another pass and a basket. he brings consistency on offense that we hadn't seen with ward, eisly, mark, childs. a penetrater who can finish and find the open man.
btw, moochie isn't even close to being a frank williams. he doesn't see the floor well, remember in a possession in the bulls game where he penetrated and had no where to go, he just chucked in to doleac who wasn't expecting the pass. we hardly see that kind of a bad play from frank. atleast when he charged into somebody, he had in mind what he wanted to do, and just couldn't do it on the particular possession. all moochie did yesterday was pass it to van horn when he came out to the three point line and i give him props for that nice jump shot too. even van horn like williams' precense in the the game. he was raving about him in those 4 games. williams just makes everybody better.
stay off his back. when he becomes a starter for some other team and rips our heart out, then you could say that we didn't know he could do it. i want to see him be traded and become the starter and play 25-35 minutes and prove all of the doubters wrong.

i agree with you there man. some people became doubters about frank, all of the sudden
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1/18/2004  10:36 AM
frank is not over rated people. he's is a super-star in the making
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1/18/2004  10:43 AM
I think maybe with Starbury and Moochie, trade gurus may think we have another option.

If we let Frank go.....We should never ever complain about trying to develop youth and lottery picks
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1/18/2004  10:51 AM
The only reason I can think of Frank sitting is the fact that he still might be hurt. No, he will never start with Stephon on the team, but I think he has the ability to become a great player. He was nasty at Illinois and is a really smart player who can get to the hoop almost any time he wants. I was hoping he would turn out to be the player he's becoming when he had no PG. If we didn't have Stephon, I'd have full confidence in him starting at PG.
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1/18/2004  11:36 AM
Posted by realhiphop:

The only reason I can think of Frank sitting is the fact that he still might be hurt. No, he will never start with Stephon on the team, but I think he has the ability to become a great player. He was nasty at Illinois and is a really smart player who can get to the hoop almost any time he wants. I was hoping he would turn out to be the player he's becoming when he had no PG. If we didn't have Stephon, I'd have full confidence in him starting at PG.
good points
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1/18/2004  12:19 PM
I like Frank a lot. He can get into the lane consistently, is a pretty good passer and his shot is developing. On D he has quick hands and can stay with bigger players. He has a lot more to offer than Moochie and I hope Lenny realizes that.

That being said if the right deal comes along it would make sense to move him. D Miles I don't think is the right deal though....
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1/18/2004  12:24 PM
that's what isiah rejected it, cavs wanted othela and frank. isiah didn't want to let go of frank that easy
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1/18/2004  12:41 PM
Frank Williams will probably not be a superstar in this league, but a solid player. Norris better accepts a role of 8-10 minutes a game which is why our point guard rotation is set once we trade Williams. We need to trade Williams now because he has great value. Everyone needs a young, developing point guard. Despite what everyone says, i would gladly accept a Darius Miles deal for Williams because Miles would bring energy, excitement, and a great future talent to come off our bench. I still think he really has the potential to develop into a great player. Also, we need an athletic player to come off the bench and he's one of the best pure athletes in the league.
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1/18/2004  12:42 PM
Where would you play D Miles? PF? SF? SG?
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1/18/2004  12:46 PM
He can play all three but i would have to say mostly SF. We would be pretty big and athletic at both forward spots though when we bring Miles off the bench and bump Van Horn to PF.
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1/18/2004  12:47 PM
dude, just look at his frame, he's a jonathan bender(doesn't get much playing time) a travis knight a wang zui zui
do you really want that on the team you love the most.
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1/18/2004  1:57 PM
Frank Williams IS GETTING THE SHAFT. He showed NYC what he can do with starters minutes. You can continue to show how good you are by not being allowed to play in games. What happen was Zeke had to get booties in the seats , what other NY name would do that and at the same time upgrade the pg position. We are easily fooled in NY by being star struck, if that move was about winning something this yr it would have been for a "FRONTLINE PLAYER" because we already had Frank. If he wasn't any good Thomas would have shipped him out and might still be trying to do that...IMHO there isn't any out there.
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Posted by playa2:

Frank Williams IS GETTING THE SHAFT. He showed NYC what he can do with starters minutes. You can continue to show how good you are by not being allowed to play in games. What happen was Zeke had to get booties in the seats , what other NY name would do that and at the same time upgrade the pg position. We are easily fooled in NY by being star struck, if that move was about winning something this yr it would have been for a "FRONTLINE PLAYER" because we already had Frank. If he wasn't any good Thomas would have shipped him out and might still be trying to do that...IMHO there isn't any out there.
frank williams was just stepping into the starting line-up and right of the bat leading the knicks to a 3-0 record, point-guard change was really unnecessary but dumping howard's salary was. isiah found a taker for him and they found a taker for the old and torn up hardaway. isiah might have given away a lot of the knicks future, but he got a 26 year old point guard. he already had a good point guard but just didn't want to give him a chance.
I also thought the knicks needed a solid front-court player. they could have gotten a good one too for all they gave up. now, we are really having to work hard for that player. having to look at ra-weed, the cba, nbdl.
i just hope that frank finds a good place to play where he's a starter and rips isiah's heart out.
but i'm always optimistic, eventhough i didn't like the trade, i hope the knicks do really weel with steph and start to move in the right direction like they had been in the past
good point though about the frontline player
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