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David Lee still visiting 'Sota tomorrow even though their cap room is now 7 mill. Tells me Wolves are ready to trade Jefferson or Sessions.

Would people take Sessions back for DLee? We could get a TPE from Minnie, but I think it would compromise our chances at the second max slot.

I'd certainly take the rights to young mr. Rubio...

crzymdups wrote:

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David Lee still visiting 'Sota tomorrow even though their cap room is now 7 mill. Tells me Wolves are ready to trade Jefferson or Sessions.

Would people take Sessions back for DLee? We could get a TPE from Minnie, but I think it would compromise our chances at the second max slot.

I'd certainly take the rights to young mr. Rubio...

walsh i think did a good thing passing on sessions already. rubio would make that interesting. gm-minn seems like a clown so getter done FO.

AnubisADL wrote:Would love to get Jefferson for David Lee.

I would be happy just taking our own guy back

AnubisADL wrote:Would love to get Jefferson for David Lee.

your dream team starts with Arenas and jefferson, doesn't it?

Im not really for it

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Would love to get Jefferson for David Lee.

your dream team starts with Arenas and jefferson, doesn't it?

No but I think we could make the playoffs with Jefferson(C), Amare(PF), Gallo(SF), Chandler(SG), and Arenas(PG).

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Would love to get Jefferson for David Lee.

your dream team starts with Arenas and jefferson, doesn't it?

No but I think we could make the playoffs with Jefferson(C), Amare(PF), Gallo(SF), Chandler(SG), and Arenas(PG).

i think jefferson/amare is more redundant that dlee/amare.

and there's no way arenas + jefferson + amare fits under our cap, even if eddy's deal is going out...

and arenas is done done done.

KnicksSince88 wrote:If we get Amare, we're gonna need a defensive presence with him at the 4 or 5 to make it work. Amare+Lee or Amare+Jefferson would be a disaster on the interior defensively. And if you're frontcourt can't protect the rim defensively, its impossible to be a good defensive team, and teams who aren't good defensively have a definite ceiling on their success level

Name me a team who has won a title with a 4/5 as weak defensively as Amare+Lee or Amare+Jefferson

We were desperatly need to improve our D is to keep opposing wings out of the paint and the lane.

This is why I have been very pro Mike Miller, and even open to Joe Johnson. I think if you get a legit ball handler it takes pressure of Douglas running the offense and he's a great defender of opposing PGs.

I think getting douglas on the floor for defense (his shooting/scoring were solid too) is the easiest way to improve our overall defense.

fishmike wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:If we get Amare, we're gonna need a defensive presence with him at the 4 or 5 to make it work. Amare+Lee or Amare+Jefferson would be a disaster on the interior defensively. And if you're frontcourt can't protect the rim defensively, its impossible to be a good defensive team, and teams who aren't good defensively have a definite ceiling on their success level

Name me a team who has won a title with a 4/5 as weak defensively as Amare+Lee or Amare+Jefferson

not really. Amare guards the post just fine. Its help he stinks at. Even Lee can put his body on a guy and clean the glass, the problem with defense was the opposing guards lived in the paint and made it too easy for other bigs to score in motion.

We were desperatly need to improve our D is to keep opposing wings out of the paint and the lane.

This is why I have been very pro Mike Miller, and even open to Joe Johnson. I think if you get a legit ball handler it takes pressure of Douglas running the offense and he's a great defender of opposing PGs.

I think getting douglas on the floor for defense (his shooting/scoring were solid too) is the easiest way to improve our overall defense.

Part of the reason teams live in the paint is because they had no deterrent to attack the rim at will. If our frontline was Amare+Lee, they still wouldn't. We need a presence on the interior defensively badly.

fishmike wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

KnicksSince88 wrote:If we get Amare, we're gonna need a defensive presence with him at the 4 or 5 to make it work. Amare+Lee or Amare+Jefferson would be a disaster on the interior defensively. And if you're frontcourt can't protect the rim defensively, its impossible to be a good defensive team, and teams who aren't good defensively have a definite ceiling on their success level

Name me a team who has won a title with a 4/5 as weak defensively as Amare+Lee or Amare+Jefferson

not really. Amare guards the post just fine. Its help he stinks at. Even Lee can put his body on a guy and clean the glass, the problem with defense was the opposing guards lived in the paint and made it too easy for other bigs to score in motion.

We were desperatly need to improve our D is to keep opposing wings out of the paint and the lane.

This is why I have been very pro Mike Miller, and even open to Joe Johnson. I think if you get a legit ball handler it takes pressure of Douglas running the offense and he's a great defender of opposing PGs.

I think getting douglas on the floor for defense (his shooting/scoring were solid too) is the easiest way to improve our overall defense.

Part of the reason teams live in the paint is because they had no deterrent to attack the rim at will. If our frontline was Amare+Lee, they still wouldn't. We need a presence on the interior defensively badly.

15 years ago I agree 100%. The rules and the game have changed. We need speed and length on the perimeter. MVP for the Celtics was Rondo, his defense impacted the playoffs more than anything. He totally phucked up Jameer Nelson. You can win with Amare and Lee because they both score at 55% and the both rebound. Amare also blocks some shots (he averaged over 2 at least one season).

Also your enforcer types are easier get. That can be a bench guy... you start with the skills guys first and build around.

But you MUST MUST MUST have defense on the perimeter. Thats why Gallo's development was so key. Watching him go after guys like Carmelo Anthony. Sure, Anthony torched him but Gallo took it like he needed to work hard and get better. He WANTS that challenge. Chandler, Gallo and Douglas are a start, and Douglas is the key IMO, but we need another playmaker ball handler out there. Douglas isnt ready to start without help IMO.

Obviously LBJ is the key

Heres the thing though. David Lee is a beyond brutal defensive player. And should he play with Amare, its not as simple as thinking that both playing together they are going to get their normal offensive+rebounding numbers, and both be roughly 20-10 guys together. It just doesn't work that way. Look at how David Lee was performing when we had Zack here, and then how he emerged once we shipped him out. Bringing in Amare diminishes Lee's value offensively, but still keeps his defensive warts in place