[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Article on Paul's Knee Surgery
Author Thread
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/24/2010  2:46 PM
1 Votes

The human knee is quite possibly the most important part of the body in any form of physical athletics. Notice how I said physical, as poker is not a sport, regardless of whether it is on ESPN or not. Football, basektball, and soccer may be the three most demanding sports on the knee.

When you think about it, the elements and function of the knee are quite amazing: four bones operating together within an area of tendons, ligaments and cartilage.

However, think about how many high-profile athletes that have either had their careers shortened by knee injuries, or suffered a severe, or somewhat-severe knee injury and just weren’t the same player since.

Penny Hardaway comes to mind. Chris Webber as well. Even Gale Sayers.

All three had knee issues in their career, and saw their careers spiral downwards as a direct result.

Recently in the NBA we’ve seen leading assist-man and best point guard in the league Chris Paul, sustain a knee injury that could potentially put him on a path similar to Penny or C-Web later in his career.

While he is under the age of 25, the injury still leaves reason to be concerned for future effects.


Surgery removed torn meniscus

The six-foot Paul of the New Orleans Hornets is expected to miss 6-8 weeks after his Feb. 4 successful arthroscopic surgery on his left knee by the infamous Dr. James Andrews. However Andrews removed the torn meniscus, he did not repair it. This is not as serious as the dreaded micro-fracture surgery, but there is a possibility that this could lead to more knee surgery just a few years down the road.

The meniscus plays a key part in helping the knee function. The meniscus is a pad of cartilage that acts like a shock absorber, absorbing the knee. The meniscus is also vital for knee stability. When the meniscus is damaged or is surgically removed, the knee-joint can become loose, or unstable. Without the protection and stability of a healthy meniscus, the surfaces of the knee would be bone-on-bone, essentially the same problem that leads to micro fracture surgery.

Paul’s game is heavily reliant on his quickness and explosiveness — beating his opponent with his first step. Paul will most likely have to alter his game a bit after the surgery, and while he still be able to ball against several st players in the league, he will lose some explosiveness due to the surgery(ies)

There are two menisci in each knee however Paul now only has one in his left knee, creating a partial bone-on-bone grinding situation in the knee. Paul may very well fully recover this year, and may not feel the effects for a few years.

Chris Paul may lose some of his explosiveness due to a meniscectomy, and partial bone-on-bone wear on the joint. (AP Photo/Danny Moloshok, File)
I’m not suggesting that Paul will become a below-average player. However, with bone-on-bone in the knee, surgery could indeed be needed again at some point, only this time Paul is not going to be 24.

Micro fracture surgery is a possible combatant for high-shock bone-on-bone scenarios in athletes, as the procedure involves digging microscopic holes in the bone, prompting blood flow and the stimulation of bone marrow. This leads to the growth of fibrous cartilage, which is the shock absorbing cartilage present in menisci.

Not only will Paul be playing without part of his meniscus in his left knee (therefore over-stressing the remaining portions) but he could possibly undergo micro-fracture surgery down the road to help in the creation of cartilage in the knee.

Paul will have to change his game a bit, to more of a set jump-shot instead of dribble-penetration, and creating offense from sheer athleticism.

Paul is easily one of my favorite players in all of the NBA, and it’s possible he makes a full recovery. However, with the importance of the knee in professional basketball and the style of game that Paul plays, the injury he suffered back on Jan. 29 could end up hindering his performance and career to somewhat of a significance beyond just this season as he attempts his comeback.

However, great players are able to find ways to adjust and make it work.

And make no mistake about it, Chris Paul is great.


http://richiez23.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/

I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
AUTOADVERT
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
7/24/2010  2:51 PM
With this information I say pass on Paul. I don't care how great he is the thought of Micro fracture in his near future means trouble for any team that ends up with him.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/24/2010  3:17 PM
I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
7/24/2010  3:23 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/24/2010  4:00 PM
I'd still take him if we were giving up very little. I'd take back Okafor if they through in an unprotected 1st round pick but they probably won't do that. I'm convinced the people salivating over Paul know nothing about his injury though.
scoshin
Posts: 20584
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/23/2004
Member: #568
7/24/2010  4:04 PM
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

foosballnick
Posts: 21534
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/17/2010
Member: #3148

7/24/2010  4:10 PM
Don't know who Richie from Wordpress is - but the artical is misleading. In Arthroscopic Knee Surgery they don't generally remove the entire meniscus - they remove the portion that is damaged and leave the remainder. This leaves behind padding within the knee joint. If they had for instance removed the either the entire Medial or Lateral Meniscus on Paul - all of the padding in the associated knee joint would be gone and he would then require micro-fracture. During Arthroscopy - they also can shave down the bone to help guard against future tears/pain. Does this mean that Paul's knee is less stabile? Most likely. Does it mean he will need micro-fracture.....that remains to be seen. Most athletes after Athroscopy on Cartlidge wear a flexible compression brace at the minimum to help stabilize the knee.
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
7/24/2010  4:15 PM
scoshin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

His meniscus was removed in one knee. That is why the article talks about the possibility that it will lead to microfracture surgery.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
Allanfan20
Posts: 35947
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
7/24/2010  4:19 PM
He's only 25. He already has miles on his legs. He has a removed meniscus. That's bound for serious microfracture surgery. Jason Kidd did alright with it, but he declined very quickly as well, and instantly became a major liability on defense. Amare did well so far. Zach Randolph is OK with it, but he does not rely on athleticism at all.

The rest? Penny, CWebb, Allan Houston. The list goes on I believe.

If you're a guard, it's the beginning of the end if you get it. I pass on Chris Paul.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
foosballnick
Posts: 21534
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/17/2010
Member: #3148

7/24/2010  4:30 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

His meniscus was removed in one knee. That is why the article talks about the possibility that it will lead to microfracture surgery.

Let me go over this one more time. Chris Paul had surgery to REPAIR torn meniscal cartilige.....NOT replace. IF the meniscus was REPLACED in one knee....Chris Paul would not be able to walk correctly and without pain, let alone play Professional Basketball. If Paul's Meniscus was removed entirely - he WOULD have had Microfracture Surgery. Linking a BLOG post from wordpress and running with it as if it was fact is never a good thing.

Allanfan20
Posts: 35947
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
7/24/2010  4:34 PM
foosballnick wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

His meniscus was removed in one knee. That is why the article talks about the possibility that it will lead to microfracture surgery.

Let me go over this one more time. Chris Paul had surgery to REPAIR torn meniscal cartilige.....NOT replace. IF the meniscus was REPLACED in one knee....Chris Paul would not be able to walk correctly and without pain, let alone play Professional Basketball. If Paul's Meniscus was removed entirely - he WOULD have had Microfracture Surgery. Linking a BLOG post from wordpress and running with it as if it was fact is never a good thing.

Link?

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
7/24/2010  4:47 PM
foosballnick wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

His meniscus was removed in one knee. That is why the article talks about the possibility that it will lead to microfracture surgery.

Let me go over this one more time. Chris Paul had surgery to REPAIR torn meniscal cartilige.....NOT replace. IF the meniscus was REPLACED in one knee....Chris Paul would not be able to walk correctly and without pain, let alone play Professional Basketball. If Paul's Meniscus was removed entirely - he WOULD have had Microfracture Surgery. Linking a BLOG post from wordpress and running with it as if it was fact is never a good thing.

I also think that it was a torn meniscus and they cut out the torn portion of the meniscus that is usually done in arthroscopic surgery. At the same time the writer mentions the removal of the meniscus so we have no idea which one it is, regardless if it was the removal of the entire Meniscus there is a good chance Paul doesn't return to finish the season off. This leads me to believe that he had a tear in the meniscus and it was remove by arthroscopic surgery. But until fact are known which one it is I have to pass on Paul at this moment in time.

JimboJones
Posts: 20012
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/21/2005
Member: #898
7/24/2010  5:00 PM
Good job, fellas. Coming around. Most of you disagreed when I wrote yesterday that the Knicks would be better off waiting until in the season to make a move for him, if at all. I'm in Camp Carmelo. If before November, 'Melo declines the extension and makes a stink, I'd pursue him instead of Paul.
Olbrannon
Posts: 21913
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 10/2/2009
Member: #2919
USA
7/24/2010  5:16 PM
foosballnick wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

His meniscus was removed in one knee. That is why the article talks about the possibility that it will lead to microfracture surgery.

Let me go over this one more time. Chris Paul had surgery to REPAIR torn meniscal cartilige.....NOT replace. IF the meniscus was REPLACED in one knee....Chris Paul would not be able to walk correctly and without pain, let alone play Professional Basketball. If Paul's Meniscus was removed entirely - he WOULD have had Microfracture Surgery. Linking a BLOG post from wordpress and running with it as if it was fact is never a good thing.

There was no repair it was a removal as reported here ...however it does not say how large the tissue was in the link.

Removal usually has the athlete on the floor much sooner than Paul made it back. Repairs are reported to take longer.

The math adds up for me.

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
umynot
Posts: 21465
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/4/2008
Member: #2093
USA
7/24/2010  5:19 PM
I had same surgery and walked out of hospital same day

no crutches

KNICKS on the way UP!!!
foosballnick
Posts: 21534
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/17/2010
Member: #3148

7/24/2010  6:08 PM
Olbrannon - your link says they removed a "PORTION" not the entire meniscus. That is what I typed above and is how Orthopods REPAIR a mensiscus tear. They cut the tear part out and reshape the remaining meniscal cartilidge, they shave the associated bone if there are rough edges to help prevent longer term arthritis. The knee can be braced during activities such as running, playing sports etc, although this is not necessary, it is most likely advised for an NBA player to help prevent further damage.

Not only have I had the surgery, my brother in law is an orthopedic surgeon and I confirmed this with him. This is consistent with other links I have read such as http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/chris_paul_has_successful_surg_2010_02_04.html. This is a common surgery ...people in this thread are blowing this way out of proportion....sheesh.


As the Hornets prepare to play their 19th consecutive game without him - and the 27th overall this season - Paul remains sidelined as a result of Feb. 4 arthroscopic surgery to remove the torn portion of the meniscus cartilage in his left knee, a convalescence originally termed to last four to six weeks.
Olbrannon
Posts: 21913
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 10/2/2009
Member: #2919
USA
7/24/2010  6:10 PM
foosballnick wrote:Olbrannon - your link says they removed a "PORTION" not the entire meniscus. That is what I typed above and is how Orthopods REPAIR a mensiscus tear. They cut the tear part out and reshape the remaining meniscal cartilidge, they shave the associated bone if there are rough edges to help prevent longer term arthritis. The knee can be braced during activities such as running, playing sports etc, although this is not necessary, it is most likely advised for an NBA player to help prevent further damage.

Not only have I had the surgery, my brother in law is an orthopedic surgeon and I confirmed this with him. This is consistent with other links I have read such as http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/chris_paul_has_successful_surg_2010_02_04.html. This is a common surgery ...people in this thread are blowing this way out of proportion....sheesh.


As the Hornets prepare to play their 19th consecutive game without him - and the 27th overall this season - Paul remains sidelined as a result of Feb. 4 arthroscopic surgery to remove the torn portion of the meniscus cartilage in his left knee, a convalescence originally termed to last four to six weeks.

And again it never says how much tissue was removed ...you said repaired. Wrong

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
foosballnick
Posts: 21534
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/17/2010
Member: #3148

7/24/2010  6:15 PM
foosballnick wrote:Don't know who Richie from Wordpress is - but the artical is misleading. In Arthroscopic Knee Surgery they don't generally remove the entire meniscus - they remove the portion that is damaged and leave the remainder. This leaves behind padding within the knee joint. If they had for instance removed the either the entire Medial or Lateral Meniscus on Paul - all of the padding in the associated knee joint would be gone and he would then require micro-fracture. During Arthroscopy - they also can shave down the bone to help guard against future tears/pain. Does this mean that Paul's knee is less stabile? Most likely. Does it mean he will need micro-fracture.....that remains to be seen. Most athletes after Athroscopy on Cartlidge wear a flexible compression brace at the minimum to help stabilize the knee.


I guess reading is not your thing. Further - I know this will be difficult for you - but if you bothered to read my link...they use the term REPAIR. LOL

Olbrannon
Posts: 21913
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 10/2/2009
Member: #2919
USA
7/24/2010  6:22 PM
foosballnick wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
scoshin wrote:
Vmart wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:I am hoping that some of the people on the forum that are doctors or have had knee surgeries will give feedback on this. I remember learning a lot when McGrady was signed.

Don't forget H20, Penny. Zach and Amare are the rare few that made it through Microfracture surgery. There is no way the Knicks should think about getting Paul. I'm a big fan of his but I'll pass. I think Felton will suffice.

Chris Paul had a torn meniscus, not an ACL tear. He didn't get microfracture surgery.

My brother also tells me that people, and athletes, can recover 100% from meniscus removal surgery. They may have an earlier onset of arthritis, but Chris Paul is 24 years old here. Moreover, most procedures will replace the removed meniscus with new cartilage to absorb shock, so I highly doubt doctors are letting Paul's knees hit bone to bone as this article suggests.

Even if Paul does slow down at 30, like Jason Kidd, I'd much rather get him now and get a good 5 years out of him with Amare.

His meniscus was removed in one knee. That is why the article talks about the possibility that it will lead to microfracture surgery.

Let me go over this one more time. Chris Paul had surgery to REPAIR torn meniscal cartilige.....NOT replace. IF the meniscus was REPLACED in one knee....Chris Paul would not be able to walk correctly and without pain, let alone play Professional Basketball. If Paul's Meniscus was removed entirely - he WOULD have had Microfracture Surgery. Linking a BLOG post from wordpress and running with it as if it was fact is never a good thing.

It's OK obviously memory is not your thing

Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
foosballnick
Posts: 21534
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/17/2010
Member: #3148

7/24/2010  6:44 PM
Ummmmm....am I missing something? Yes I used the term Repair several times. In athroscopic surgery ....REPAIR = CUT OUT A PORTION. Is that so hard for you to understand? Do you continue to believe that his entire Meniscus was removed? Are you that thick? Even though several people on this thread have stated that they've had the surgery? Even though your own Link uses the term PORTION?

As the Hornets prepare to play their 19th consecutive game without him - and the 27th overall this season - Paul remains sidelined as a result of Feb. 4 arthroscopic surgery to remove the torn portion of the meniscus cartilage in his left knee, a convalescence originally termed to last four to six weeks.

Here's another link that uses http://REPAIR..http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/chris_paul_has_successful_surg_2010_02_04.html

How bout this one on "Mensical Repair" for Paul
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4888073

If you want - you can read up on Meniscal REPAIR here.
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/meniscusinjuries1/a/meniscusrepair.htm

But I guess you don't need to since you know more then everyone on the entire planet.

Article on Paul's Knee Surgery

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy