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Forget this Chris Paul crap--how do we enhance the bench--that would be my goal
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7/23/2010  6:42 PM
I believe in this team--I believe it can win--Im willing to bring on cap right now---a lot for the right player or just a little to keep the flexibility there.

Quite honestly I am open to going for it. I think we have the right youth in place for the core{- the bob move for Whiteside which was a killer} we went out and spent a lot of money on Stoudemire and felton----this is go time. We did the last two years of rebuilding. I like the top 6 and I think with a strong tweak we are right in it at the top 4 with the right move 50+ wins and then just get stronger as the guys mature.

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7/23/2010  6:46 PM
I really really want to agree with you, BUT I really want to keep the door open for Carmelo

I know we have been through this with Lebron, and were disappointed, but I really believe Melo WANTS to be here.

As much as we enhance the bench, we can't beat the Heat, so why not go for Melo?

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7/23/2010  6:55 PM
Nyballa561 wrote:I really really want to agree with you, BUT I really want to keep the door open for Carmelo

I know we have been through this with Lebron, and were disappointed, but I really believe Melo WANTS to be here.

As much as we enhance the bench, we can't beat the Heat, so why not go for Melo?

Im a patient man. bUt the reality si there haev been teams in the NBA that had Jerry West Wilt C and Oscar O in the same team and they never won crap. I dont know if Carmelo is a fit with what we haev here anyway. You are simply looking at the player and not how it fits. On top of it--FCK wasting another season.

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7/23/2010  7:05 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  7:06 PM
i think if we are working with what we have we need to enhance the SG and C positions, unless AR can play C.

we need something more dynamic in the backcourt. i like Felton, but if we could compliment him with someone, that would be good.

i understand why people want chris paul, but the price is just too high. i would focus on upgrading SG and maybe try to add Tony Parker or Melo with cap space next summer.

I actually think our bench is totally fine - Toney, AR, Wilson Chandler, Walker, Mozgov. i would add one more shooter (eddie house?) but i think SG is the big hole and potentially center. we could use a backup big man with some experience - kurt thomas would have been nice.

too bad we missed out on raja bell - i hear he went to utah??

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7/23/2010  7:05 PM
I believe it prudent to wait until December 15 and evaluate what we have. We may know what Carmelo has chosen to do by then. We may have seen several guys increase in value like Chandler, Randolph... even Curry's value could see a bump. Why make a move now?
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7/23/2010  7:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2010  7:07 PM
kam77 wrote:I believe it prudent to wait until December 15 and evaluate what we have. We may know what Carmelo has chosen to do by then. We may have seen several guys increase in value like Chandler, Randolph... even Curry's value could see a bump. Why make a move now?

i agree completely with this.

(except i do not believe curry will ever see a bump in value... dude is a lost cause and has been since zeke left.)

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7/23/2010  8:00 PM
crzymdups wrote:
kam77 wrote:I believe it prudent to wait until December 15 and evaluate what we have. We may know what Carmelo has chosen to do by then. We may have seen several guys increase in value like Chandler, Randolph... even Curry's value could see a bump. Why make a move now?

i agree completely with this.

(except i do not believe curry will ever see a bump in value... dude is a lost cause and has been since zeke left.)

i agree. wait til 12/15 at a minimum. i understand why fans lust after superstars, but i hope that our front office does not. i think the group that walsh has put together has a lot of potential. let's see what it can do.

is the difference between chris paul and ray felton so glaring that we absolutely must jump at giving up one maybe two versatile near-7-footers? i don't think so. i think felton + gallinari > chris paul. same with felton + randolph.

i wanna see teams deal with 3 versatile frontcourt players like amar'e, gallinari and randolph. that's a very unique combo of power, shooting, energy, smarts and versatility. felton has never had a chance to mesh with these types of talents. he's never teamed with a frontcourt player with as much talent as amare and he's never had a coach who could max his potential like MDA.

the last thing i wanna see is the knicks go from amazing versatility, depth, youth and future cap flexibility to cap strapped and one injury away from the lottery.

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7/23/2010  8:04 PM
Sign Rashad Mccants to a 10 day contract once the season starts. If he is a problem in the locker room or disrupts chemistry, cut him.
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7/23/2010  8:22 PM
Ray15 wrote:Sign Rashad Mccants to a 10 day contract once the season starts. If he is a problem in the locker room or disrupts chemistry, cut him.

not a bad idea at all. especially since he was felton's college running mate.

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7/23/2010  8:39 PM
I believe this team can WIN and be a very good team..

But the question is can it become a CHAMPIONSHIP team???

The main problem is, Randolph and Gallo could be all stars.. but by the time they hit their prime, Amare will be on the decline. The Amare deal forced us to try and win NOW... Bet on who can step up sooner, Gallo or Randolph.. trade the other for a star so we can take a run at THE CHAMPIONSHIP cuz that is what we want isn't it??

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7/23/2010  10:53 PM
I want CP3 as a KNick but not if we have to take on Okafor. I don't want to give up Chandler, Gallo and AR. Curry, Azubuike, Douglas and couple of second round picks would have to suffice for CP3. If they say no to that then good luck to them as I can live with this current team.
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7/23/2010  11:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Nyballa561 wrote:I really really want to agree with you, BUT I really want to keep the door open for Carmelo

I know we have been through this with Lebron, and were disappointed, but I really believe Melo WANTS to be here.

As much as we enhance the bench, we can't beat the Heat, so why not go for Melo?

Im a patient man. bUt the reality si there haev been teams in the NBA that had Jerry West Wilt C and Oscar O in the same team and they never won crap. I dont know if Carmelo is a fit with what we haev here anyway. You are simply looking at the player and not how it fits. On top of it--FCK wasting another season.

melo is a superstar that can fit in anywhere he wants. if he doesnt sign the extension, then we know his answer and he is worth the wait. however, that doesnt mean we shouldnt be competitive which i think thsi team is. i am curious to see waht the hoopla with ar. he BETTER be impressive or its another case of knick fans overexagerrating like mardy collins, frankie williams, monty williams and the list goes on.

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7/23/2010  11:40 PM
Ray15 wrote:Sign Rashad Mccants to a 10 day contract once the season starts. If he is a problem in the locker room or disrupts chemistry, cut him.

I think something is up with McCants. He was supposed to play on Cleveland's Summer League team and didn't get a minute. He maybe done. I think the issue was with him (not health related) but I am not positive. He is out there and would be a good pick up. I also think the Knicks should take a run at Stackhouse. He is the type of lockerroom presence that D'Antoni needs. I wish they had resigned Kurt.
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7/24/2010  12:45 AM
crzymdups wrote:
kam77 wrote:I believe it prudent to wait until December 15 and evaluate what we have. We may know what Carmelo has chosen to do by then. We may have seen several guys increase in value like Chandler, Randolph... even Curry's value could see a bump. Why make a move now?

i agree completely with this.

(except i do not believe curry will ever see a bump in value... dude is a lost cause and has been since zeke left.)


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7/24/2010  12:57 AM
I like the group we have- a good mix of youth and younger vets. Lets see if MDA can do some magic with Felton and Amare. I'm really looking forward to having Gallo and AR on the same team. If Gallo takes the next step in his growth, and Randolph can find a comfort zone as a player, we have a great pair of young players to look forward to for the next 10 years.

I would like to have a classic quick release SG, but if Chandler progresses and Azubuike heals, we have two pretty good/tough players at the 2, who can also play the 2 if we want to bring in Douglas at the 2 and go small.

I see a lot of flexibility on this team, with many potential lineups for MDA to play around with based on chemistry and game circumstances. One of the first times in recent years that I am looking forward to watching the team play, instead of having to root for certain players because of a dysfunctional team.

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7/24/2010  1:40 AM
here is the essential difference between Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony... 1 of them needs the ball in his hands all the time & he likes to launch up shots at will... the other likes the ball in his hands so he can get his teammates involved in the offense... IMO CP3 is the clearcut choice to pair up with Amare, not Melo.
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7/24/2010  2:32 AM
Agree with Paul >>> Melo. Melo is an absolute black hole on offense. On a good team I think he can be a good 3rd option. The offense completely stops with him, but sometimes you just need that kind of player in certain situations (see Harrington, Nate Robinson, etc).
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7/24/2010  2:50 AM
knickstorrents wrote:Agree with Paul >>> Melo. Melo is an absolute black hole on offense. On a good team I think he can be a good 3rd option. The offense completely stops with him, but sometimes you just need that kind of player in certain situations (see Harrington, Nate Robinson, etc).

You can't be serious with comparing Melo to Harrington and Nate.

The offense may completely stop because he's going to put the ball in the hole. "On a good team he can be a third option." Hello, Denver is a good team and he is their clear cut first option.

If you don't like him, that's great. But make better comparisons at least.

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7/24/2010  3:08 AM
I agree with the people who said don't make any moves for a few months- we have too many uncertainties at the moment to make the best decisions. Before we can tweak the team, we need to see how it functions first- we need to know roughly how Mosgov performs (is he ready to contribute anything), and whether AR can play the C for a few mins, and how recovered Turiaf is before we can decide how much the centre spot needs improving. We also need to see how Bill Walker plays with his new weight- will he keep his shooting touch? Become more explosive? I think his 3 point shooting is going to drop off- he even said in an interview that he wants to do that less and focus more on driving to the basket. We need to see Felton and Azubuike (has he recovered from his injury or has he lost his explosiveness- can he actually shoot) in action, and what if any improvements our young players have made too.

It's too early to enhance the bench, I think

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7/24/2010  9:01 AM
TMS wrote:here is the essential difference between Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony... 1 of them needs the ball in his hands all the time & he likes to launch up shots at will... the other likes the ball in his hands so he can get his teammates involved in the offense... IMO CP3 is the clearcut choice to pair up with Amare, not Melo.

I disagree. When you already have a PG who is very good and has a shot at PERHAPS fighting for an all star spot under D'Antoni, and then you have a glaring need for a go to guy on the wing, you don't try to improve what doesn't need to be improved. You go for that wing player, who can also play a little pick and roll, and doesn't HAVE to be the go to player at every single point, because we have low post scoring AND a PG who can do things with the ball. That makes Melo that much deadlier.

Felton, Melo, AR, Amare and Gallo are sooooooooooooooooooooo much better than a meniscusless CP3 and Amare and just one of Gallo or AR, or neither!

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Forget this Chris Paul crap--how do we enhance the bench--that would be my goal

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