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Chances we can beat the heat?
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nykbasketball
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7/18/2010  3:05 PM
Everyone is saying that they have no depth and its only the big three and stuff along those lines. Well Wade and Bron are the 2 best players on the court, amare is the third, and bosh is the fourth best player. After those 4, its all knicks. Gallo, Chandler, Randolph, and Felton are better than anything the Heat can counter with (maybe the exception is mike miller). Randolph is going to abuse anybody the heat put at center because there is not a guy in the open market right now that can match up with him. He is way to athletic and versatile for Shaq/Big Z. I think Amare is going to abuse Bosh, but thats from a biased knick fans view. Felton will outplay their PG without a doubt. But how badly will Bron and Wade torch Gallo/Chandler/Walker? If we play good defense and force Bron and Bosh into jumpers we can beat the heat. But if we constantly let these guys into the lane its not even a contest. In order to beat the heat Amare has to absolutely dominate Bosh and go off for at least 30, Gallo has to knock down some threes and score around 20, Randolph has to score 15 and defend the rim, and felton has to be a magician at the point and make things happen by pushing the tempo, and we have to play GREAT defense.

Beating the heat is going to be a challenge and I think that's why Lebron said if you cant beat them join them. Im glad Amare looks forward to challenges because he needs to carry us on his shoulders and get us the 6 seed to avoid the heat in the first round... but ultimately the road to the finals goes through Miami

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7/18/2010  3:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2010  3:21 PM
I like your overall assessment, although it is really tough to accurately compare both teams right now because the Heat are sure to add a few more players to minimum contracts.

I like our chances for these reasons:
1. We will have the advantage in the paint due to our size
-Amare > Bosh, Turiaf = Haslem, AR > Igauskas, and we have two 7 footers to bang in there
2. We have the advantage at the point guard position. Felton is better than whatever they have to offer at PG.
3. Chandler & Gallo's defense was pretty good last year. Both will have to have a good game to compete with the heat.
4. Our run and gun style should hopefully tire their starters and allow us to go on nice runs.

Advantage heat for the obvious reason... But we can comppete with them on any night as long as we play hard and distribute the ball.

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7/18/2010  3:22 PM
Before we can contend for anything meaningful we're going to have to establish some solid defense and rebounding. But putting that aside, lets say we keep a game close with the heat and it's tied with 2 mins to go. Defenses tighten, there are no gimme's. They've got two go-to guys they can just hand the ball off to that can make something happen, while we don't have that and therefore need perfect execution. But perfect execution is hard to come by with consistency in the crunch. That's why we'll need fortuitous buckets from steals and putbacks in the waning minutes.

We really don't have guys who can put the ball on the floor and create their own. We need Gallo to become a go-to guy, not a release valve at the arc. Can he do it?

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7/18/2010  3:25 PM
Whoever the knicks put at SF such as Gallo will get torch cause Miami more likely will use Lebron as their point forward, facilitating the offense.

Chalmers will not necessary be playing pg. they may put Miller, Wade and Lebron along with Bosh and ZEE most of the time during the game so they can stretch out their opp defense.

Bosh may be battling and defending Turiaf. I dont think Miami will allow hin to cover Stoudamire. They'll put Juwan Howard or Zee against him.

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7/18/2010  4:56 PM
having Lebron & Wade gives them a pretty huge advantage in any matchups w/our roster.
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7/18/2010  5:02 PM
the chances are approximately equal to the chances of eddy curry passing through the eye of a needle.
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7/18/2010  5:07 PM
A snow balls chance in hell.
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7/18/2010  5:13 PM
AnubisADL wrote:A snow balls chance in hell.

I think our chances of winning at least one game against the Heat are better than Byron Scott lasting more than three years in Cleveland or John Calipari lasting four years in Kentucky without picking up a NCAA violation

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7/18/2010  5:16 PM
Wow, what's with the pessimism here? There's nothing the Heat can put on the court that a crowbar and a call to a guy with the word "Icepick" in his name can't fix.
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7/18/2010  5:23 PM
nykbasketball wrote:Everyone is saying that they have no depth and its only the big three and stuff along those lines. Well Wade and Bron are the 2 best players on the court, amare is the third, and bosh is the fourth best player. After those 4, its all knicks. Gallo, Chandler, Randolph, and Felton are better than anything the Heat can counter with (maybe the exception is mike miller). Randolph is going to abuse anybody the heat put at center because there is not a guy in the open market right now that can match up with him. He is way to athletic and versatile for Shaq/Big Z. I think Amare is going to abuse Bosh, but thats from a biased knick fans view. Felton will outplay their PG without a doubt. But how badly will Bron and Wade torch Gallo/Chandler/Walker? If we play good defense and force Bron and Bosh into jumpers we can beat the heat. But if we constantly let these guys into the lane its not even a contest. In order to beat the heat Amare has to absolutely dominate Bosh and go off for at least 30, Gallo has to knock down some threes and score around 20, Randolph has to score 15 and defend the rim, and felton has to be a magician at the point and make things happen by pushing the tempo, and we have to play GREAT defense.

Beating the heat is going to be a challenge and I think that's why Lebron said if you cant beat them join them. Im glad Amare looks forward to challenges because he needs to carry us on his shoulders and get us the 6 seed to avoid the heat in the first round... but ultimately the road to the finals goes through Miami

I've been thinking that the way to attack the problem is to put AR on LeBron. This creates a height disadvantage in our favor. LeBron' jumpshot is not money. With Randolph to shoot over, his game becomes sub par.

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7/18/2010  5:24 PM
Formidable. You hear that Miami?
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7/18/2010  5:27 PM
AnubisADL wrote:A snow balls chance in hell.

lol. my sentiments exactly. however, we are still building our team so i am happy we have a "benchmark" of a team to measure against which will be the heat. they will be incredible. this doesnt mean much but i played against them on my nba 2k10 in which i am no slouch in with my team after adding melo and got beaten 3 times in a season after playing them, you guessed it, three times. it was an accurate assessment with each member of the big three going off in key moments of the game. not pretty for teams next year.

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7/18/2010  5:28 PM
BasketballJones wrote:Formidable. You hear that Miami?

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7/18/2010  5:28 PM
It's hard to say, cuz we are still waiting on many of our guys to realize their potential. Bron, Wade & Bosh are already at their peaks. We will have a more balanced and deeper roster, but we'll be more shaky from game to game than they will just cuz Bron N Wade can carry teams by themselves. It's a lock that they will win a ton of games on pure talent alone. Lebron's PER is like that of 2 avg NBA players. The avg. PER is 15 and he's a 30! So the other players don't matter as much when you have guys like that who will be carrying most of the action.

It's the playoffs that will really be the test for them. We may have issues in the regular season, but when you have time to really prepare and adjust to the weaknesses of a team, it makes a difference. We will see what their weaknesses are once we've seen them play an entire season and there's some film on them. Right now they have a bit of an advantage cuz teams won't know how to attack them at first. Our advantage will be in that we can raise the level of play to unexpected heights just based on the potential of many of our young guys. Will it happen, we don't know, but we do know that many of our young studs have had bursts of amazing play and who knows if they may finally figure it out and do that for long periods of time. Heat have the natural edge, but we have a punchers chance.

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7/18/2010  5:43 PM
Lebron, Wade, and 3 college players would beat the Knicks starting five 8 out of 10 times.
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7/18/2010  5:45 PM
I don't really see us beating the heat. A lot depends on how well our team gels and if and only if Wade /Bron cannot execute well together would we have a chance.
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7/18/2010  5:47 PM
Jrzyhustla - typical loser/ whiner/ crybaby frame of mind

and you have the nerve to want tough players with conviction?

Bring on the Heat!

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7/18/2010  5:47 PM
loweyecue wrote:I don't really see us beating the heat. A lot depends on how well our team gels and if and only if Wade /Bron cannot execute well together would we have a chance.

Our team gelling would give us a better chance obviousoy, but still. Just too much firepower on that squad.

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7/18/2010  6:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:A snow balls chance in hell.

Is that before or after hell freezes over?

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7/18/2010  6:09 PM
the only chance this roster has of beating a team like the Heat in any playoff series is if Lebron goes down to injury & we're at full health... as for a regular season game, any team in the NBA can beat any other on any given night, but the cream usually rises to the top in the postseason.
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