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fishmike
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8/2/2010  4:24 PM
if these guys take a bit to gell fine, but AR/Gallo/Amare has no ceiling for a frontcourt. 3 guys 6'10+ or more with skills.

I think the best way to make players with potential better is to surround them with talent (duh) and having Amare and Felton here really adds a stabalizing presense for Gallo and AR. Those two dont have to do too much. They can lean on the the 5x all star $100mm man a bit.

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8/2/2010  5:50 PM
A lot of question marks but I agree - the talent is there.

I just hope Mike D'Antoni doesn't make the same mistake with Anthony Randolph that Jeff Van Gundy did in 1999 with Marcus Camby. If Randolph proves all of you right and he is a the real deal, D'Antoni must set him free and START him at Center. No need for the "bring him along slowly" bs. Ronny Turiaf is not the answer in the middle. And I doubt Timofey Mozgov is either. I think if we are going to make the Playoffs, we're going to need Randolph to be play like the 2nd or 3rd best Center in the East.

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8/2/2010  5:53 PM
iSergio wrote:A lot of question marks but I agree - the talent is there.

I just hope Mike D'Antoni doesn't make the same mistake with Anthony Randolph that Jeff Van Gundy did in 1999 with Marcus Camby. If Randolph proves all of you right and he is a the real deal, D'Antoni must set him free and START him at Center. No need for the "bring him along slowly" bs. Ronny Turiaf is not the answer in the middle. And I doubt Timofey Mozgov is either. I think if we are going to make the Playoffs, we're going to need Randolph to be play like the 2nd or 3rd best Center in the East.

my hope is that MDA gives Randolph the Gallo and Chandler treatment of last year but not for starting at C; that's Turiaf's area for now. Randolph just isn't strong enough yet.

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8/2/2010  5:56 PM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:A lot of question marks but I agree - the talent is there.

I just hope Mike D'Antoni doesn't make the same mistake with Anthony Randolph that Jeff Van Gundy did in 1999 with Marcus Camby. If Randolph proves all of you right and he is a the real deal, D'Antoni must set him free and START him at Center. No need for the "bring him along slowly" bs. Ronny Turiaf is not the answer in the middle. And I doubt Timofey Mozgov is either. I think if we are going to make the Playoffs, we're going to need Randolph to be play like the 2nd or 3rd best Center in the East.

my hope is that MDA gives Randolph the Gallo and Chandler treatment of last year but not for starting at C; that's Turiaf's area for now. Randolph just isn't strong enough yet.

If Anthony Randolph is going to be a player of the future here, he'll have to bang next to Amar'e Stoudemire eventually. STAT isn't going anywhere. But I don't think STAT would care too much if he was slotted to the 5 to make room for Randolph at 4. I like Ronny Turiaf but he's not a starter on a winning team.

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8/2/2010  5:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/2/2010  5:58 PM
Randolph and Gallo are very talented. The other player I like from the highlights is Turiaf. He gets as excited as anyone when AR makes a good play. Turiaf hustles, is a good team player and positive influence. Even if he comes off of the bench, I like him on this team.
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8/2/2010  5:58 PM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:A lot of question marks but I agree - the talent is there.

I just hope Mike D'Antoni doesn't make the same mistake with Anthony Randolph that Jeff Van Gundy did in 1999 with Marcus Camby. If Randolph proves all of you right and he is a the real deal, D'Antoni must set him free and START him at Center. No need for the "bring him along slowly" bs. Ronny Turiaf is not the answer in the middle. And I doubt Timofey Mozgov is either. I think if we are going to make the Playoffs, we're going to need Randolph to be play like the 2nd or 3rd best Center in the East.

my hope is that MDA gives Randolph the Gallo and Chandler treatment of last year but not for starting at C; that's Turiaf's area for now. Randolph just isn't strong enough yet.

Same here. I think will not start in the beginning but will get a lot of PT. Turiaf will play at most 20 - 25 min a game.

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8/2/2010  5:59 PM
That play where Jamal dished the ball to Turiaf and then touch passed it to AR, at like 3:17 was flat out orgasmic. Basketball at it's absolute finest and purest.
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8/2/2010  7:53 PM
The Knicks haven't been this balanced since the mid 90s.
I would argue that Felton could have a Starks like impact on our team, maybe better.

Amare will never be Ewing, but having him paired up with Anthony Randolph will provide a dynamic that was not really there in the 90s at least on offense.

With so many scorers, & height on this team, I think we have a real shot to become a real force in the League.

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8/2/2010  9:58 PM
fishmike wrote:if these guys take a bit to gell fine, but AR/Gallo/Amare has no ceiling for a frontcourt. 3 guys 6'10+ or more with skills.

I think the best way to make players with potential better is to surround them with talent (duh) and having Amare and Felton here really adds a stabalizing presense for Gallo and AR. Those two dont have to do too much. They can lean on the the 5x all star $100mm man a bit.

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My comment has nothing to do with basketball, and I suppose that I must be bored, but after seeing the title of your thread:
patience is key... this has the makings of a sic sic sic frontcourt
I realized that if you had been quoted in a newspaper, the editor would have printed it as such:

"patience is key... this has the makings of a sic [sic] sic [sic] sic [sic] frontcourt"


Just a thought.

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8/2/2010  11:00 PM
yea, both of these guys along with amare can really form an intersting front line. Both randolph and gallo can do multiple things and can compliment each other well on the floor, and with some patience they can form a sic frontcourt, especially if they reach their potential..
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8/2/2010  11:04 PM
Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs. One of the reasons for his hiring, we were told, is to help FA acquisition. He delivered squat.
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8/3/2010  2:58 AM
Man too many NY fans have let the rotten players of the last two yrs cloud their judgement regarding MDA. This man came here a winner! We had been losers here for YEARS! How many good to great coaches had trouble winning here before him? When do we finally realize that the reason all these coaches struggled was bad GM's and bad rosters. Donnie has set things right and now Mike has a team that he can run with. He needed a PG and Donnie got him the best one he could. He's still trying to get an even better one (CP3). Whether he does or not this is a good roster for Mike. I don't think NY Fans realize how good he is, but they'll see from here on.

Mike has had great success with players like we have in the past. I expect he should do well with this group too.

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8/3/2010  3:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/3/2010  3:33 AM
WindsorPl wrote:Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs....

Put up or shut up and get the hell out of dodge time for

agreed 100000%

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8/3/2010  5:28 AM
TMS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs....

Put up or shut up and get the hell out of dodge time for

agreed 100000%

I've been patient with because he hasn't had the horses. He does now, that's for certain. This is a playoff team. I'd give him the season no matter what but I'd make a change after this year if he doesn't come through

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8/3/2010  6:55 AM
WindsorPl wrote:Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs. One of the reasons for his hiring, we were told, is to help FA acquisition. He delivered squat. Put up or shut up and get the hell out of dodge time for

how is amar'e "squat?"

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8/3/2010  7:53 AM
I absolutely love this frontcourt, to the point where i don't want to make any changes to it regardless of who comes up in trade. I would rather wait til the offseason and take someone like Melo for nothing and start him at SG. But as for this frontcourt, they compliment each other incredibly well with the length and all around skills. Randolph is a perfect center of the future in offense.

Also, does anyone see the similarities between Randolph and Lee that will hopefully help fill his void? Both came into the league as raw players who were left handed and could rebound at a high level and handle the ball for big men in a way that is very unique. We saw Lee develop his mid range game as well as his scoring around the basket, and i think that is the development we will see starting next year from Randolph. The only different is, randolph has a lot more upside because of his length and shot blocking abilities. Besides that, their skill sets are relatively alike. I'm real excited about this frontcourt and how Felton runs the show, hopefully the SG situation can be settled at some point as well.

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8/3/2010  8:05 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs....

Put up or shut up and get the hell out of dodge time for

agreed 100000%

I've been patient with because he hasn't had the horses. He does now, that's for certain. This is a playoff team. I'd give him the season no matter what but I'd make a change after this year if he doesn't come through

Like Windsor said - it could take a year for this team to show that its a play off team.

But the key remains MDA getting his hands dirty and actually working hard, instead of mailing it in.

I think many would agree that there are two different ways for this team to get to lets say 38 wins and just missing the play offs - one where we see development and the beginning formation of a team, and the other where MDA is random with his playing time, bans guys to his bench, consistently watching opposing teams shred us on defense in spite of improved defenders.

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8/3/2010  9:20 AM
Practice

"But the key remains MDA getting his hands dirty and actually working hard, instead of mailing it in."

franco - have you ever attended a Knicks practice?

Just curious

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martin
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8/3/2010  9:53 AM
Marv wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs. One of the reasons for his hiring, we were told, is to help FA acquisition. He delivered squat. Put up or shut up and get the hell out of dodge time for

how is amar'e "squat?"

I would also add Felton to this list.

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8/3/2010  9:58 AM
franco12 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
TMS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:Patience with who?
I will be patient with the players. The current team has potential, it may need a year to reach its full potential.
I will not be patient with the coach if he starts playing mind games with these guys. D'antoni is on the hook if the team does not make the playoffs....

Put up or shut up and get the hell out of dodge time for

agreed 100000%

I've been patient with because he hasn't had the horses. He does now, that's for certain. This is a playoff team. I'd give him the season no matter what but I'd make a change after this year if he doesn't come through

Like Windsor said - it could take a year for this team to show that its a play off team.

But the key remains MDA getting his hands dirty and actually working hard, instead of mailing it in.

I think many would agree that there are two different ways for this team to get to lets say 38 wins and just missing the play offs - one where we see development and the beginning formation of a team, and the other where MDA is random with his playing time, bans guys to his bench, consistently watching opposing teams shred us on defense in spite of improved defenders.

Under most circumstances I would agree, especially considering the relative youth of the team. That said, fans have been asked to maintain no basketball expectations and to look forward to and debate financial management. The organization owes it to us to accept nothing less short of a winner.

That's the message that needs to be sent to the fan base and these young guys. They're good enough to make the playoffs and they should considering the support they'll get.

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