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7/17/2010  3:34 PM
The only real competition that Amare has at the PF spot in the east with KG now in this twilight is Bosh. Other then that there is no real comp for him at PF. Celtics do have a good combination of bigs though with KG, O'neal, Wallace, Perkins. Even if you add in center Dwight Howard that still is only 3 teams.

He can absolutely tear up the east this yr. I don't see any other team with any type of answer for him, and if Amare really really wants it and can stay healthy he can have an MVP type of season.

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7/17/2010  4:01 PM
at least we know he's a hard worker... he's already hitting the gym with asst coaches & Wilson Chandler... meanwhile Eddy Curry's someplace scoffing down hamburgers in places unknown... Amare will likely be named co-captain with Ray Felton... we need those guys to step up & be the leaders this team has lacked for years.
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7/17/2010  4:06 PM
Let make sure we vote for him so he can make the All Star game over That thing in Miami!!!
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7/17/2010  5:33 PM
TMS wrote:at least we know he's a hard worker... he's already hitting the gym with asst coaches & Wilson Chandler... meanwhile Eddy Curry's someplace scoffing down hamburgers in places unknown... Amare will likely be named co-captain with Ray Felton... we need those guys to step up & be the leaders this team has lacked for years.

I tell you he can really dominate the east this yr. There really isn't that much strong comp for him to go up against on a night to night basis. There are some solid/good player but not many that are close to his level.

The question is can he be so dominant, have an mvp type of season and put this team on his back to a quality playoff seed.

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7/17/2010  5:33 PM
The three aMEgos will start the all star game. The band wagon Heat jumping homer-fest will make you sick.
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7/17/2010  5:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2010  5:49 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:The only real competition that Amare has at the PF spot in the east with KG now in this twilight is Bosh. Other then that there is no real comp for him at PF. Celtics do have a good combination of bigs though with KG, O'neal, Wallace, Perkins. Even if you add in center Dwight Howard that still is only 3 teams.

He can absolutely tear up the east this yr. I don't see any other team with any type of answer for him, and if Amare really really wants it and can stay healthy he can have an MVP type of season.

Carlos Boozer isn't competition at that spot and the combination Bigs in Atlanta and if we're adding centers than Brooke Lopez has to be thrown into the mix? The East is very top heavy compared to the Western Conference but again we'll see how much Amare will be creating on his own without a MVP caliber point guard.

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newyorknewyork wrote:The only real competition that Amare has at the PF spot in the east with KG now in this twilight is Bosh. Other then that there is no real comp for him at PF. Celtics do have a good combination of bigs though with KG, O'neal, Wallace, Perkins. Even if you add in center Dwight Howard that still is only 3 teams.

He can absolutely tear up the east this yr. I don't see any other team with any type of answer for him, and if Amare really really wants it and can stay healthy he can have an MVP type of season.

Carlos Boozer isn't competition at that spot and the combination Bigs in Atlanta and if we're adding centers than Brooke Lopez has to be thrown into the mix? The East is very top heavy compared to the Western Conference but again we'll see how much Amare will be creating on his own without a MVP caliber point guard.

Boozer is a good player, good producer, but he isn't on that level, and struggles to guard athletic guys like Amare. They are more likely to put Noah on Amare as he is a better athletic and lanky matchup. I wasn't really trying to add centers, but I felt that Howard was versatile enough to possibly guard Amare one on one. I don't believe for one second that Lopez could guard Amare man to man and I don't believe that Amare would be asked to guard Lopez either. More likely that Favors will be asked to match up against Amare. ATL does have a nice front line when you combine Smith and Hortford who do have the length and athleticism to give Amare problems, but talent wise Amare is better then both of them and it would come down to how much he wanted it.

Im also not worried about Amare ability to produce without an elite level PG as when the Suns traded away Marbury he had no real PG. This was Amare's 2nd season in the NBA out of high school, he averaged 20pts a game that season. I can also say that Amare is a big contributor to Nash having MVP type of season. I expect Feltons assist number to climb significantly in this system along side of Amare.

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7/17/2010  7:17 PM
I think only Knicks fans would pretend the difference is that huge between Amare and Boozer. If Boozer's putting all-star #s and his team is playing better (and neither is a far fetch IMO), he'll be voted in over Amare.
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7/17/2010  7:48 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I think only Knicks fans would pretend the difference is that huge between Amare and Boozer. If Boozer's putting all-star #s and his team is playing better (and neither is a far fetch IMO), he'll be voted in over Amare.

Huge difference is an overstatement, but Amare is more of an impact player then Boozer is IMO.

This isn't about who is going to make the allstar team, This is about that there isn't a great amount of comp for Amare to face on a night to night basis in the east and he could end up dominating.

Don't mean he will, just observations

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7/17/2010  11:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I think only Knicks fans would pretend the difference is that huge between Amare and Boozer. If Boozer's putting all-star #s and his team is playing better (and neither is a far fetch IMO), he'll be voted in over Amare.

Let's be honest there's a reason that Amare was higher on the list than Boozer or Lee. Those guys are very good players, just not AS GOOD as Amare. I think here he will have every advantage in that our pace will be higher than most of the other East teams. We WILL win games too and since we haven't won it will be more talked about as the excitement will be back in NY.

Just the fact that it's gonna be a NY player putting up All Star numbers is gonna make his numbers stand out more IMO. Also to me the Bulls were only marginally better than the Knicks. The difference between us and them is that they were solid up the middle at PG/C we didn't have that and it led to being inconsistent from qtr to qtr. Now we will have a very solid 1,4 & 5. Not spectacular but solid. Our fringe players are good enough for any team in the league. Gallo and Chan will be excellent now with our strength up the middle for the 1st time since they've been here. Plus I believe we'll actually be as deep or deeper than the Bulls. We'll have guys like AR, TD, AZ etc. coming off the bench.

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7/18/2010  1:56 AM
How bout some pride fellas? Amar'e is clearly the best power fwd int he East. So what if Boozer is in Chicago...when Amar'e was in Pheonix and Boozer was in Utah...they both were in the west and Amar'e was better than Boozer then. Booyah!!!

Face it....1-8 the Knicks can put out a team that has the potential to run any team off the floor. They also have players in place to fill holes in case of injury. Can't wait till training camp

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7/18/2010  5:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2010  6:11 AM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I think only Knicks fans would pretend the difference is that huge between Amare and Boozer. If Boozer's putting all-star #s and his team is playing better (and neither is a far fetch IMO), he'll be voted in over Amare.

Let's be honest there's a reason that Amare was higher on the list than Boozer or Lee. Those guys are very good players, just not AS GOOD as Amare. I think here he will have every advantage in that our pace will be higher than most of the other East teams. We WILL win games too and since we haven't won it will be more talked about as the excitement will be back in NY.

Just the fact that it's gonna be a NY player putting up All Star numbers is gonna make his numbers stand out more IMO. Also to me the Bulls were only marginally better than the Knicks. The difference between us and them is that they were solid up the middle at PG/C we didn't have that and it led to being inconsistent from qtr to qtr. Now we will have a very solid 1,4 & 5. Not spectacular but solid. Our fringe players are good enough for any team in the league. Gallo and Chan will be excellent now with our strength up the middle for the 1st time since they've been here. Plus I believe we'll actually be as deep or deeper than the Bulls. We'll have guys like AR, TD, AZ etc. coming off the bench.

I guess I never saw "the list." I'd say they're just good at different things and overall it's a small edge to Amare.

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7/18/2010  7:55 AM
EnySpree wrote:How bout some pride fellas? Amar'e is clearly the best power fwd int he East. So what if Boozer is in Chicago...when Amar'e was in Pheonix and Boozer was in Utah...they both were in the west and Amar'e was better than Boozer then. Booyah!!!

Face it....1-8 the Knicks can put out a team that has the potential to run any team off the floor. They also have players in place to fill holes in case of injury. Can't wait till training camp

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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7/18/2010  9:43 AM
The way I see it, teams like Toronto, Philly, New Jersey, Cleveland(maybe Varejao), Detroit, Pacers, Bobcats, Bucks, Wizards don't have anyone with an answer for Amare.
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newyorknewyork wrote:
TMS wrote:at least we know he's a hard worker... he's already hitting the gym with asst coaches & Wilson Chandler... meanwhile Eddy Curry's someplace scoffing down hamburgers in places unknown... Amare will likely be named co-captain with Ray Felton... we need those guys to step up & be the leaders this team has lacked for years.

I tell you he can really dominate the east this yr. There really isn't that much strong comp for him to go up against on a night to night basis. There are some solid/good player but not many that are close to his level.

The question is can he be so dominant, have an mvp type of season and put this team on his back to a quality playoff seed.

hopefully he can stay healthy... that's the only question anyone would have on him having a great year for us... whether he can put this team on his back w/o a HOF PG to play with remains to be seen tho.

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7/18/2010  5:30 PM
well, it is a reasonable argument. i think he will be the best scoring pf in the east without a doubt. rebounding? no.
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7/18/2010  5:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/18/2010  5:51 PM
Stat won't have to worry about going up against guys like Dirk, Gasol, Duncan, Ming, as much as he used to.

Only Dwight and KG now.

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7/18/2010  5:54 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:The way I see it, teams like Toronto, Philly, New Jersey, Cleveland(maybe Varejao), Detroit, Pacers, Bobcats, Bucks, Wizards don't have anyone with an answer for Amare.

But do we have an answer for some of the players on those teams?

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7/18/2010  7:36 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:The way I see it, teams like Toronto, Philly, New Jersey, Cleveland(maybe Varejao), Detroit, Pacers, Bobcats, Bucks, Wizards don't have anyone with an answer for Amare.

But do we have an answer for some of the players on those teams?

We probably don't have answers for other teams great players on the star level. Though we have more capable defenders and shot blockers to at least not make it as easy for them as the past. But at least we can match them now with a star of our own. Plus its not like we will get dominated production wise in any particular position other than possibly center.

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7/18/2010  7:47 PM
TMS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
TMS wrote:at least we know he's a hard worker... he's already hitting the gym with asst coaches & Wilson Chandler... meanwhile Eddy Curry's someplace scoffing down hamburgers in places unknown... Amare will likely be named co-captain with Ray Felton... we need those guys to step up & be the leaders this team has lacked for years.

I tell you he can really dominate the east this yr. There really isn't that much strong comp for him to go up against on a night to night basis. There are some solid/good player but not many that are close to his level.

The question is can he be so dominant, have an mvp type of season and put this team on his back to a quality playoff seed.

hopefully he can stay healthy... that's the only question anyone would have on him having a great year for us... whether he can put this team on his back w/o a HOF PG to play with remains to be seen tho.

True he doesn't have Nash to take that load of running the team allowing Stoud to just pile up stats without worrying about running the team. At the same time Raymond Felton isn't no slouch when it comes to those type of intangibles. Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, Azubuike, Douglas are no scrubs either.

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