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Please Donnie, no more savior schemes & 2012 plans... just keep amassing assets
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7/13/2010  3:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2010  3:58 AM
trades like the David Lee trade where we amassed some tradeable assets & young talent - those are the types of deals we should look to make at this point... unless a guy like Tony Parker becomes available, we shouldn't look to starphuch & go all in on 3rd tier guys just because we lost out on Lebron... we also shouldn't sacrifice yet another year waiting for Carmelo & CP3 to hype themselves up to be the next big 3 in NY & play us all again for fools just to see them sign someplace else in a year's time.

right now this team has 3 very good young talented players in Gallo, AR & Wilson Chandler... they have a couple expiring contracts... they have a superstar bigman in Amare... they have a serviceable veteran C & a young G both with very reasonable contracts... OK, we failed on plan A... that much is obvious... that doesn't mean we should cut off our nose to spite our face by burying ourselves with more immovable contracts by trading for guys like Gilbert Arenas & the like.

Donnie needs to keep loading up on young, talented pieces & focus on building the talent base first & foremost from the ground up like a lot of us have been calling for him to do for the longest before he looks to superstars playing elsewhere who may or may not opt out of their contracts a year or two down the road to come riding in on their white horse to save this franchise... NO MORE sacrificing future assets in the hopes of signing someone a year or two from now... unless we're trading for a tangible player, we should hold onto every young asset we can amass & weigh our options when the time or opportunity arises... we should be smart with our free agent signings & not invest heavy dollars on wannabe superstar talent... & most importantly, we should invest as MUCH EFFORT as possible into actually developing the young talent on this roster before dolling out playing time to aging vets who have absolutely no future on this franchise... if we can follow this road we'll be in a good position going into the future regardless of what happens or who becomes available.

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7/13/2010  4:29 AM
you dont wanna trade for frye guy?
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7/13/2010  7:20 AM
T, good point. Basically your calling for an end to "starphuching!"

Reality is fans want it more than teams. The junkie like obsession restarted like the morning after "the decision". Cp3 is baiting it and Carmello for the next big hookup. Cp3 agent works for lebrons marketing company. That is very wrong and full of conflict.

New yorkers feel like the biggest and brightest should be here.

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7/13/2010  8:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2010  8:28 AM
I am cautiously optimistic about the direction that the new talent is taking us. A lot of height, solid players. So far, not a lot of dollars expended to bring us to this point. Gotta love the idea of being in a position to sign a max player in 2011 AND 2012! This is unheard of in recent times! Admit it, DW is handling his business.
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7/13/2010  8:29 AM
at this point i have enough faith in donnie walsh to let him carry out his plan. he set us up nicely to make a run at lebron and made no panic moves when it fell short. we have talent in amare, anthony randolph and felton but we do need a franchise player type talent.
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7/13/2010  8:50 AM
Silverfuel - other than Kobe?

We don't need no steekin franchise player type talent

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7/13/2010  8:59 AM
Sangfroid wrote:I am cautiously optimistic about the direction that the new talent is taking us. A lot of height, solid players. So far, not a lot of dollars expended to bring us to this point. Gotta love the idea of being in a position to sign a max player in 2011 AND 2012! This is unheard of in recent times! Admit it, DW is handling his business.

I totally agree. The Godfather has gone through his plan with precision. Down to the alternate plan when the queen decided to be in wade county. Donnie has collected some exciting talent and still has us prime for another FA run in the next 2 summers.

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7/13/2010  9:18 AM
Donnie is going to go after Melo and Paul. Thats why Felton was signed only for 2yrs. I really don't think we have to worry about going after guys like Arenas though at all. If we do go after that calibre it would be after 2012. By then we will now what we have in Gallo and Randolph so the decisions will be much easier to make reguarding them.
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7/13/2010  9:20 AM
I think Walsh should just sit tight for the next few months and give this team until December to see what it can do. We now have a defensive center in Turiaf, a guy that commands a double-team, and a point guard that can hit a shot and is not afraid to drive to the basket. If Gallo has stepped up his game, this team really has a chance to make the playoffs this year. I would sit tight and wait at this point. No need to make any other moves.
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7/13/2010  9:28 AM
I agree no trades. He has built an efficient team with young talent and defense. We have budding fringe all-star talent in AR and Gallo a tough point guard and a great defensive presence in turiaf to go with amare.

NO trades for Melo and Parker. The Heat can't be beat right now. That starts next offseason if he wants to build the contender we need AR here in the Lamar Odom role. We need Douglas playing good defense and giving use bench scoring. Parker is a question mark right now and there is a lot of wear on him from the playoffs and international basetball. We are one of the deeper teams in the league. Mike really needs to bring an uptempo defensive pressure attack.

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7/13/2010  10:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2010  10:05 AM
Nalod wrote:T, good point. Basically your calling for an end to "starphuching!"

Reality is fans want it more than teams. The junkie like obsession restarted like the morning after "the decision". Cp3 is baiting it and Carmello for the next big hookup. Cp3 agent works for lebrons marketing company. That is very wrong and full of conflict.

New yorkers feel like the biggest and brightest should be here.

i've been calling for an end to starphuching since the Marbury trade blew up in our faces... that didn't stop this franchise from seeking savior after savior, from Zach Randolph to Jalen Rose to Stevie Franchise... move after move trying to milk 40 win seasons out of this flawed roster just so we could make the playoffs, but with no hope whatsoever of winning a title... i'm sick of going that route & have been for years... i've wanted this franchise to build up with youth & amass young assets for a long time.

so far i feel like Donnie's moves have mostly been in our best interests with the 1 exception of that failed T-Mac trade & the signings of useless bench players like Roberson & Bender... clearing Zach & Jamal's contracts off the books without having to give away any assets were 2 brilliant moves, as was getting some useful assets out of trading Nate Robinson & David Lee... i railed against his choice not to trade those guys last year & he's proven me wrong... good for him... i'm glad to say he's done a good job from that standpoint... since his plan failed to land Lebron i no longer want to see this franchise sacrificing entire seasons & giving away draft picks to clear cap space just so we can have a glimmer of a chance to sign these guys like Melo & CP3 who are already trying to hype up their own brands at our expense... no more being held hostage by a single player, i'm done with it... focus on building up what we do have & go from there... you can't go wrong by going that route.

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7/13/2010  10:05 AM
“When you finish this, don’t go out and say a name and then for two years or one year, we’re all focused on that one name,” Walsh said. “The guys I’m bringing in here now are meant to come here and stay here. In other words, they’re the kinds of players that you want even if you did have the cap flexibility to go out and get another player, so it isn’t like everyone should be looking over their shoulders. I think the days of just basically making deals for cap space, for the most part, are over.”
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7/13/2010  10:16 AM
TheGame wrote:I think Walsh should just sit tight for the next few months and give this team until December to see what it can do. We now have a defensive center in Turiaf, a guy that commands a double-team, and a point guard that can hit a shot and is not afraid to drive to the basket. If Gallo has stepped up his game, this team really has a chance to make the playoffs this year. I would sit tight and wait at this point. No need to make any other moves.

if the right player becomes available like a Tony Parker or Darren Collison, i don't have a problem with making a move to trade for him, but i don't wanna see any more assets be thrown away on a prayer to clear cap space so we can hopefully sign bigname stars 1 or 2 years from now, & i don't wanna see us going after guys with big contracts that aren't the types of guys you should build a franchise around like Arenas, Gerald Wallace, etc... for his part Donnie's said he won't be going that route... hopefully he sticks to it & doesn't let the pressure from the fans & from Dolan from deterring him from that plan... & hopefully he'll keep making moves to make this roster better from within by focusing on developing the young guys he's amassed & stop bringing in veteran players who have no future here that will stunt their maturation & growth... keep the temptation away from MDA & give him no choice but to play the young guys... let Gallo & Wilson become featured players this season playing off Amare & see how much better they become... give AR a chance to grow even through his struggles learning a new system & DO NOT allow MDA to sit him for long stretches of the season if he grows disenchanted w/his play... hold the head coach accountable for getting some tangible results out of the roster you just spent 2 & a half years putting together... the time for excuses is over for both these guys.

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7/13/2010  10:25 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Donnie is going to go after Melo and Paul. Thats why Felton was signed only for 2yrs. I really don't think we have to worry about going after guys like Arenas though at all. If we do go after that calibre it would be after 2012. By then we will now what we have in Gallo and Randolph so the decisions will be much easier to make reguarding them.

i don't think Arenas is a big threat right now but you never know w/Dolan who has the last say on all moves we make... & i fully expect the Knicks to explore all possibilities in landing guys like Melo & Paul, they'd be stupid not to... but i don't want us to hold off on making moves to improve if the opportunity presents itself & throw away assets with nothing but a hope of signing those guys next year... IMO our best plan of action in our quest to land a franchise stud is by amassing young talent & picks.

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7/13/2010  10:31 AM
Make no mistake Donnie is building a team to win with and not just collecting trade assets! This is the value of the TMac trade. Not just that we had a chance to sign 2 superstars, but if that failed we had the option to make trades and sign multiple FA's in order to put a balanced team together.

Donnie also intended to structure contracts for future flexibility just in case we NEED to make a change due to a player not working or because a stud like Melo comes available. This is our team! No need to worry. But down the line things could change and DW has set us up to be ready for whatever.

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7/13/2010  10:45 AM
I don't know about the value of the TMAC trade. Don Nelson is the guy we should be thanking. He time and time again proves he is clueless with talent evaluation. He did it with CWebb and I think has done it with AR. I think the stars aligned just right for us not to lose Lee and have a great package we shouldn't have gotten. Sometimes it works that way, I'm glad we finaly got a little luck. Like Johnson getting overpaid. The Knicks were going full force on that one. Again sometimes it comes down to luck.
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7/13/2010  10:50 AM
MS wrote:I don't know about the value of the TMAC trade. Don Nelson is the guy we should be thanking. He time and time again proves he is clueless with talent evaluation. He did it with CWebb and I think has done it with AR. I think the stars aligned just right for us not to lose Lee and have a great package we shouldn't have gotten. Sometimes it works that way, I'm glad we finaly got a little luck. Like Johnson getting overpaid. The Knicks were going full force on that one. Again sometimes it comes down to luck.

you don't have one without the other. Nobody taking on Jefferies at this time of year. TMac allowed us to be in position for Don Nelson maneuver.

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7/13/2010  11:07 AM
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MS wrote:I don't know about the value of the TMAC trade. Don Nelson is the guy we should be thanking. He time and time again proves he is clueless with talent evaluation. He did it with CWebb and I think has done it with AR. I think the stars aligned just right for us not to lose Lee and have a great package we shouldn't have gotten. Sometimes it works that way, I'm glad we finaly got a little luck. Like Johnson getting overpaid. The Knicks were going full force on that one. Again sometimes it comes down to luck.

you don't have one without the other. Nobody taking on Jefferies at this time of year. TMac allowed us to be in position for Don Nelson maneuver.

how do you figure? we had the cap space to make a non-equitable monetary trade w/o making the T-Mac deal... first we were able to sign Amare because of the T-Mac trade, now we were able to trade Lee for AR because of the T-Mac deal... i suppose any player we get from now on was all made possible by the T-Mac trade? if Melo signs here in 2011, people will be arguing that the T-Mac trade made that possible... come on.

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7/13/2010  11:17 AM
I think Jefferies was easier to take then you think if you actually played hill that deal would have went down. I think the Thunder would have taken that package and maybe even the suns in a sign and trade.

a team like the Nets just signed outlaw to 7 million Farmer to 4 million the bucks gave gooden 7 million, raptors gave amir money? It's more than possible that multiple trades could have been made.

Donnie gets a b+ for the offseason but i think there was more value out there to be had than he got from the rockets deal

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7/13/2010  11:26 AM
TheGame wrote:I think Walsh should just sit tight for the next few months and give this team until December to see what it can do. We now have a defensive center in Turiaf, a guy that commands a double-team, and a point guard that can hit a shot and is not afraid to drive to the basket. If Gallo has stepped up his game, this team really has a chance to make the playoffs this year. I would sit tight and wait at this point. No need to make any other moves.

I would like to see the group we have put together at this point given a chance to play together for a year.

It is more satisfying watching young players develop before your eyes and learning how to win; more satisfying putting a group of guys together who can play the kind of ball that results in a team which is much better than the sum of its part, than putting together a dream team and winning.

I won't stop watching the Knicks if they trade away some of their young talent for guys like Anthony, Paul, or Parker, but I would feel much better watching the team we have now winning and showing promise of greater things to come, than trading for the stars.

I'm jealous about what OKC might be putting together, and I'm not sure I would want to trade that team's future for the Miami Queen Team, even if the Heat win more titles.

The team that Walsh has put together as of today is probably the most interesting one in terms of its mix of older (but not really old) talent, younger talent, and talented role players, that we have had for years, and if Gallo continues to improve like I think he will, and Randolph sees the light and plays to his potential, we might end up with the best (or close to it) 3/4 forward combination in the NBA, a tandem that other fans on other forums be starting threads about in jealousy.

Don't know what Donnie has under his sleeves, but I hope that he looks at the team he has put together and decides to let them go to war for the year as is.

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Please Donnie, no more savior schemes & 2012 plans... just keep amassing assets

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