izybx wrote:Its a bad question. Would someone who was born in Buffalo NY feel loyalty to NYC? I dont think so, the same way I dont feel loyalty to Buffalo. Lebrons not from Cleveland kiddo. Second, Cleveland is a crap hole, and Ohio sucks in general. I lived in Ohio for 6 years (stationed there in the army and then attended Ohio State University) and Im telling you, that place sucks. For a superstar I would think that it would be even worse. Look Playa, lebrons coming, so you should just start accepting it

My question would be yes if there is no pro basketball team in Buffalo NY. Lebron is not from Cleveland but all his relatives and family are from OHIO. As a superstar like Lebron he now owns the STATE not just the city he was born in (AKRON).

playa2 wrote:

izybx wrote:Its a bad question. Would someone who was born in Buffalo NY feel loyalty to NYC? I dont think so, the same way I dont feel loyalty to Buffalo. Lebrons not from Cleveland kiddo. Second, Cleveland is a crap hole, and Ohio sucks in general. I lived in Ohio for 6 years (stationed there in the army and then attended Ohio State University) and Im telling you, that place sucks. For a superstar I would think that it would be even worse. Look Playa, lebrons coming, so you should just start accepting it

My question would be yeas if there is no pro basketball team in Buffalo NY. Lebron is not from Cleveland but all his relatives and family are from OHIO. As a superstar you know own the STATE

Most superstars care about winning and money. I have no idea why being darling of the state would trump either of those needs.

All i'm asking is would you all consider him to be foolish? Probably not ! When you are young you go for the money (KG) for example, but when you get older you tend to want to just win because the window of opportunity is closing very fast. When you are young you get the money 1st, but as you get older you're more focused on getting a ring before you retire.

If the people in the State adopted you as their own why wouldn't feel like a representative of the state. NYC is not for every major sports figure to play on the hometown team. Many stars love to play there but wouldn't like representing the hometown team
for various reasons. When Lebron goes out in Cleveland it was said he wasn't harassed by fans or paparazzis, could or would that be the same while in NY ?

playa2 wrote:Some young people are very fond of loyalty, especially when the team you are now with can pay you more than any other team in the association.

All i'm asking is would you all consider him to be foolish. When you are young you go for the money (KG) for example, but when you get older you tend to want to just when because the window of opportunity is closing very fast. When you are young you get the money when you get older , you're most focused on getting a ring before you retire.

If the people in the State adopted you as their own why wouldn't feel like a representative of the state. NYC is not for every major sports figure to play on the hometown team. Many stars love to play there but wouldn't like representing the hometown team
for various reasons. When Lebron goes out in Clevelannd it was said he wasn't harassed by fans or paparazzis, could or would that be the same while in NY ?

You really want him to stay there don't you? Then you can say you told us so? Whatever rocks your boat dude.

If you would ask him today what team he would dream to play for he would no doubt say THE NEW YORK KNICKS. His father told me all he wanted on draft night was to hear the knicks call his name. He played in the garden as a collegiate athlete for two yrs and loved playing in the atmosphere and loved the city.

CrushAlot wrote:I think if the Knicks had gotten Elton Brand and had him for the start of his career and then he left to go to the Lakers or Bulls I think he would be hated forever in NY. Elton grew up 30 miles outside of NY and was the number one pick so I think he is the best example of that type of player.

Thanks Crushalot, you gave the best example of what I was trying to say.

I know most of us will say who cares, but I really think Lebron is concerned about his image. Everything seems rehearsed. So with that said, I think Lebron makes the safest pick and stays in Cleveland.

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loweyecue wrote:I am saking you if you want him here, there isn't anything personal about that. What is irritating is that you and a few others only seem to care about explaining why he won't come here and it seems more and more like you would be satisfied if it became a self fulfilling prophecy.

Its not like you have a window to his thought process you just want to bring up more reasons for him to not come here.
He has always mainatined he wants to win and he has publicly stated his goal to be a billionaire, the choice is simple and clear on both those. He has never said anything about staying in Ohio to represent the state for the next 15 years. He can represent ohio whereve he goes.

Name just one fan in the whole NBA if they wouldn't want Lebron James to come to their favorite team and the answer as mine would be yes.

What NBA superstar has mentioned anything other than winning being the most important thing while in their prime when asked. If the knicks would have dropped salary and at the same time drafted for needs(Jennings) that would have made the lure for Lebron and others more attractive. Nobody said anything about him staying in Cleveland for the next 15 yrs. Did KG stay in Minnesota for 15 yrs while losing ? NO Did he always mention how he wanted to win yes. So after he made the big money going to another team to potential win a title was a no brainer for him even though he was traded. Most guys come to NY now a days to get paid(DOLAN-ISIAH syndrome) , and not to win a championship. The franchise's they left took them as far as they could go before they think about coming to NY and getting big bucks before they retire.

Sure it would be wonderful to get paid big money and win a title in the NBA while playing for the NEW YORK KNICKS. But when has that happen ?????

Who cares what most guys used to come to NY for or whether it happened in the past or not? The whole argument is Lebron is the type of player that can bring winning back to NY isn't it? If he doesn't have the courage and the confidence to do that then he is being a wimp, plain and simple.

Our franchise has hit the lows of the LA clippers, when it comes to performance. What roster would most knicks fans want ours or the Clippers, many would cut off their right arm for the roster they now have. Only problem is the clippers franchise appears to be cursed. 20 yrs ago maybe they were cursed when they escaped out of Buffalo NY in the middle of the night. Here's how that went.

The Buffalo Braves are purchased by John Y. Brown former owner of the Kentucky Colonels in the now defunct ABA for $6.2 million. As part of an agreement with former owner Paul Snyder, Brown would give Snyder money received in player deals to reduce the purchase price. The sell off would begin shortly after the season started as the Braves sold MOSES MALONE who they acquired in a trade with the Portland Trailblazers after the ABA dispersal draft to the Houston Rockets, it would continue into the season as BOB MCADOO is sold to the New York Knicks. While the deals helped Brown pay virtually nothing for the franchise it turned an up and coming franchise into garbage. Attendance would fall off severally as the Braves finished in 4th place with an awful 30-52 record. The only ray of hope would come as Adrian Dantley captured Rookie of the Year honors with 20.3 ppg. However ADRIAN DANTLEY himself would be traded following the season to the Indiana Pacer for Billy Knight.

1977/78: Going in to the season the Braves would get an escape clause in their lease, as season ticket sales did not reach the set goal of 4,500. The Braves would get dealt another blow asNATE tiny ARCHIBALD who they acquired from the New Jersey Nets for George Johnson is lost during preseason to a seasons ending Achilles tendon injury. The depleted Braves would play competitive basketball in November holding a 10-10 record. However they would win just 9 games combined over the next 3 months. While the Braves were struggling on the court their owner John Y. Brown was brokering a deal to take over the Boston Celtics. Irv Levin who owned the Celtics wanted to move the historic franchise to California. However, the NBA would not allow him to take the cornerstone franchise out of Boston. NBA Lawyer David Stern would propose a novel comprise in which Levin and Brown swapped franchise with Levin taking over the Braves and moving them to San Diego. The Braves would go on to finish in 4th place with a 27-55 record, ironically playing their last game on April 9th in Boston. Owners would go on to vote 21-1 to approve the deal, and the braves move to San Diego. The deal also included a complicated 7-player trade in which the Celtics acquired Tiny Archibald, Billy Knight, and Marvin Barnes. While the team formerly known as Braves received Freeman Williams, back-up center Kevin Kunnert, and power forwards Kermit Washington and Sidney Wicks. The team would not request a draft pick in the deal allowing the Celtics to retain the draft rights to Larry Bird.

1978-Present: John Y. Brown remains owner of the Celtics while the new San Diego Clippers struggled before moving to Los Angeles in 1984, where they set new standards in incompetence. Meanwhile there has not been any talk of a return to Buffalo for a NBA franchise.