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Please, Enough With The Carmelo Chatter, Sign Earl Barron As A Primary Matter
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misterearl
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7/13/2010  7:38 AM
After Lebron fatigue, here come the same beat reporters with the redundant headlines and references to Mister LaLa. Enough. We get it. Carmelo is from Brooklyn and Denver is no pla e for a brotha from Brooklyn.

While the press was chasing Lebron, Walsh was chasing Mozgov and Felton and Randolph and Turiaf. Meanwhile, Landry Fields, who is completely ignored may be able to ay a lick and Bill Walker has dropped a few pounds. Point being, Carmelo is nice but the future is now

2011 is months away and by 2012 The Garden interior will sparkle with new seats and sightlines. Donnie Walsh has exceeded expectations by assembling a roster with size, versatIlity and most of all - yoots. The oldest man in the roster is the ancient Stoudemire at 27. How cool is that?

No more talk of these Knicks as commodities. They are people who we have yet to see as a unit or shiftlines. If Carmelo, or the next max free agent, is on the way I can wait.

Whatever the misunderstanding is with his representation, work it out. Sign Earl Barron and let's get to rebounding, running and gunning

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7/13/2010  7:52 AM
I think the Knicks have plenty of bigs. Barron isn't likely to breakout at age 29. Do the Knicks even have a roster spot? If they do, mightn't it be better used on a guy like House? Just my two cents.
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7/13/2010  8:34 AM
egelband - not just two cents

The Knicks need 4 centers

1. To start next to A'mare because A'mare is not a center, but he can play the five when D'Antoni is in a running mood

2. To come off the bench at the 8 minute mark

3. To give a hard foul on Bosh, or any other big man who dares to venture into the paint

4. As insurance for the inevitable January injury

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7/13/2010  10:00 AM
We should sign Barron. Jordan and Mozgov are probably at least a yr away from contributing. Barron proved he can produce, he give us more power to become a playoff team.

I say sign him, play him the move him for a 2nd rder at the trade deadline.

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7/13/2010  10:03 AM
CLEARLY...Barron>>>>Melo
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7/13/2010  11:46 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:We should sign Barron. Jordan and Mozgov are probably at least a yr away from contributing. Barron proved he can produce, he give us more power to become a playoff team.

I say sign him, play him the move him for a 2nd rder at the trade deadline.

I agree. Also, D'Antoni is already comfortable with Barron. Barron is a smart player and showed a lot during his short tenure with the Knicks.
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7/13/2010  12:13 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:We should sign Barron. Jordan and Mozgov are probably at least a yr away from contributing. Barron proved he can produce, he give us more power to become a playoff team.

I say sign him, play him the move him for a 2nd rder at the trade deadline.

I agree. Also, D'Antoni is already comfortable with Barron. Barron is a smart player and showed a lot during his short tenure with the Knicks.

can we draw many conclusions from a short run at the end of a bad year? i hate the comparison, however it reminds me of the mardy collins talk (late season success -- expectations for the next year).

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7/13/2010  12:51 PM
Walsh also said there had been "a mix-up of some kind" recently between the Knicks and the representatives of center Earl Barron, who played the final seven games of last season with New York, but that the Knicks were still interested in re-signing the 7-footer.

Chris Sheridan is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com.

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7/13/2010  1:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2010  1:14 PM
Word is that the Knicks wanted Barron back at the minimum --$854K, but barron wanted more. Do you really want Barron (a 29 year old journeyman) at $1.5M--- this is on the basis of 6 or 8 games at the end of the season. I would give him the minimum at a veteran exception, but I would not mess with 2011 cap space or beyond to bring him back. Jerome Jordan can hack Bosh for $470K (or get some other big to hack him for $470K non-guaranteed)
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7/13/2010  1:20 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:Word is that the Knicks wanted Barron back at the minimum --$854K, but barron wanted more. Do you really want Barron (a 29 year old journeyman) at $1.5M--- this is on the basis of 6 or 8 games at the end of the season. I would give him the minimum at a veteran exception, but I would not mess with 2011 cap space or beyond to bring him back. Jerome Jordan can hack Bosh for $470K (or get some other big to hack him for $470K non-guaranteed)

Do the same as they did with the Russian, and to an extent, with Felton- "overpay" but make only this year guaranteed.
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7/13/2010  1:23 PM
Earl Barron is a scrub. He's got Randolph Morris and Jonathan Bender written all over him.

What is there to see in these guys? They're clearly not NBA material.

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7/13/2010  1:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2010  1:32 PM
Jrzyhustla - for you to lump Randolph Morris and Jonathan Bender together is special. Bender's issue was not his skill set but his knees. Randolph Morris' major handicap is a lack of Nate Robinson DNA and a name that sounds like an investment banker

The Earl of Barron provides depth and insurance at center


The Knicks need 4 centers
1. To start next to A'mare because A'mare is not a center, but he can play the five when D'Antoni is in a running mood - Mozgov

2. To come off the bench at the 8 minute mark - Turiaf

3. To give a hard foul on Bosh, or any other big man who dares to venture into the paint - Jordan

4. As insurance for the inevitable January injury - Barron

Sign me up

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7/13/2010  1:47 PM
misterearl wrote:Jrzyhustla - for you to lump Randolph Morris and Jonathan Bender together is special. Bender's issue was not his skill set but his knees. Randolph Morris' major handicap is a lack of Nate Robinson DNA and a name that sounds like an investment banker

The Earl of Barron provides depth and insurance at center


The Knicks need 4 centers
1. To start next to A'mare because A'mare is not a center, but he can play the five when D'Antoni is in a running mood - Mozgov

2. To come off the bench at the 8 minute mark - Turiaf

3. To give a hard foul on Bosh, or any other big man who dares to venture into the paint - Jordan

4. As insurance for the inevitable January injury - Barron

Sign me up


I agree that we need to move on, but I disagree about Barron. With Turiaf, Timothy, Jerome, Curry, Stoudemire and Randolph, I think we have enough people to play center or fill in during an emergency. I really think we need more depth on the wing. Buike is still hurt and there isn't a timeframe for his return. If Chandler gets hurt, we're left with Bill Walker to fill in. I'd like to add another veteran wing for insurance. Then I'd go for Barron.
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7/13/2010  1:49 PM
I am all for signing Earl Barron, as long as he is not demanding too much money that would hinder our Melo or Chris Paul plans.
I know we offered him a non-guaranteed deal that he rightfully turned down at the end of last season. He should not expect a guaranteed multi-year deal on his body of work(Like 10 games) at the end of last season. I would give him up to 1.5 Mill guaranteed this year with Team option for the next year. I bet that team option is the sticking point. I am glad Walsh is alot more careful giving out long term contracts that our previous GMs. He does not want to tie our hands in future offseason Free agency periods. I really aplaud him for that. If we lose out on Barron, it will be ok by me because I know Walsh is doing what is best for the team.

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7/13/2010  2:04 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Word is that the Knicks wanted Barron back at the minimum --$854K, but barron wanted more. Do you really want Barron (a 29 year old journeyman) at $1.5M--- this is on the basis of 6 or 8 games at the end of the season. I would give him the minimum at a veteran exception, but I would not mess with 2011 cap space or beyond to bring him back. Jerome Jordan can hack Bosh for $470K (or get some other big to hack him for $470K non-guaranteed)

Do the same as they did with the Russian, and to an extent, with Felton- "overpay" but make only this year guaranteed.

If we have any cap space left, I am okay with that. Unfortunately, I think we are pretty close to capped out for this season.

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7/13/2010  2:12 PM
The latest ny post article states we have 2M left in cap space. Earl really shouldn't be earning more the the vet min though.
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7/13/2010  4:02 PM
Andrew wrote:The latest ny post article states we have 2M left in cap space. Earl really shouldn't be earning more the the vet min though.

Not sure that article is correct. I question the source. I thought any payment over 500k to the russian team should count against the cap this year. So, that supposed $2M payment should be charged this year. I am happy to be wrong though.

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7/13/2010  4:09 PM
misterearl wrote:Jrzyhustla - for you to lump Randolph Morris and Jonathan Bender together is special. Bender's issue was not his skill set but his knees. Randolph Morris' major handicap is a lack of Nate Robinson DNA and a name that sounds like an investment banker

The Earl of Barron provides depth and insurance at center


The Knicks need 4 centers
1. To start next to A'mare because A'mare is not a center, but he can play the five when D'Antoni is in a running mood - Mozgov

2. To come off the bench at the 8 minute mark - Turiaf

3. To give a hard foul on Bosh, or any other big man who dares to venture into the paint - Jordan

4. As insurance for the inevitable January injury - Barron

Sign me up


Not that I mind having depth but Mike uses a small rotation and wont get near 4 centers. We only need 4 big men on the roster to start with, including pf's. He'll rotate 3 bigs between 2 spots and occasionally use a 4th like at the end of the 3rd quarter who's playing time can increase if there's an injury. Besides, you can always sign someone later to fill a few minutes if there is an injury. If we lose a key player, barron isnt going to make a huge difference over say bender when a guy like stoudemire or AR go down. And if it's turiaf's minutes that need to be filled then its not much to worry about.
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7/13/2010  4:14 PM
Curry - 11.3
Turiaf - 4
Randolph 2
Azu - 3.3
Gallo - 3.3
Chandler - 2.1
Douglas - 1
Walker - 0.9
Amare - 16.5
Felton - 8?
Russian: 3?
Roster hold 1: 0.47

Total: 55.87
Cap: 58ish

Space available ~2M

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7/13/2010  4:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2010  4:51 PM
tj23 - no one can predict how D'Antoni will deploy this roster

he could go ten deep if he pleases

If you define "big men" as dudes over 6'9, yes the Knicks have more than they have had in decades but if we have learned anything from the Lakers....you can never have too many

Who is matching up with Bynum?

With Dwight Howard or Bosh?

Sign The Barron of Earl as insurance

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Please, Enough With The Carmelo Chatter, Sign Earl Barron As A Primary Matter

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