Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking.

He missed one year (played 3 games) because of the knee injury. Since comeing back from that his knee has been healthy. The only other time he missed games was because of the eye thing which is freakish and certainly not a wear and tear type concern. He's 27. Look at his play for the last 4 years. He will block some shots, plays excellent m2m defense, draws tons of FTs, shoots a Shaq like FG% and puts his will on the game. The guy is one of the best bigs and unlike Bosh has proven he can carry a team for months at a time and come up big in deep playoff runs.

Amare is a guy you max out if your the Knicks regardless of who else you can get.

If the guy signs I think it puts BIG pressure on Lebron to come here. You give him a 5 time all star frontcourt player in his prime around a bunch of shooters.

Can you imagine how easy it will be for Gallo, Douglas and Chandler to score with Lebron and Amare on the floor?

I can tell you this.. god forbid we sign those two, the perception on the lack of talent on the Knicks will drastically change after people see Chandler, Gallo and Douglas play with star quality players.

islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking. There's probably a really good reason why Phoenix won't go over 4 years for him.

Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

The gamble wont pay off. Lebron is not coming and you know that. They may sign a couple of players but you know as well as I do that whatever players they get wont be enough to bring us a championship. The plan should have been to target the draft for rebuilding. Only going to free agency after we have drafted a championship level player. Only a fool would have thought that this Knick plan would have succeeded.

islesfan wrote:

fishmike wrote:

islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking.

you look at his career. Amare is a max player. Its not even debatable.

He missed one year (played 3 games) because of the knee injury. Since comeing back from that his knee has been healthy. The only other time he missed games was because of the eye thing which is freakish and certainly not a wear and tear type concern. He's 27. Look at his play for the last 4 years. He will block some shots, plays excellent m2m defense, draws tons of FTs, shoots a Shaq like FG% and puts his will on the game. The guy is one of the best bigs and unlike Bosh has proven he can carry a team for months at a time and come up big in deep playoff runs.

Amare is a guy you max out if your the Knicks regardless of who else you can get.

If the guy signs I think it puts BIG pressure on Lebron to come here. You give him a 5 time all star frontcourt player in his prime around a bunch of shooters.

Can you imagine how easy it will be for Gallo, Douglas and Chandler to score with Lebron and Amare on the floor?

I can tell you this.. god forbid we sign those two, the perception on the lack of talent on the Knicks will drastically change after people see Chandler, Gallo and Douglas play with star quality players.

Then why won't the only team Stoudemire's played for, max him out?

I don't think signing him puts any sort of pressure on LeBron. Why would it?

I agree with you, if LeBron can make Daniel Gibson look good, he should do wonders for Chandler, Gallinari and Douglas. I hope it happens. I'm tired of bitching about how stupid this organization is.

You act like the Knicks are the only team that makes stupid decisions!

If I had to speculate Pho has always been a good FA destination. My 'guess' would be the Suns dont want a big max contract on the books for 3 years after Nash hangs it up. They would probably want to take 2-3 years of drafting and cap flexibility to rebuild. But who knows?

fishmike wrote:

islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking.

you look at his career. Amare is a max player. Its not even debatable.

He missed one year (played 3 games) because of the knee injury. Since comeing back from that his knee has been healthy. The only other time he missed games was because of the eye thing which is freakish and certainly not a wear and tear type concern. He's 27. Look at his play for the last 4 years. He will block some shots, plays excellent m2m defense, draws tons of FTs, shoots a Shaq like FG% and puts his will on the game. The guy is one of the best bigs and unlike Bosh has proven he can carry a team for months at a time and come up big in deep playoff runs.

Amare is a guy you max out if your the Knicks regardless of who else you can get.

If the guy signs I think it puts BIG pressure on Lebron to come here. You give him a 5 time all star frontcourt player in his prime around a bunch of shooters.

Can you imagine how easy it will be for Gallo, Douglas and Chandler to score with Lebron and Amare on the floor?

I can tell you this.. god forbid we sign those two, the perception on the lack of talent on the Knicks will drastically change after people see Chandler, Gallo and Douglas play with star quality players.

Word. If we sign Amare, Lebron would be an idyot to sign with the Nets or Bulls. Our players are perfect complements to his game. Lebron and Amare on the P&R, with kick outs all over the perimeter to players who can either shoot or drive... SOLID!

Listen to me Donnie Walsh...

P A N I C ! ! !

loweyecue wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Like Walsh is gonna listen to you guys.

Listen to me Donnie Walsh...

P A N I C ! ! !

Weren't you supposed to log in as AnubisADL first??

Nope. Then I'd post:

SIGN ARENAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking. There's probably a really good reason why Phoenix won't go over 4 years for him.

Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

bro, Donnie Walsh was panicking months ago when he made the T-Mac trade... at this point we're completely invested in making this plan of his work... he has no choice but to offer Amare the max cuz he knows Lebron ain't coming here to play with a buncha guys who could do no better than win 30 something games for the past several years... but you're absolutely right, about the other stuff... if you thought you were rough on Isiah, you don't wanna see what's gonna be said about Donnie Walsh if his plan doesn't work.

Uptown wrote:

TMS wrote:

islesfan wrote:If he's offered Stoudemire a max contract, he's already panicking. There's probably a really good reason why Phoenix won't go over 4 years for him.

Johnson is likely staying in Atlanta for the max, Wade is staying in Miami and Bosh is likely to join him there. That leave LeBron and Stoudemire as the biggest free agents. They know they can't get LeBron unless they already have Stoudemire in the bag. But even if they get Stoudemire, there's no guarantee LeBron will sign.

This 2 year plan could be a failure of epic proportions, similar to the Isiah years. They've gutted their team, traded away future #1 picks, all in the hope of signing this guy. If he doesn't come here, it's going to get really ugly. And Walsh knows this.

If LeBron signs here then everything will be great. Even I'll be extremely happy and sing the Knicks praises. But if the gamble doesn't pay off, watch out.

bro, Donnie Walsh was panicking months ago when he made the T-Mac trade... at this point we're completely invested in making this plan of his work... he has no choice but to offer Amare the max cuz he knows Lebron ain't coming here to play with a buncha guys who could do no better than win 30 something games for the past several years... but you're absolutely right, about the other stuff... if you thought you were rough on Isiah, you don't wanna see what's gonna be said about Donnie Walsh if his plan doesn't work.

Wasn't the whole point of the trade for TMac, to open up another max cap slot so we could offer it too allstars like Amare, Bosh, etc? I dont see this as a panic move at all. We all knew that their was no way Lebron was coming to play by himself when we only had one slot available.

if we had $27M in cap space along with our next 2 1st round picks & Hill along with David Lee's Bird Rights, u don't think we'd have the ammo necessary to get a sign & trade deal done? right now we're forced to offer max contracts to guys with shaky injury histories because we got nothing else to fall back on... Donnie's been in panic mode for months.