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Allanfan20
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1/16/2004  4:20 PM
How do we do that though? Is that able to be done?

I figure he will get some of his minutes when backing up Marbury.

Then, when Marbury comes in, we can have a really small backcourt of Marbury and Williams. Then, for some periods of time, we get Houston or Penny at the 3 (While one rests) and we put Van Horn at the 4.

I think, at this point, Frankie really needs to play. He creates a really big impact, and nobody realized it, until 3 weeks ago, when he killed Vancouver.

The guy is really good.
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1/16/2004  4:23 PM
IMO FWill will get substantial (18-25) minutes playing behind and alongside Stephon.

He brings an "instant offense" feel to the game when he's playing- especially with Marbury with him.

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1/16/2004  4:28 PM
Yup. Not only is he instant offense, but he is a pretty good defender. He does a little bit of everything on offense. Kind of like Bobby Jackson (Fishmike said it first) I am not saying Frank will be Bobby, but he could be. He has the talent.
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1/16/2004  4:28 PM
Frank definately should play a good 20 minutes. Unfortunately theyd most likely bring in shandon or penny b4 they go wit the small backcourt. Maybe cut Marbury down to 36 minutes a game...give frank 12 at pg and depending on the other teams backcourt, give him 8 playing alongside stephon
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1/16/2004  4:40 PM
i think that frank should get atleast 30mins in terms of his effort, talent, abilities, and demeanor on the court. this guy is going to be one of the best point guards in the game one day if teams are able to best use his abilities and talent. i could compare him to thamas' beloved, jamal tinsely. i think frank is better than jamal because of his height(6 3') at the point, he has more talent also. jamal starts for the best team in the east and maybe even the best in the nba. i sure franks play making ability will be liked by lenny and he will be able to better use frank's ability than that idiot named chaney.
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1/16/2004  4:54 PM
Frank still needs some work but he's going to get his. I hope like hell we keep him. Look at Sac and I think Frank can be our Bobby Jackson. Both he and Steph can defend bigger guys so I dont see it being a problem... especially if we get a litle more athletic up front.
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1/16/2004  5:03 PM
If Stephon plays 40 mpg, and Houston plays 35 mpg, that leaves 21 minutes left at the guard position. Unless you give Penny all his minutes at SF, and none to Shandon Anderson, there aren't 20 minutes available for Williams.
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1/16/2004  5:25 PM
How many were against me when I brought out that Frank was our up and coming point guard. I hope Lenny sees what this guy does in practice and gives him minutes more than what he got under Herb the other night. He cleary is worthy of somebody's minutes . To keep him on the bench when the guy just started to blossom would be a bad non develpomet move. When the playoffs come around he should have enough minutes under his belt to be ready to contribute every game in post season.
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1/16/2004  6:12 PM
i dont think its possible. with steph getting, on avg., 42 minutes a night, and allan getting, on avg., 37 minutes a night, it is virutally impossible to find 20 minutes for fwill. i think penny is higher in the rotation just because of his experience and we are trying to win not develop. as long as marbury is here, which hopefully is a long time, fwill's days are numbered. maybe not until the offseason, but he will def be traded.
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1/16/2004  6:14 PM
Ok I don't get to see many games here in the Boston Area. So this guy must look a lot better then his stats indicate and he must have come a long way since college because...

- He was a very low first round draft pick. So scouts obviously didn't think he was going to be great coming out of College.

-He essentially didn't play his rookie year.

- He is not very athletic - according to scouting reports coming out of college and quotes attributed to scouts this year.

- He has a terrible assist to turnover ratio.

- He does not shoot well.

Yet according various posters:

- He's virtually untouchable in a trade.

- He one of the best backup point guards in the NBA.

- He should be a significant part of our rotation - although he is playing behind to of our best players.

This guy must have really looked great against those 4 terrible teams that were playing with a lot of injuries. Because I'm sure I could find 4 game stretches where Eisely (who is terrible) put up better stats yet this guy is the second coming.

Hey I hope he turns into a good ball player. But an untouchable, one of the best backup 1's in the NBA a proven part of the rotation - I don't see how he's proven that.
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1/16/2004  6:25 PM
Posted by letitbeheard:

i think that frank should get atleast 30mins in terms of his effort, talent, abilities, and demeanor on the court. this guy is going to be one of the best point guards in the game one day if teams are able to best use his abilities and talent. i could compare him to thamas' beloved, jamal tinsely. i think frank is better than jamal because of his height(6 3') at the point, he has more talent also. jamal starts for the best team in the east and maybe even the best in the nba. i sure franks play making ability will be liked by lenny and he will be able to better use frank's ability than that idiot named chaney.
Tinsley has been BENCHED MOST of the season.
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1/16/2004  6:35 PM
Posted by OldFan:

Ok I don't get to see many games here in the Boston Area. So this guy must look a lot better then his stats indicate and he must have come a long way since college because...

- He was a very low first round draft pick. So scouts obviously didn't think he was going to be great coming out of College.

-He essentially didn't play his rookie year.

- He is not very athletic - according to scouting reports coming out of college and quotes attributed to scouts this year.

- He has a terrible assist to turnover ratio.

- He does not shoot well.

Yet according various posters:

- He's virtually untouchable in a trade.

- He one of the best backup point guards in the NBA.

- He should be a significant part of our rotation - although he is playing behind to of our best players.

This guy must have really looked great against those 4 terrible teams that were playing with a lot of injuries. Because I'm sure I could find 4 game stretches where Eisely (who is terrible) put up better stats yet this guy is the second coming.

Hey I hope he turns into a good ball player. But an untouchable, one of the best backup 1's in the NBA a proven part of the rotation - I don't see how he's proven that.

Frank William's worth is not found in the boxscore. First, he penetrates like none other, seriously. At 6'3"/6'4" he's got solid size and can play the 2. He can score on the best of them (dropped 17 on Kobe's dome, coming off the bench. Yes, Kobe was guarding Frank all game). Frank has very good court vision. He's a smart ball player. He's lost weight and toned up, and does not make as many mistakes as other NBA points. He's a 2nd year player, who when he was in college was compared to Gary Payton and termed the glove for his lockdown D.

Dont think it was a coincidence that the Knicks DESTROYED the teams they played when Frank started at the point. He knows where all his teammates like the ball, how, and the right speed to run the team at. He doesnt dominate the team like Marbury does. Frank can draw defenses. He can drain the trey. He is a leader. He makes other guys play with more energy. He's almost a Jason Kidd type of PG, except a little less emotion. He doesnt look as fluid as kid, because Frank is kinda boxy and stocky, but not fat (aka Tinsley). Frank gets his, but gets everyone else involved, in a huge way. That's his value. That's why teams like him and are after him.

Frank gets things done and more importantly, we have not lost a game with Frank as our starting PG. (that last line was partially a joke...)
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1/16/2004  6:38 PM
This guy must have really looked great against those 4 terrible teams that were playing with a lot of injuries. Because I'm sure I could find 4 game stretches where Eisely (who is terrible) put up better stats yet this guy is the second coming.



Dog, your gonna need to get yourself some NBA League Pass up there in Boston and watch the kid play. Please dont ever put his and Howard Eisleys name in the same sentence again. When you watch him play, its just something you can tell about him. The way the offense flows with him in, the way hes always ball hawking. Ill admit, his first year he was like a deer in headlights. But I think summer league did alot for his confidence and now he feels he can compete with any point in the league (maybe even Marbury). To me hes like a young Terry Porter, but with more point guard skills. Hes gonna be good if someone lets him get out there.
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1/16/2004  6:55 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by OldFan:

Ok I don't get to see many games here in the Boston Area. So this guy must look a lot better then his stats indicate and he must have come a long way since college because...

- He was a very low first round draft pick. So scouts obviously didn't think he was going to be great coming out of College.

-He essentially didn't play his rookie year.

- He is not very athletic - according to scouting reports coming out of college and quotes attributed to scouts this year.

- He has a terrible assist to turnover ratio.

- He does not shoot well.

Yet according various posters:

- He's virtually untouchable in a trade.

- He one of the best backup point guards in the NBA.

- He should be a significant part of our rotation - although he is playing behind to of our best players.

This guy must have really looked great against those 4 terrible teams that were playing with a lot of injuries. Because I'm sure I could find 4 game stretches where Eisely (who is terrible) put up better stats yet this guy is the second coming.

Hey I hope he turns into a good ball player. But an untouchable, one of the best backup 1's in the NBA a proven part of the rotation - I don't see how he's proven that.

Frank William's worth is not found in the boxscore. First, he penetrates like none other, seriously. At 6'3"/6'4" he's got solid size and can play the 2. He can score on the best of them (dropped 17 on Kobe's dome, coming off the bench. Yes, Kobe was guarding Frank all game). Frank has very good court vision. He's a smart ball player. He's lost weight and toned up, and does not make as many mistakes as other NBA points. He's a 2nd year player, who when he was in college was compared to Gary Payton and termed the glove for his lockdown D.

Dont think it was a coincidence that the Knicks DESTROYED the teams they played when Frank started at the point. He knows where all his teammates like the ball, how, and the right speed to run the team at. He doesnt dominate the team like Marbury does. Frank can draw defenses. He can drain the trey. He is a leader. He makes other guys play with more energy. He's almost a Jason Kidd type of PG, except a little less emotion. He doesnt look as fluid as kid, because Frank is kinda boxy and stocky, but not fat (aka Tinsley). Frank gets his, but gets everyone else involved, in a huge way. That's his value. That's why teams like him and are after him.

Frank gets things done and more importantly, we have not lost a game with Frank as our starting PG. (that last line was partially a joke...)
dude. that is the exact way i wanted to describe frank's game. it's obvious you love frank as a player as do i. well said bro
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1/16/2004  6:55 PM
How could he have an assist to TO ratio of less then two and make less mistakes then other point guards. Who could seriously compare a guy drafted 31st to Gary Payton.

I hope you guys are right but...
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1/16/2004  7:00 PM
wasn't payton drafted 24th or something?


[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/16/2004 19:01:17]
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1/16/2004  7:07 PM
Might have been. But if FW was being compared to Payton after Payton showed he was a Star and anyone believed it - he wouldn't have been drafted 31. Go back and look at the old draft info - they liked his toughness but questioned both his work ethic and his athletic ability. No one was predicting FW was going to be a Star and I don't see how's he's played enough in the Pros that everyones opinion of him could have grown that much.

There were quotes recently in the paper attributed to a scount saying he was one of the slowest guards in the NBA - that was after his break out games. One 17 point game against a good guard - in a loss - does not prove you're a scorer. Don't get me wrong I'm sure he has potential and I hope he turns out to be as good as you think. But I think this board response to a few good games is totally out of proportion. If we could trade him for a big man of value I would do it in a minute with no regrets.
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1/16/2004  7:39 PM
Case your assesment of Frank was SUPERB. great post my brother!!!
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1/17/2004  6:01 AM
Just wanted to chime in the with the facts:

Gary Payton was the #2 Overall draft pick in 1990. Does anyone care to guess who was #1? Anyway, by his drafted position, nothing less than greatness was expected from him.

In his 2nd season, GP averaged 31.5mpg, 9.4ppg, 6.3apg... certainly not the makings of a superstar, right? It took Payton until his 5th season in the NBA to become a truly dominant player.

Frank Williams was drafted 25th overall in the 1st round last year. The only big name American PGs I can think of ahead of him were Jay Williams and Dajuan Wagner (if you call him a PG). FW's future has been clouded w/ the acquisition of Marbury. I'd imagine if he's as good as we think he is, he'll have a couple of good seasons w/ the Knicks before emerging as a star on another team. At least we'd probably get some decent trade value out of him to replenish our front line in a few years.

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1/17/2004  9:10 AM
Fwill is a nice player. He will have to earn his minutes again with a new coach, unfortunately for him. Also, he is a PG more than a SG, which means his minutes will come when Stephon is not at the point, which will probably be around 10 mpg. He has great vision and he is a quiet confidence about him that makes him cool. His shooting is suspect, so he needs to work on it, ESPECIALLY if he wants to see time at the 2. The facts are with Penny and Shandon here, there are not enought minutes at the1 or 2 to get Fwill more than 10 a night on a normal game.

He does play nice defense too. He has long arms and has good size and strength. He has potential to be a solid PG in this leageue. Better than Ward for sure, but Payton? wow, that is a Hall of Fame PG. IF he is that good, then NY has 2 Hall of Fame PG's right now and there is not enough room for both of them. Trade a great young PF, with a rookie contract for a great young PF/C witha rookie contract. Fwill for Bosh. never happen, but man if it did!
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