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BRIGGS
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7/18/2010  10:38 PM
we have dire need if Felton goes down we are up the creek


that is why I wanted livingston--I thought it was a true need.

Douglas is scary at that position he looks even more like a true combo scoring G than a PG.

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7/18/2010  10:45 PM
Douglas is fine he is going to get better.
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7/18/2010  10:55 PM
Vmart wrote:Douglas is fine he is going to get better.

I think he can be a fine combo--possible 6th man type. But if we give him the ball as the one for extended minutes--we will be losing games. I think every move should be geared towards helping us win now this year--no more slouching. I think there is *valid* concern coming from that position.

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7/18/2010  11:01 PM
Douglas gets better as he continues to play in the rotation.

Remember, he's a really good defender and can shoot. God forbid if felton goes down, we would rely heavily on douglas and any other pg on the knicks team to step it up.

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7/18/2010  11:08 PM
Felton is as durable as point guards go so at least we are in good shape there
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7/18/2010  11:12 PM
That is correct! He averages 79 games a season so at least we have ourselves a durable pg as you said.
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7/19/2010  1:18 AM
BRIGGS wrote:we have dire need if Felton goes down we are up the creek


that is why I wanted livingston--I thought it was a true need.

Douglas is scary at that position he looks even more like a true combo scoring G than a PG.

Toney's play in Vegas was worrisome because he really didn't look like a point at all.

That said - when he played late last year he was pretty darn good. Summer league is a bit of a cluster **** with no time to jell, not many set plays and so many guys coming in and out of games along with personal agendas.

We may be overreacting to a spotty Vegas performance.

That said -- I can't understand why we wouldn't have a solid vet point guard at least sitting on the bench (we need a 3rd point I agree).

Maybe Donnie will pick someone cheap once all the rosters are set or maybe a young kid won't fit on a roster somewhere.

I'm kind of hoping that if we go for Rudy -- we can also take a Mills or A. Johnson with him in the package.

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7/19/2010  7:59 AM
how many teams have a great 3rd PG? when CP3 went down Collison was great and they still lost games. You can always go get Earl Boykins
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7/19/2010  8:32 AM
We're not talking about a 3rd PG, we're talking about a 2nd pg. Douglas was as bad a point guard as could be imagined in the Summer League, especially considering he was playing in the SL for the expressed purpose of improving his point guard skills.

He was scary bad, and it was strange that you never saw the coached getting into it with him.

We do need a true point on the bench and this crew of Donnie and Mike seem like they are reluctant to go in that direction for some reason.

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7/19/2010  8:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  9:37 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
I'm kind of hoping that if we go for Rudy -- we can also take a Mills or A. Johnson with him in the package.

There ya go. Now your talkin'..The inclusion of Patty Mills in any Rudy Fernandez trade makes that deal look a lot more attractive, esp. if we were forced to give up on Chandler...I don't think they'd put Armon Johnson on the table in this trade..I don't get the feeling Portland likes Mills too much for whatever reason (maybe it's Nate McMillan???) -- there's been no real effort to incorporate him into the scheme of things out there thus far (both before & after the foot fracture) and who knows if they have plans to do so now, otherwise why draft Johnson? That team seems overloaded with backcourt talent right now. Something's gonna have to give there eventually..

I tell you what though, Mills was impressive in SL...His play goes way beyond the 41+% he shot from the field..First of all, 5 SL games is hardly a big enough sample to judge someone on field goal or FT percentages...His team went 4-1 and had a chance to go a perfect 5-0 -- in the only game they lost against the Clippers, they made a furious comeback from 20 down early on only to fall a little short in the end..If you watched Mills careful in these games, you saw a player that gave good effort on both ends of the floor. The willingness to get after it and really move his feet on defense & keep guys in front of him was very apparent which was nice to see considering that's been a knock on him in the past. From what I saw, his defense was good. REAL GOOD...Showed some quick hands on defense too.. You can tell he's worked hard on improving that aspect of his game..And offensively, I don't think there's any question that Patty Mills is very talented. Despite what you read on draftexpress and the like, I think Mills actually has very decent PG skills..First & foremost, compared to Toney Douglas who looks awkward & uncomfortable trying to run a team, Mills looks right at home orchestrating an offense..He's got all the requisite PG skills: ample quickness, good handle, good passer, finds open men with little trouble, he's unselfish and makes the right plays all while looking comfortable and sure of himself..And as an individual scorer, he's a very effective outside shooter with a pretty stroke along with being a very effective scorer off penetration. Very young too - Mills is about 3 years younger than TD (this dude's Gallo's age). He's the guy I'd go after right now. He is a RFA so either we get him in a trade or if not, I sign him to a sensible offer sheet and see if Portland matches..They may not, having just drafted Johnson along with signing Wes Matthews to a substantial offer sheet that Utah chose not to match. We might have the opportunity to steal this guy away from the Blazers right now..

I'd be OK with a Rudy/Mills trade but would probably prefer we sign Mills outright along with undrafted SG prospect Sylven Landesberg to sensible contracts...That's how I'd look to improve the backcourt depth right now.

I said it a couple of days ago -- with the $3M or so in left over cap room, go get me Patrick Mills, 6'6" Sylven Landesberg and 6'9" 250 lb. Wayne Chism, an undrafted PF out of Tennessee with good skills, and I'm ready to go to war..

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7/19/2010  9:11 AM
fishmike wrote:how many teams have a great 3rd PG? when CP3 went down Collison was great and they still lost games. You can always go get Earl Boykins

Hey- we're also screwed if Amare goes down.

And Gallo. We lose those two, we are so finished - we don't have legit back ups for them!

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7/19/2010  9:43 AM
Isn't Kevin Ollie available? (the prototypical journeyman backup PG)...
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7/19/2010  10:18 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:We're not talking about a 3rd PG, we're talking about a 2nd pg. Douglas was as bad a point guard as could be imagined in the Summer League, especially considering he was playing in the SL for the expressed purpose of improving his point guard skills.

He was scary bad, and it was strange that you never saw the coached getting into it with him.

We do need a true point on the bench and this crew of Donnie and Mike seem like they are reluctant to go in that direction for some reason.

Yeah...I noticed it...got all over his case for jacking up a 3 when he was open. Thing is ...stopped practice last year to lay into him for passing up on an open look. Go figure.

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7/19/2010  10:29 AM
franco12 wrote:
fishmike wrote:how many teams have a great 3rd PG? when CP3 went down Collison was great and they still lost games. You can always go get Earl Boykins

Hey- we're also screwed if Amare goes down.

And Gallo. We lose those two, we are so finished - we don't have legit back ups for them!

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7/19/2010  12:48 PM
We should look at an older vet like Tinsley, who might be available for a vet minimum contract. I agree that we do need another proven PG, because I think it is clear that Douglas does not have the passing instincts to be a full-time pg.
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7/19/2010  1:53 PM
If for no other reason, a team always needs three guys who can play the point, so that they have two should one get injured.
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7/19/2010  2:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/19/2010  2:16 PM
as a backup 2 douglas is better, cheaper, and has more room for growth/potential than duhon, don't some folks think?

i think we're nitpicking a bit here, but sure backup 2 is not our most clearly solid position.

all teams have weaknesses.

i still think we are a playoff quality team, and douglas' potential is enough to suggest he could do well. he came to sl agin and seems like he is a hard worker.

also, he is a very nice defensive option, even if he isn't the greatest distributor. he has quickness, high b-ball iq, and can score, which gives him some qualities.

we could see gallo or randolph handling the ball more with felton off the floor. i expect felton to play big minutes anyway. douglas has an improved chance of being better than last year, which is an automatic improvement with he + felton.

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7/19/2010  4:07 PM
Tony Douglas is better than the point guard we had for the last two years...
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7/19/2010  5:21 PM
Toney can't be the point, he can't run the pick and roll, and he turns the ball over too much. He plays out of control sometimes and just isn't a smooth player. When Toney is in I hope we mostly feed amare in the post and let him do his thing.
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7/19/2010  5:27 PM
Gallo and Stoudemire running the pick and roll could be devastating. TD only needs to get the ball to half court and try and lock down the opposing PG. Offense will run through a Point Forward (i.e. Gallo or Randolph).
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