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a Golden State Warriors fan's perspective on the 3 players we traded for
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7/19/2010  12:31 AM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/420575-to-ny-knicks-fans-prepare-to-lose-your-hair-over-anthony-randolph


New York Knicks Fans: Prepare to Lose Your Hair Over Anthony Randolph
By
Ashwath Krishna
(Contributor) on July 15, 2010


Almost a week ago, after the Man Who Would Be King announced he was heading to Miami to party…sorry, play with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh, the New York Knicks completed a sign-and-trade deal with my beloved Golden State Warriors. The deal netted us David Lee in exchange for Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf, and Kelenna Azubuike.

I’ve already written about the deal from the Warriors' point of view (basically, I love it) but I felt it was my civic duty as a basketball fan, and someone who’s watched all three of these guys grow, to give Knicks fans a heads-up on what they can expect from their new acquisitions.

Ronny Turiaf

Okay, let’s get one thing straight. You are gonna love Turiaf.

He’s an excellent character guy, a great locker room presence, a terrific community outreach bloke…in short, he’s the kind of guy every team needs at least one of. It’s impossible not to love him. In fact, the only part of this deal that saddens me is that we let him go.

On the court, he’s not much on offense, so as long as you don’t expect too much from him on that end, you’ll be fine. Nor is he a great rebounder—this could be a problem, since you traded away one of the best in the league at crashing the boards for two bigs who tend to be inconsistent on that end.

He is a solid, defensive big man who can bang at both ends, protect the rim, and set screens (obviously useful considering you guys have Mike D’Antoni as your coach).

Considering you have Amar'e, I’d guess Turiaf’s offensive limitations are forgivable. He can also run the floor as well as any big man in the league—this is obviously useful since he’s going from the fastest offense in the NBA to the second-fastest (or the other way around).

In short, as long as you don’t expect him to become Patrick Ewing 2.0, you’ll love Ronny Turiaf.

Kelenna Azubuike

I’m not sure how much play you’re going to get out of Buike, because his knees are up caca creek right now and I don’t know when he’s going to be fully fit.

Either way, he’s another solid role-player type you guys will love. He can cover both twos and threes (although he’s a little undersized for SF), shoot threes, play good perimeter D, and really catch fire on offense (just ask George Karl). D’Antoni will surely find room for him in the rotation.

Plus, he’s another good guy who you guys are going to love.

Anthony Randolph

I saved AR for last because obviously I’m gonna spend the most time on him.

Golden State fans were and are bitterly divided over Randolph. Some believe he’s a potential top 10 player, while others believe he’s a bust waiting to happen.

I personally fall into the latter camp for two reasons.

1) He’s a bit of a head case.

2) He has a very low basketball IQ.

The first is easier to rectify; however, I’m not sure if New York is really the place where he can do that.

You guys are tough. No question about it. I remember watching Knicks games last year and hearing you boo your own team. The expectations you guys have even after a pretty lousy decade are high.

Randolph, meanwhile, has shown a willingness to complain publicly about his coach and the fact he feels he wasn’t getting enough playing time.

Now, we all know that Don Nelson is a few sandwiches short of a picnic these days, but however you look at it, a rookie publicly whining about his lack of PT doesn’t look good.

Plus, he’s also shown a tendency to break down and make bad decisions on the court, which ties in to part two—his abysmal basketball IQ.

Randolph is a terrific athlete with good ball handling skills for a big man. However, he often seems to think he’s a shooting guard in a skinny power forward’s body. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve cringed as I’ve seen him try to beat his man one-on-one before launching an ill-advised 15-footer which almost always misses.

On this point, his J has some potential, but he fires up so many bad shots it’s nearly irrelevant. He almost never passes the ball (even when he’s double-teamed) and always looks to play iso-style. Which is all well and good for streetball, but not so much for the NBA.

The worrying thing for you guys is that basketball IQ generally isn’t a skill that you gradually develop. It tends to be there or it isn’t. Randolph doesn’t seem to have much of it.

Please be gentle with him at first. Even though it may sound like I’ve been pretty hard on him, I do think he’s a nice kid who could be great if his skill can ever catch up to his physical abilities.

That said, though, prepare to be very frustrated and give up on him about 17 times every season.

Good luck. I'll be watching closely for sure. And I hope Amar'e posterizes Bosh when the Knicks eventually play the Cold.

always good to hear an opinion from a fan of a team who has first hand knowledge of the players we just traded for.

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7/19/2010  12:34 AM
I've already read fan reactions from the Warriors board on RealGM and 85% of the fanbase was upset over the trade. Some were livid.

They were upset to lose Anthony Randolph and Kelena Azubuike.

And the views from fans of other teams were that the Knicks made out like bandits in the trade.

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7/19/2010  12:42 AM
Impossible to fully judge a 20 year old player--heck many GS fans think he is the next KG as well. Guess what--the NY Knicks are going to be the team that finds out and we have a system that caters to his style of play. Did you listen to Rod Thorn--it seems like most of the league was trying to get Randolph--including at one point a deal that Pheonix would have been involved with with Amare. Now we have both guys.
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7/19/2010  12:46 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:I've already read fan reactions from the Warriors board on RealGM and 85% of the fanbase was upset over the trade. Some were livid.

They were upset to lose Anthony Randolph and Kelena Azubuike.

And the views from fans of other teams were that the Knicks made out like bandits in the trade.

And those same people were FURIOUS with giving Lee 80M over 6 years.

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7/19/2010  1:46 AM
I don't think there is any question is was a good deal for us on paper. We needed defenders and in this deal we brought in three guys who will instantly become our best defenders. Now two of the guys are coming off injury and Randolph is a bit unproven, so there are risks, but all three are solid guys both on and off the court, and two of them still have a bunch of potential to grow. Time will tell whether we got a steal.
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7/19/2010  2:28 AM
Cosmic wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I've already read fan reactions from the Warriors board on RealGM and 85% of the fanbase was upset over the trade. Some were livid.

They were upset to lose Anthony Randolph and Kelena Azubuike.

And the views from fans of other teams were that the Knicks made out like bandits in the trade.

And those same people were FURIOUS with giving Lee 80M over 6 years.

GS gave up a lot but we gave them an All Star. Injury fill in or not, unless you are the Lakers or Celtics GM, most teams have to overpay to get an All Star PF and double-double machine in his prime

The Knicks received a lot but also didn't receive the best player in the trade

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7/19/2010  3:03 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Impossible to fully judge a 20 year old player

i agree, but you didn't seem to have any qualms about judging Gallo at that age in his rookie season... is the difference because AR was a prospect you touted?

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7/19/2010  3:43 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I've already read fan reactions from the Warriors board on RealGM and 85% of the fanbase was upset over the trade. Some were livid.

They were upset to lose Anthony Randolph and Kelena Azubuike.

And the views from fans of other teams were that the Knicks made out like bandits in the trade.

And those same people were FURIOUS with giving Lee 80M over 6 years.

GS gave up a lot but we gave them an All Star. Injury fill in or not, unless you are the Lakers or Celtics GM, most teams have to overpay to get an All Star PF and double-double machine in his prime

The Knicks received a lot but also didn't receive the best player in the trade

Knicks got 3 rotation players...not some bums...the 3 guys they got are players that any team in the League could use right now. It's mind boggling imho. I mean It was David Lee's 1st All-star appearence...Anthony Randolph, Turiaf and Azubuike could have pulled Amare Stoudamire via trade.

Anyway, we gotta play the games so it all remains to be seen who benifits the most.

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7/19/2010  4:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  4:06 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
GS gave up a lot but we gave them an All Star. Injury fill in or not, unless you are the Lakers or Celtics GM, most teams have to overpay to get an All Star PF and double-double machine in his prime

The Knicks received a lot but also didn't receive the best player in the trade

The Knicks did not really lose Lee in a trade, because they were not going to sign him at the amount he wanted. We could have simply let him go and received nothing. Instead we help him get an extra year on his contract and do a S&T which allows us to pick up three rotational quality players, one with great promise, and a #2 to boot.

However you look at it, we did pretty darn well, even if some players in the trade don't work out.

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7/19/2010  4:17 AM
Actually, I think even AR agrees with part of that critique- wasn't there an interview after he was traded where they asked him what he needed to improve on and he said basketball IQ, and acknowledged that sometimes he goes crazy and tries to do too much fancy stuff. If you listen to what he says in interviews, I don't think he's anywhere near as stupid as people make out, he seems to have a good awareness of his game and what he needs to do, and he resisted falling into the trap of speaking out against Don Nelson once he was traded, so he can't be that immature.

Watching the clips of him he does seem proud of his ball handling abilities and seems determined to show them off with that dribble and shoot thing, but the thing is he does have a really good handle, and if he can get that shot to fall then it's actually a great move for a player of his height to have- it makes him unpredictable to guard.

Like I've said before if (and there's no guarantee that it will) this trade works out, then it really is a trade that saved the franchise- honestly, without this trade after the LeBron rejection the Knicks would've been dead in the water and this board would've been plummetd into despair. Not only did it allow us to fill in our roster with (if healthy) good players, it gave us hope in AR that he may become a great player. If it AR achieves his potential, then this trade is the complete opposite of the Camby, Nene for McDyess and I just hope for once we get some good luck and it works out.

I think Briggs must be pretty pleased with this offseason- not only did the Knicks get AR who he's been enthused about for years, but the also signed Amar'e, whom I remember he used to be even more enthused about, albeit before the knee operation- surely he isn't that different a player since the surgery?

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7/19/2010  6:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  8:15 AM
I must defend Randolph against this bitter sounding GS fan. I have watched Randolph play the last two yrs and what I have seen is a guy who had to learn the NBA game and fight against the head games of his coach who is known to be a jerk. Most GS fans hate that they lost Randolph, they see this kid as a top 10 player with the right coach. Some young players have self confidence, but some coaches are so old school that they try and bridle their enthusiasm. Randolph's BASKETBALL IQ is good for a 21 yr old. You won't find any of his ex-teammates talk negatively about him , but you do have opponents giving him his props and Don Nelson himself said that he was going to be a "GREAT PLAYER" !

The knicks previously didn't defend at all, and now we have three guys that do just that and does the GS fan realizes his team has no defenders at all? Nellie is trying to just run up and down the court and play Rec ball for 82 games with no defense allowed.

Randolph will undoubtedly become the new crowd favorite, what he does on the court hasn't been seen in over a decade. This kid is the type of player that ignites the entire team with infectious play on both ends of the court. NY is the best thing to happen to Anthony Randolph, Hopefully under Danphoney he can now play and not worry about a coach holding him back for personal old school reasoning.

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7/19/2010  7:57 AM
Its too bad Lee went to GS. I would have liked to see him play for a better organization and a winning team.

We traded for 3 'rotation guys' who all 3 combined for 83 games last year.

We got good value and upside for a guy who was going to be squeezed out anyway. Cant ask for much more

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playa2 wrote:I must defend Randolph against this bitter sounding GS fan. I have watched Randolph play the last two yrs and what I have seen is a guy who had to learn the NBA game and fight against the head games of his coach who is known to be a jerk. Most GS fans hate that they lost Randolph, they see this kid as a top 10 player with the right coach. Some young players have self confidence, but some coaches are so old school that they try and bridle their enthusiasm. Randolph's BASKETBALL IQ is good for a 21 yr old. You won't find any of his ex-teammates talk negatively about him , but you do have opponents giving him his props and Don Nelson himself said that he was going to be a "GREAT PLAYER" !

The knicks previously didn't defend at all, and now we have three guys that do just that and does the GS fan realizes his team has no defenders at all? Nellie is trying to just run up and down the court and play Rec ball for 82 games with no defense allowed.

Randolph will undoubtedly become the new crowd favorite, what he does on the court hasn't been seen in over a decade. This kid is the type of player that ignites the entire team with infectious play on both ends of the court. NY is the best thing to happen to Anthony Randolph, Hopefully under Danphoney he can now play and not worry about a coach holding him back for personal old school reasoning.

playa, your comment addressed the GS fan's point about his being a head case. We all know that Nelson was an incompetent coach when he was here. But I'm wondering about the GS fan's other point about his supposed low basketball iq. Do you take issue with this point, too?

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7/19/2010  8:38 AM
Ira after watching him the last two years , I wouldn't call his Basketball IQ low because of his emotions. He's a Army brat , his dad traveled all over the world in the UNITED STATES ARMY , he was born in Germany.

Very emotional, John Starks was highly emotional but he was cool with the fans in NY.

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7/19/2010  9:02 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I've already read fan reactions from the Warriors board on RealGM and 85% of the fanbase was upset over the trade. Some were livid.

They were upset to lose Anthony Randolph and Kelena Azubuike.

And the views from fans of other teams were that the Knicks made out like bandits in the trade.

And those same people were FURIOUS with giving Lee 80M over 6 years.

GS gave up a lot but we gave them an All Star. Injury fill in or not, unless you are the Lakers or Celtics GM, most teams have to overpay to get an All Star PF and double-double machine in his prime

The Knicks received a lot but also didn't receive the best player in the trade

AR has the potential to end up being the best player in the trade

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7/19/2010  9:43 AM
I am the resident expert on anything IQ related especially on the lower side.
I haven't seen much evidence of AR having a low IQ, but we haven't really seen him play yet. Lets wait a full season and see what he can do.
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7/19/2010  10:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  10:09 AM
franco12 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:I've already read fan reactions from the Warriors board on RealGM and 85% of the fanbase was upset over the trade. Some were livid.

They were upset to lose Anthony Randolph and Kelena Azubuike.

And the views from fans of other teams were that the Knicks made out like bandits in the trade.

And those same people were FURIOUS with giving Lee 80M over 6 years.

GS gave up a lot but we gave them an All Star. Injury fill in or not, unless you are the Lakers or Celtics GM, most teams have to overpay to get an All Star PF and double-double machine in his prime

The Knicks received a lot but also didn't receive the best player in the trade

AR has the potential to end up being the best player in the trade

While I agree, that is far from certain. Lee is proven. Otherwise, everyone would be lining up to trade the Kevin Garnetts of the world for the Al Jeffersons

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7/19/2010  10:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  10:20 AM
What? A young player player takes bad shots? A young player is emotional?

LOL at that making him a headcase. I guess some people forgot how Bryant used to play during his first few years in the league.

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7/19/2010  10:27 AM

I don't think the fan sounded bitter. AR is all that he said. He is very young so you gotta have hope his upside of both his head and his body grow.

He looks very skinny and his frame small. From what I have seen his is very quick and tries to use his athletic ability. When he intalls some fundamentals he should do much better.

He'll learn to pace himself from Amare. Amare reminds me a bit of Vince Carter. Does not play a full game and impose is monster talent. VInce and AMare can flat out do what ever they want on the court but have to pace their game as they don't have that insane motor so few athletes have. The Jordan like motor! Its a very rare commodity.

Nellie don't make the trades there and I doubt had much inmput on this. He is on his last year on his contract and with new owners coming in he is likley gone.

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7/19/2010  10:40 AM
I can't help but think of how key it was that Donnie's much criticized patience was involved in making this happen. I can't believe our good fortune in not only getting AR but still keeping Gallo, Chandler n TD as well.
I think this kid is gonna blossom here! I can't wait to see him in a Knick uni.
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