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Bippity10
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7/9/2010  1:10 PM
Look at our roster
Amare Stoudemire
Anthony Randolph
Danilo GAllinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
Wilson Chandler
3 rookies

If we had "built through the draft" we would have been thrilled(and lucky) to have our roster look like this. For 2 years we whined and moaned and biotched about our management team sacrificing our future for Lebron James. But now when I look at our roster I see one proven star, 2 of the top players from the 2008 draft(both under 22 years of age), two late first round possible steals, and 2nd rounder with lottery potential. We have the exact team that everyone was asking for, plus salary cap space. I understand being upset with not getting Lebron, but have the last two years really been miserable failures? Have we really "sacrificed our future"? Are we missing the fact that this team is really rebuilding?

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7/9/2010  1:16 PM
Word. Things are looking up... WAY UP. Donnie done good.
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7/9/2010  1:16 PM
No complaints from me. While I was definitely upset about the Jefferies for T-Mac trade, I got over it and realized it was all about the big picture.

I really like the roster now. The only concern is health, which is obviously big.

Where've you been?

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7/9/2010  1:18 PM
PS: Her name is Letoya, NOT LeBron.
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7/9/2010  1:22 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Look at our roster
Amare Stoudemire
Anthony Randolph
Danilo GAllinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
Wilson Chandler
3 rookies

If we had "built through the draft" we would have been thrilled(and lucky) to have our roster look like this. For 2 years we whined and moaned and biotched about our management team sacrificing our future for Lebron James. But now when I look at our roster I see one proven star, 2 of the top players from the 2008 draft(both under 22 years of age), two late first round possible steals, and 2nd rounder with lottery potential. We have the exact team that everyone was asking for, plus salary cap space. I understand being upset with not getting Lebron, but have the last two years really been miserable failures? Have we really "sacrificed our future"? Are we missing the fact that this team is really rebuilding?

DUDE, you don't get it we gave up Jordan Hill!! Fire Walsh!! We MORTGAGED OUR FUTURE for Lebron or BUST. So now its BUST. </sarcasm>

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Bonn1997
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7/9/2010  1:23 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Look at our roster
Amare Stoudemire
Anthony Randolph
Danilo GAllinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
Wilson Chandler
3 rookies

If we had "built through the draft" we would have been thrilled(and lucky) to have our roster look like this.


Depends on when you started building through the draft. The team needed to do that about 8 to 10 years ago.
Paladin55
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7/9/2010  1:25 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Look at our roster
Amare Stoudemire
Anthony Randolph
Danilo GAllinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
Wilson Chandler
3 rookies

If we had "built through the draft" we would have been thrilled(and lucky) to have our roster look like this. For 2 years we whined and moaned and biotched about our management team sacrificing our future for Lebron James. But now when I look at our roster I see one proven star, 2 of the top players from the 2008 draft(both under 22 years of age), two late first round possible steals, and 2nd rounder with lottery potential. We have the exact team that everyone was asking for, plus salary cap space. I understand being upset with not getting Lebron, but have the last two years really been miserable failures? Have we really "sacrificed our future"? Are we missing the fact that this team is really rebuilding?

Some are missing this fact, I'm not. We have a young team now with some folks- Amare and Randolph- who many wanted us to draft.

Perhaps some people should close their eyes and make believe that we picked up Amare instead of Nene in 2002, and imagine that Randolph stayed in an extra year and came out last year, and we picked him up at #8.

I like the mix of players that we have on this team, and we still have a lot of cap flexibility.

Despite striking out with James, I think we have an interesting year to look forward to, with some opportunities to improve even more next year.

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BasketballJones
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7/9/2010  1:26 PM
This discussion will go on. Until the Knicks put together a decent season it doesn't make much sense to claim success. I really think the Knicks need a winning season and a playoff appearance next season. Otherwise it would be very hard to argue that even plan B or C was successful.
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Paladin55
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7/9/2010  1:31 PM
BasketballJones wrote:This discussion will go on. Until the Knicks put together a decent season it doesn't make much sense to claim success. I really think the Knicks need a winning season and a playoff appearance next season. Otherwise it would be very hard to argue that even plan B or C was successful.

Yup.

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7/9/2010  1:38 PM
Walsh has done a good job bringing in some young guys with upside. I like the team. I still think the Knicks gave up way too much in the Hill trade. Aaron Brooks was just on Rome's show and said Hill is a great player. Hill was never given a shot by D'Antoni so I don't think it is fair to pass judgement on him. D'Antoni also isn't a rebuilding coach. Douglas and Hill couldn't buy a minute from him until Walsh traveled with the team in March.
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7/9/2010  1:39 PM
the draft is a very important tool in building a team, but people here like to hold it as some mystical magical means and the only way to win a title. Its so silly.

I mean you could win a top pick, you could draft the best player and for every Durant and Kobe there are a a dozen others the just dont work. Imagine being lucky enough to draft Lebron, Yao, Oden... surefire franchise players. Hows it worked out for those teams?

We could do this all day... but we are building something really good. If the Knicks can upgrade the backcourt, namely get a dymanic passer we are a really strong up and coming team

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7/9/2010  1:44 PM
I would've signed off on this roster as a consolation prize for missing out on Bron! We have a team full of talented youth and capspace! That's always the goal so even tho there's no quick ticket to the playoffs or finals, we're setup for the future fairly well.

Here's hoping they gel and win enough to reach the playoffs and do well. This is a team NY Fans can embrace.
Moonangie
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7/9/2010  1:47 PM
BasketballJones wrote:This discussion will go on. Until the Knicks put together a decent season it doesn't make much sense to claim success. I really think the Knicks need a winning season and a playoff appearance next season. Otherwise it would be very hard to argue that even plan B or C was successful.

True dat. And I am confident we will.
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7/9/2010  2:04 PM
Bippity10 wrote:Look at our roster
Amare Stoudemire
Anthony Randolph
Danilo GAllinari
Toney Douglas
Bill Walker
Wilson Chandler
3 rookies

If we had "built through the draft" we would have been thrilled(and lucky) to have our roster look like this. For 2 years we whined and moaned and biotched about our management team sacrificing our future for Lebron James. But now when I look at our roster I see one proven star, 2 of the top players from the 2008 draft(both under 22 years of age), two late first round possible steals, and 2nd rounder with lottery potential. We have the exact team that everyone was asking for, plus salary cap space. I understand being upset with not getting Lebron, but have the last two years really been miserable failures? Have we really "sacrificed our future"? Are we missing the fact that this team is really rebuilding?


We could have built through the draft AND had those players (maybe with the exception of Amare depending on how much cap room the team had after building through the draft). But we'd also have the players we lost out on in all the picks we gave up over the years.
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7/9/2010  2:42 PM
I hope that MDA has the humility to take a look at how Scotty Brooks and skiles used a deeper rotation that really worked well. Develop while you contribute --play hard both ways and play through rough patches at times as long as you are going hard--example jennings

Our strength should be youth speed size and depth--we should be able to wear down opponents--we haev many mismatch players--thats why I pray we get Livingston---we can make it incredibly hard to match up with us with two 6-8 guys in the backcourt--then bring speed off the bench

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7/9/2010  3:09 PM
Maybe we could trade coaches with Miami? MDA would be perfect to carry the South Beach lifestyle to practices and the court.

Hey, they might even fill some of the seats during home play off games with MDA's SSOL offense & the talent they have their now.
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7/9/2010  3:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2010  3:14 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I hope that MDA has the humility to take a look at how Scotty Brooks and skiles used a deeper rotation that really worked well. Develop while you contribute --play hard both ways and play through rough patches at times as long as you are going hard--example jennings

Our strength should be youth speed size and depth--we should be able to wear down opponents--we haev many mismatch players--thats why I pray we get Livingston---we can make it incredibly hard to match up with us with two 6-8 guys in the backcourt--then bring speed off the bench

Briggs, I agree with you again. I've been saying that all last year. It will be easier to do this year as we don't have veterans who warrant/demand a lot of playing time.
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7/9/2010  4:29 PM
Markji wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I hope that MDA has the humility to take a look at how Scotty Brooks and skiles used a deeper rotation that really worked well. Develop while you contribute --play hard both ways and play through rough patches at times as long as you are going hard--example jennings

Our strength should be youth speed size and depth--we should be able to wear down opponents--we haev many mismatch players--thats why I pray we get Livingston---we can make it incredibly hard to match up with us with two 6-8 guys in the backcourt--then bring speed off the bench

Briggs, I agree with you again. I've been saying that all last year. It will be easier to do this year as we don't have veterans who warrant/demand a lot of playing time.

A lot of the veterans last year didn't warrant playing time yet they still played - off the street Bender comes to mind

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7/9/2010  6:29 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:This discussion will go on. Until the Knicks put together a decent season it doesn't make much sense to claim success. I really think the Knicks need a winning season and a playoff appearance next season. Otherwise it would be very hard to argue that even plan B or C was successful.

Yup.

Would the same be true if we went the "building through the draft route"? We would be looking for a winning season this year?

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7/9/2010  6:45 PM
and if we built thru the draft by not trading our picks and drafting properly our team might look like this

amare
aldrige
noah
granger
jennings

flexibility baby..building a contender thru the draft
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