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This is Gallo's big year.
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7/17/2010  8:36 AM
Do we have a star in the making or don't we?

This is the season that will tell us that.

Of all the NBA cliches....one holds true at least 90% of the time: If a player isn't showing you something in his third year then you have what you have.

It's a pretty truthful statement that does seem to hold firm.

By a player's third year they either show you they are on the path to stardom or that they've pretty much peaked in talent and you have what you have - barring just added experience as time goes on. The skill level is what it is by then for at least 9 out of 10 players - if not more.

Just a thought....but this is a BIG season for Gallo. By mid-season we will know what we got here.

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7/17/2010  9:23 AM
I thought he showed us a lot in his 2nd year (which was really his first)

He's an NBA starter. He's got a top level shot and range. He plays defense and wants to guard the best scorer every night. He can pass and he can handle. The question is how good will he be at those things? And how will he fit in with this new group? What will he role be?

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7/17/2010  9:28 AM
fishmike wrote:I thought he showed us a lot in his 2nd year (which was really his first)

He's an NBA starter. He's got a top level shot and range. He plays defense and wants to guard the best scorer every night. He can pass and he can handle. The question is how good will he be at those things? And how will he fit in with this new group? What will he role be?

Wanting to guard the best scorer and being able to do it successfully are two different things. His coach knows the players he can guard and most of the time they would put gallup on the player with the least amount of offensive threat.

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7/17/2010  9:54 AM
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I thought he showed us a lot in his 2nd year (which was really his first)

He's an NBA starter. He's got a top level shot and range. He plays defense and wants to guard the best scorer every night. He can pass and he can handle. The question is how good will he be at those things? And how will he fit in with this new group? What will he role be?

Wanting to guard the best scorer and being able to do it successfully are two different things. His coach knows the players he can guard and most of the time they would put gallup on the player with the least amount of offensive threat.

True, but many guys in the NBA don't want to play any D whatsoever, so the distinction is important.

I was thinking about this the other day. Gallo averaged 15 and 5 last year, with good shooting stats (82% FT, 39% 3, 42% FG). April was his best month, he upped his FT% to 90% and averaged 22 a game. He needs to be around a 20 point scorer this year. He can definitely be a guy who averages 20 and 8 (IE Rudy Gay #s) next year.

Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, and Douglas all need to take steps.

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7/17/2010  10:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2010  10:07 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I thought he showed us a lot in his 2nd year (which was really his first)

He's an NBA starter. He's got a top level shot and range. He plays defense and wants to guard the best scorer every night. He can pass and he can handle. The question is how good will he be at those things? And how will he fit in with this new group? What will he role be?

Wanting to guard the best scorer and being able to do it successfully are two different things. His coach knows the players he can guard and most of the time they would put gallup on the player with the least amount of offensive threat.

True, but many guys in the NBA don't want to play any D whatsoever, so the distinction is important.

I was thinking about this the other day. Gallo averaged 15 and 5 last year, with good shooting stats (82% FT, 39% 3, 42% FG). April was his best month, he upped his FT% to 90% and averaged 22 a game. He needs to be around a 20 point scorer this year. He can definitely be a guy who averages 20 and 8 (IE Rudy Gay #s) next year.

Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, and Douglas all need to take steps.


Gallo also said he would win the 3 pt shootout when he participated in it, most guys who enter that contest think they will win.

What's so distinctive about that ?

For the knicks sake I'm hoping that this guy comes in the best shape of his career and develops an all around game and will defend better.

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7/17/2010  10:07 AM
If the Knicks are to make the playoffs Chandler and Gallo have to up everything to big time status. Harrington and T-Mac aren't there anymore to defer to anymore. The dominating overly aggressive personalities are no longer there. Its time for Gallo and Chandler to take the bull by the horn and take their game to a higher level.
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7/17/2010  10:19 AM
I just don't see the offense balancing out like that. Gallo will be the Joe Johnson (Phoenix edition) in this offense. He's either going to need to nail open jumpers or make an extra pass that leads to an easy bucket.

Amare and Felton are going to dominate every possession and I'd bet that Randolph is the only other guy who has a significant amount of designed offense where he's the primary option.

Walker, Gallo and Chandler are going to score when the defense is drawn in to whatever Felton/Randolph/Amare are doing. Designing plays for Walker, Gallo and Chandler would seem like wasted possessions to me when you have guys with the three primary scorers that fit so well together.

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7/17/2010  10:20 AM
VMart - excellent point about the shots taken by Harrington and TMac (and Lee) being left on the table.

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7/17/2010  10:22 AM
Is this Gallo's "Make or Break" year?

It really doesn't matter

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7/17/2010  10:30 AM
Playa Gallo was a decent defender in our system. I think he actually proved to be tougher than many players expected when they tried to take him. On offense I expect he will be improved. My guess is 18/7 this yr.
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7/17/2010  11:15 AM
nixluva wrote:Playa Gallo was a decent defender in our system. I think he actually proved to be tougher than many players expected when they tried to take him. On offense I expect he will be improved. My guess is 18/7 this yr.

You are right about Gallo's D...not sure what some folks were watching last year, or if they actually were.

I was going to make a scoring prediction, but then realized we have a much different roster this year than last, and you just don't know how things will end up as far as point distribution. I think that the only player on the team who averages 20+ PPG is Amare, and even that is not etched in stone.

Amare-     21 PPG
Gallo- 17
Felton- 15
Chandler- 15
Randolph- 15
Douglas- 10
Turiaf- 7
Azu- 8
Other? 2

Adds up to 110 PPG for the team, which I doubt we will get (Suns led the league with 110 PPG last year), yet if you look at our individual players without thinking of team performance, I don't think any of you would feel the scoring numbers above, give or take a few points either way, seem totally out of line.

Gallinari has to be more consistent and efficient as a scorer, continue to work on his post-up game to exploit certain SF matchups, and I expect him to average 3 APG and 6/7 RPG.

As for Gallo's D- he was just about as good as anyone in our starting lineup last year- probably better, and he generally matched up against whoever was playing SF, but also had to be on the perimeter guarding PGs because of shoddy D by some of our PGs, and then helping out inside on our zone because MDA had to cover-up for Lee's poor interior D. To say that Gallo was put on the player with the "least amount of offensive threat" seems to be more than just an exaggeration.

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7/17/2010  11:18 AM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I just don't see the offense balancing out like that. Gallo will be the Joe Johnson (Phoenix edition) in this offense. He's either going to need to nail open jumpers or make an extra pass that leads to an easy bucket.

Amare and Felton are going to dominate every possession and I'd bet that Randolph is the only other guy who has a significant amount of designed offense where he's the primary option.

Walker, Gallo and Chandler are going to score when the defense is drawn in to whatever Felton/Randolph/Amare are doing. Designing plays for Walker, Gallo and Chandler would seem like wasted possessions to me when you have guys with the three primary scorers that fit so well together.

While that's true, It also depends on Gallo's development. If he decides he just wants to stand on the perimeter and knock down jumpers off the kick outs then that's all he will get. As MDA was saying though in that summer league interview. He should develop one go to post move that he can use on mismatched SF. Also needs to work on his one dribble pull up jumper. The more versatility he displays the more MDA will look to get him the ball.

It will play itself out though. The beauty of having a pure playmaking pg like Felton is he will get these guys shots.

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7/17/2010  11:52 AM
well i thought last year was really his rookie year because he played practically no games his rookie year. however, this is a big year in which he is our primary perimeter weapon on our team. more plays will be designed for him and we will see if he will get better. someone said the right thing by saying expect more of a joe johnson player ( which isnt bad) than a nowitski type.
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7/17/2010  12:46 PM
I think unless we somehow trade for Melo, Galo is in a position to be the go to guy down the stretch in games. Teams will focus on the pick and roll run by Felton and Amare and somebody else is going to have to step up and take advantage of the space created. Gallo should be that guy in my opinion.
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7/17/2010  1:00 PM
jazz74 wrote:well i thought last year was really his rookie year because he played practically no games his rookie year. however, this is a big year in which he is our primary perimeter weapon on our team. more plays will be designed for him and we will see if he will get better. someone said the right thing by saying expect more of a joe johnson player ( which isnt bad) than a nowitski type.

Sort of a hybrid between Joe Johnson and Turkoglu, but yeah. He's basically going to live in a small area on the corner of the arc, just like those two do and set up offense from there once in a while, post up from there once in a while, but mostly look to knock down uncontested J's.

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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7/17/2010  1:01 PM
Anyone catch in MikeD's interview that he basically sent a warning shot at Gallo saying something like, "He'd better be ready" because we have all these other guys who can play his positions... I thought that was interesting from a guy who has been Gallo's doing everything he could for two years to get this guy to succeed.
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7/17/2010  1:08 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:
jazz74 wrote:well i thought last year was really his rookie year because he played practically no games his rookie year. however, this is a big year in which he is our primary perimeter weapon on our team. more plays will be designed for him and we will see if he will get better. someone said the right thing by saying expect more of a joe johnson player ( which isnt bad) than a nowitski type.

Sort of a hybrid between Joe Johnson and Turkoglu, but yeah. He's basically going to live in a small area on the corner of the arc, just like those two do and set up offense from there once in a while, post up from there once in a while, but mostly look to knock down uncontested J's.

that would make me sick.

the guy apparently needs to be smacked in the mouth to bring some aggressiveness to the game. i think we picked up drago to f'k him up a little before games and get his mind on business.

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7/17/2010  1:24 PM
playa2 wrote:
BigSm00th wrote:
playa2 wrote:
fishmike wrote:I thought he showed us a lot in his 2nd year (which was really his first)

He's an NBA starter. He's got a top level shot and range. He plays defense and wants to guard the best scorer every night. He can pass and he can handle. The question is how good will he be at those things? And how will he fit in with this new group? What will he role be?

Wanting to guard the best scorer and being able to do it successfully are two different things. His coach knows the players he can guard and most of the time they would put gallup on the player with the least amount of offensive threat.

True, but many guys in the NBA don't want to play any D whatsoever, so the distinction is important.

I was thinking about this the other day. Gallo averaged 15 and 5 last year, with good shooting stats (82% FT, 39% 3, 42% FG). April was his best month, he upped his FT% to 90% and averaged 22 a game. He needs to be around a 20 point scorer this year. He can definitely be a guy who averages 20 and 8 (IE Rudy Gay #s) next year.

Gallo, Randolph, Chandler, and Douglas all need to take steps.


Gallo also said he would win the 3 pt shootout when he participated in it, most guys who enter that contest think they will win.

What's so distinctive about that ?

For the knicks sake I'm hoping that this guy comes in the best shape of his career and develops an all around game and will defend better.


you are all over the place....most guys shoot thinking they will make the shot. do you know anyone who shoots the ball thinking they will miss? Gallo wanted to guard the best players his team faced. that shows he is willing t accept the challenge and wants to be come a better ball player.. the distinction is important because as mentioned by another poster, most guys don't want to defend.... It is really not that hard to understand... Gallo saying he will win the 3 point contest and not winning has nothing to do with his desire and work ethic to become a great player..

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7/17/2010  1:30 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:I just don't see the offense balancing out like that. Gallo will be the Joe Johnson (Phoenix edition) in this offense. He's either going to need to nail open jumpers or make an extra pass that leads to an easy bucket.

Amare and Felton are going to dominate every possession and I'd bet that Randolph is the only other guy who has a significant amount of designed offense where he's the primary option.

Walker, Gallo and Chandler are going to score when the defense is drawn in to whatever Felton/Randolph/Amare are doing. Designing plays for Walker, Gallo and Chandler would seem like wasted possessions to me when you have guys with the three primary scorers that fit so well together.


Interesting idea. I agree with some of it - but disagree on where Gallo fits in. Amare will take the most shots but I think Gallo will be more involved in the offense this year. He was third on the team in shots taken last year and I see him being 2nd or 3rd this year. Felton does not take a tremendous amount of shots and I think Gallo being a better passer and shooter then Randolph has more plays called for him. I see Randolph finishing on the break and getting hustle points - I don't think his strength is that he's a polished offensive player that you run your offense through.

Another way of looking at is removing Harrington frees up a lot of shots and I think Gallo is at worst the third offensive option on this team. On the other hand if Randolph has a breakout offensive season then you may well be correct.

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7/17/2010  6:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/17/2010  6:42 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Anyone catch in MikeD's interview that he basically sent a warning shot at Gallo saying something like, "He'd better be ready" because we have all these other guys who can play his positions... I thought that was interesting from a guy who has been Gallo's doing everything he could for two years to get this guy to succeed.


Well the truth be told this is it, either he sack up and play like he did in Europe or sit down. No more mental lapses , the one yr contracts guys are gone, no more deferring to other players Amare is the only one with a long term reputation on the team now.

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This is Gallo's big year.

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