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BRIGGS
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8/1/2010  11:24 AM
Im not worried about value coming back to me next year--who cares--we got value from D Lee right?


When you look at the bottom line Wilson has been and up and coming player who @ 6-8 225 as a nightly mismatch at 2 guard. He makes the unit big and I think with a good PG that some of his inconsistencies(although he shot a rather stout 48%)will be put to bed. Id rather keep him and start him--there is NO rush to move him. I want to see the club go like gallo amare chandler ar felton for 40 games before we make decisions

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8/1/2010  11:28 AM
i agree. unless it's a no-brainer deal where we clearly get a coveted player that we'd be foolish to turn down. outside of that let's give the mayor a chance.
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8/1/2010  11:51 AM
+1 Save the Mayor!
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8/1/2010  12:07 PM
I strenuously disagree with your logic.

"Who cares, we got value from David Lee right?"

The capital of the team is really important. Having assets that other teams want, may very well be the key as to whether or not we can close a deal for our next max contract. Diminishing our assets, by playing Chandler and then having to give him away next summer, is not the right way to play it. We need to trade in our pieces before their value disappears. When the Mayor is available next year, and particularly if he plays well this season, we will definitely not be able to afford Wilson, along with our new max contract.
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8/1/2010  12:11 PM
Wilson Chandler is worth keeping but if the Knicks can upgrade the roster they should trade him. Dude is gonna be a free agent next summer....Knicks aren't resigning him with Gallo and Randolph under contract. The money Offered to Shannon Brown is 2-3 mil per. That's cheap for a potential starter. Again if the upgrade is worth it Chandler should be shipped
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8/1/2010  12:13 PM
rvwink wrote:I strenuously disagree with your logic.

"Who cares, we got value from David Lee right?"

The capital of the team is really important. Having assets that other teams want, may very well be the key as to whether or not we can close a deal for our next max contract. Diminishing our assets, by playing Chandler and then having to give him away next summer, is not the right way to play it. We need to trade in our pieces before their value disappears. When the Mayor is available next year, and particularly if he plays well this season, we will definitely not be able to afford Wilson, along with our new max contract.

if he does indeed play well, i'd rather retain the option of resigning him and using the rest of the space for a non-max FA plus a young prospect. many of the max-FA's are often not worth the max in the long run.
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8/1/2010  12:20 PM
rvwink wrote:I strenuously disagree with your logic.

"Who cares, we got value from David Lee right?"

The capital of the team is really important. Having assets that other teams want, may very well be the key as to whether or not we can close a deal for our next max contract. Diminishing our assets, by playing Chandler and then having to give him away next summer, is not the right way to play it. We need to trade in our pieces before their value disappears. When the Mayor is available next year, and particularly if he plays well this season, we will definitely not be able to afford Wilson, along with our new max contract.

What if Wilson Chandler avg 18/20-5-5 and shoots 49% and we win 57 games--exactly why would we need to have a max contract open? I think other teams have proven you can get there without giving away 90 draft picks your lottery pick from last year 6 years before it happens. Lets let Wilson see if he can go up another notch with a good PG another year of physical maturity and a lot of space on the court.

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8/1/2010  12:29 PM
Agreed BRIGGS.

Chandler was killing us early last season with his shooting but after awhile, it looked like he got his legs back (he was coming off major injury of course) and was a much different player.

In the 2nd half of the season, he was getting to the hoop almost at will (pun intended) and getting easy baskets. Really looked like he turned a corner so want to see a bit more of him before we consider trading him (unless we're talking Paul or Melo).

Plus, it looks like he put in some nice work in the gym and would love to see him bully other shooting guards with his physique.

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8/1/2010  12:33 PM
Total agreement here. Mayor is used for trade only if it brings a top flight player.
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8/1/2010  12:38 PM
I agree. While I would explore possibilities to get real good value in return for Wilson Chandler, the way we did for Lee, I would say stick with him otherwise. He's a valueable player to have, and if we can't get Carmello, we still have a very good player in Wilson in our back pockets.

He's no star though.

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8/1/2010  12:38 PM
good points briggs.. I agree
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8/1/2010  12:51 PM
Wilson Chandler ended last season 22 years old. If My memory serves me right--Joe Johnson had very mediocre numbers(nothing like WC) his first three years before taking off a bit when Mike D got there.
He's got more lead guard skills but that doesn't matter--Wilson still has the skills to be a 18/20-6-4- player--so lets see where he goes before giving up on him--a very poor Knick trait
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8/1/2010  12:51 PM
Amazing that one of the few bright spots on the team would be shipped away for pie in the sky. Rudy, being the tempermental player he has shown to be, does not match Chandler'soutput. Not on defense, not in rebounding,and is a toss up offensively. After being jerked around by another super star's supposed love affair with New York, I am now taking the "believe it when I see it attitude". Let's let our homegrown project continue to grow, at home.
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8/1/2010  12:52 PM
Briggs, I think Donnie is very patient and is thinking the way you are. We are in a position of strength with all our players right now(except Eddie Curry)and there is no need to rush to trade anyone. If teams want players on our roster they will have to come with something that we need. Donnie has been very patient his entire career and I don't see any of that changing now.
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8/1/2010  1:01 PM
Sangfroid wrote:Amazing that one of the few bright spots on the team would be shipped away for pie in the sky. Rudy, being the tempermental player he has shown to be, does not match Chandler'soutput. Not on defense, not in rebounding,and is a toss up offensively. After being jerked around by another super star's supposed love affair with New York, I am now taking the "believe it when I see it attitude". Let's let our homegrown project continue to grow, at home.

I'm concerned--all of this talk with Shannon brown with a contract Rudy F etc... the teavleaves are starting to paint a different picture of what our 2G will look like

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8/1/2010  1:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/1/2010  1:14 PM
I think Rudy gets a bad rap here. He had a very strong rookie year and his 3 point shooting dropped off a little last season, but he's still a good role player.

I think he would fit D'Antoni's system nicely and would be a welcome addition. I wouldn't trade Chandler for him right now but I don't think that means Rudy is a bad player like some are making him out to be. He could be a very valuable rotation guy, especially if he's leading the league in 3's on 40% from beyond the arc, like he did his rookie year.

Ideally, I'd like having both Chandler and Rudy.

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8/1/2010  1:52 PM
I remember reading a report coming out earlier in the summer that stated Fernandez was headed back to Europe because he did not like his role on the Blazers playing behind Roy.
The blazers can go F themselves if they think they should get anything more than a 2nd rounder from us in exchange for someone who will not play for them either way.
Screw the Blazers. If they think they can get Rudy to agree to a sign & trade somewhere else for something better, let them.
At this point I would'nt even given them Landry Fields for him.
They think he's so valuable let them deal with his situation by giving him big money.

Fernandez is not even %30 of the player Wilson Chandler is.
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8/1/2010  4:12 PM
he will be traded
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8/1/2010  6:34 PM
TMS wrote:he will be traded

Yes, I think Briggs is right that all these contract talks with shannon Brown and then trade speculation means that sooner or later he will be one. I wish it wasn't so, would love to see him at least get in one full year with this roster and w/o injury issues.

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8/1/2010  7:09 PM
Has anyone considered that the Knicks have a limited list of the players that they can afford to keep, so that they can add the second max signing to their roster? With Amare, AR, Felton and Gallinari, for starters, how can their be room for Wilson Chandler's next contract as well? If we can't keep Wilson past this year, why wouldn't it make sense to trade him for someone that could be a starting shooting for the Knicks, rather than someone whose abilities duplicate an area of strength for the Knicks?
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