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Knickss208
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7/19/2010  4:23 PM
I have to say, I am excited to see the new look Knicks on the court. So I cant help reading all the articles around about the knicks and how the pieces will fit together. However, one part I am having a real hard time with, is seeing the disrespect that Chandler is getting as being the starting shooting guard. People keep saying that spot is up for grabs and Azubukie is probably going to be the next starting shooting guard.

I know Chandler seemed to disappear at times, and maybe he is too quiet for his own good. But like it or not he is one of our better defenders, can slash to the hoop and has a great jump shot. They relied too heavily on him before, now he can be a piece of the puzzle, but I still see him as a very big piece.

Have we lost our love for Chandler already?
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7/19/2010  4:34 PM
Azabuike's only a stopgap filler just like Al Harrington & Chris Duhon were... don't expect him to be the longterm solution at SG... Wilson is probably trade bait now that they drafted Landry Fields who can fill his role at a cheaper cost over the next couple seasons... hopefully we get back some useful asset for the future by trading him & not just to clear cap space.
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7/19/2010  4:37 PM
Yea, but Carmelo isnt necessarily coming to the knicks next year. He is a talent we have groomed. I think Chandler can be a real star and will really show it this year. I know he isnt as much as a main option with Amare and Felton around, but I think he is the key to our success and for our future.
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7/19/2010  4:39 PM
Ive always maintained that I didn't think Chandler had what it takes to improve anymore that what he is now. He's not a bad player but he is a role player and should be a spot starter. Dude is just not aggressive enough. I don't think he believes in himself enough to be any better than he is. He's a ball stopper as well meaning he often gets stuck and will take contested shots when he should move the ball. He also takes half the season to get comfortable. Then when he gets his grove he gets hurt. Can't say I will shed tears if he's traded. I just hope can get it together....its his contract year
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7/19/2010  4:41 PM
Hopefully we can get Mayo or another shooter who can play either guard position. Problem is Randolph and Gallo will need to be paid in summer 2012.
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7/19/2010  4:46 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Hopefully we can get Mayo or another shooter who can play either guard position. Problem is Randolph and Gallo will need to be paid in summer 2012.

Wilson gets paid next off season....so does Buike for that matter

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7/19/2010  4:47 PM
Knickss208 wrote:Yea, but Carmelo isnt necessarily coming to the knicks next year. He is a talent we have groomed. I think Chandler can be a real star and will really show it this year. I know he isnt as much as a main option with Amare and Felton around, but I think he is the key to our success and for our future.

How come the "you are what you are after 3 years" rule doesn't apply to Chandler? I like Chandler, but I cannot see him taking any more dramatic steps further in his development. Maybe he will prove me wrong (I hope so), but since he is a restricted free agent after this season (and his cap hold will eliminate any chance of us signing a max fa in the 2011 offseason), I would look to move Chandler for any assets we can get.

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7/19/2010  5:18 PM
Great jump shot? I don't know about that...but he has his occasional great drives. I just don't understand why he doesn't drive more.
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7/19/2010  5:32 PM
Why the non-love for Azu? He is better or equal to Chandler at everything except athleticism and driving to the rim.
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7/19/2010  5:39 PM
If healthy, Azubuike is as good or better than Chandler is at the SG position. Better from distance, and goes to the basket well.

Just hope he has recovered.

I like Chandler, and hope he improves upon last year. I thought that he was smart to cut down on the 3s and look to drive more and use his midrange game. His biggest weakness for us is that he does not help spread the floor because his range is spotty at best.

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7/19/2010  6:09 PM
Knickss208 wrote:Yea, but Carmelo isnt necessarily coming to the knicks next year. He is a talent we have groomed. I think Chandler can be a real star and will really show it this year. I know he isnt as much as a main option with Amare and Felton around, but I think he is the key to our success and for our future.

A. I think the term "star" gets thrown around WAY to loosely these days and B. I love Wilson Chandler and all, but he'll never be a "star". At this point, I think he is what he is...and that's a solid player - most likely coming off the bench on a title contender who can defend, slash, provide athleticsm and nail the mid range J when he's in a groove.
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7/19/2010  8:01 PM
The issue with Azubuike is health. If healthy, he's a fine 2. But we don't know that he is healthy and that he can stay healthy. The thing I like best about Chandler is his versatility. He's effect at the 2, 3 and 4.
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7/19/2010  8:07 PM
kam77 wrote:Why the non-love for Azu? He is better or equal to Chandler at everything except athleticism and driving to the rim.

"Except athleticism and driving to the rim"

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7/19/2010  8:45 PM
Chandler is so much better than Azubuike. Look at their numbers and Chandler out does Azu in every which way you look at it. Chandler is still 23 and getting better. It amazes me how most just throw Chandler under the bus without knowing what he bring to the team. I swear if he did jumping jacks and shouted and pumped his chest after every basket everyone here would love him like John Starks. Stop hating on the man. When switched over to sg position his scoring average went up. He has increased his production every year and last year he didn't even get to participate in off season work out and still increased his average. He has done everything the Knicks have asked him to do with out complaints. If he is asked to guard pfs he does it, sfs he does it and sg he does it the man is a pure basketball player who only wants to take his game to higher level. This year he is primed for a breakout year and here people are complaining about Chandler who by the way was the one of the better shooters on the team. Everyone complains he doesn't shoot the three pointer these are the same people who complain the Knicks shoot to many. Azu is not better than Chandler stop fooling yourself with that one. Azu is a decent player who does not have Chandlers upside.
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7/19/2010  8:59 PM
We all know D'Antoni is going to shake up the roster 20x this season anyway. We'll probably see both of them log significant games starting at the 2. Let's just see who is able to deliver.
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7/19/2010  9:12 PM
Did he say Azubukie?
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7/19/2010  9:51 PM
I don't get why Wilson doesn't get a bit of a pass for his injuries. The guy has shown flashes of being a VERY good player in all three of his years but unfortunately injuries seemed to derail him every time. Now if he's injury prone, fine, he's screwed. But if they were just injuries, let's give the guy a shot. He can defend. He's 6'8". Still 23 years old. From what I recall D'Antoni has nothing but good things to say. So he can't hit 3's. I say get him to keep slashing. Let him run the floor and finish. Wilson Chandler can most certainly finish. I see him even playing a little 3, with Azubuike at the 2 for some of our smaller, faster line ups with Felton, AR and Amare on the floor. The guys is an athlete, has a smooth looking stroke (when not falling away) and is a hard worker. Let's not give up on Wilson Chandler just yet...
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7/19/2010  11:10 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Knickss208 wrote:Yea, but Carmelo isnt necessarily coming to the knicks next year. He is a talent we have groomed. I think Chandler can be a real star and will really show it this year. I know he isnt as much as a main option with Amare and Felton around, but I think he is the key to our success and for our future.

How come the "you are what you are after 3 years" rule doesn't apply to Chandler? I like Chandler, but I cannot see him taking any more dramatic steps further in his development. Maybe he will prove me wrong (I hope so), but since he is a restricted free agent after this season (and his cap hold will eliminate any chance of us signing a max fa in the 2011 offseason), I would look to move Chandler for any assets we can get.

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For 10 years we've been trading players so much that people like Chandler don't have a chance to grow. We need to keep Chandler and this group together. Carmello is now our pipe dream the same way LeBron was. Deep down inside we know Mello ain't coming to New york. Too many players bad mouth us on how we treat our players. If Chandler does get traded i guarentee he will make the allstar team because we don't know talent if it slapped us upside the head.

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7/19/2010  11:11 PM
Bernard30 wrote:I don't get why Wilson doesn't get a bit of a pass for his injuries. The guy has shown flashes of being a VERY good player in all three of his years but unfortunately injuries seemed to derail him every time. Now if he's injury prone, fine, he's screwed. But if they were just injuries, let's give the guy a shot. He can defend. He's 6'8". Still 23 years old. From what I recall D'Antoni has nothing but good things to say. So he can't hit 3's. I say get him to keep slashing. Let him run the floor and finish. Wilson Chandler can most certainly finish. I see him even playing a little 3, with Azubuike at the 2 for some of our smaller, faster line ups with Felton, AR and Amare on the floor. The guys is an athlete, has a smooth looking stroke (when not falling away) and is a hard worker. Let's not give up on Wilson Chandler just yet...

No one will give up on Chandler, i think most just admit the fact that he doesn't have a place on this team, especially with gallo and amare. They are the 3 and 4, amare isn't playing center and gallo isn't playing PF, this is your frontcourt. I also believe this is why Randolph either becomes a center or falls into the same place as Chandler, players who are forwards only, and not SGs or Centers. Chandler is a great young prospect, and is tradable in the right deal.
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7/19/2010  11:16 PM
If Chandler practices the corner 3-pt shot, which is already the shortest 3-pt shot on the court, I think he'd be a much better fit in D'Antoni's rotation. He just needs to practice that one shot over and over. Bruce Bowen had no range when he came into the league, but he practiced that corner 3 constantly so as not to be a liability on the Spurs offense.

That corner is also ideal for Chandler's game, since a lot of times he can also beat his man baseline, or cut to the basket for alley-oops. Nailing that 3-pter with above 35% accuracy is all Chandler needs to be a great wing player in this offense.
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