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1/14/2004  2:22 PM
This is a business and if you dont perform well for the money you are getting paid you are going to be put to shame. I dont care about Isiah is treating Chaney because chaney is still going to get a million dollars out of this. I have seen people who run a business be bigger hypocrites so for the Knicks to fire him like this is not that bad. They are still giving him his money. If he knew how to coach he wouldn't have to deal with the bad treatement.

The NBA is a business so as long as every1 makes money all treatment is fair. Chaney could've been treated better obviously but Isiah is doing nothing wrong in the way he is doing his thing. Ppl can feel bad all they want but they cannot say Chaney didn't have this comming. How about feeling bad for Ernie Grunfield who was unfairly accused?
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1/14/2004  2:28 PM
This stuff happens all the time in sports. Cris Russo doesn't like Isiah and exaggerates the smallest thing. Chaney will be more hurt by the Fire Chaney chants in the garden than how he is let go by Isiah.
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1/14/2004  2:29 PM
and as usual mike and dog are focusing on the minor details instead of looking at the big picture which they never do when they talk knicks.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 01/14/2004 14:30:37]
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1/14/2004  2:31 PM
your thread title and post disagree with each other.

I would disagree with the statement about 'Chaney could have been treated better'. He could have only been treated better by the fans... but that is a stretch.
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1/14/2004  2:32 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

and as usual mike and dog are focusing on the minor details instead of looking at the big picture as they usually do when they talk knicks.
Exactly. They are saying they couldn't gaurd the Mavericks Man to Man and the zone is better! I, as a die hard knick fan dont care how chaney is being treated. I wonder how Mutombo feels when his coach says, "check the tape he couldn't guard anyone on the court."
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1/14/2004  2:39 PM
Posted by martin:

your thread title and post disagree with each other.
I forgot the "?!?". I was rushing for no reason. I woudl like to edit it if I can.
I would disagree with the statement about 'Chaney could have been treated better'. He could have only been treated better by the fans... but that is a stretch.
I'm not sure I know what you mean. This stuff happens all the time and the only reason its such a big deal today is because Cris Russo on a radio show doesn't like Isiah and used to like Layden a lot.
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1/14/2004  2:43 PM
I actually think that Thomas is doing a poor job handling this situatuion. I don't think the speculation and rumors are fair to Chaney. Granted I belive he isn't doing a great job and I agree that he should be replaced, but he still deserves the highest respect and professionalism like anybody else. If he's to be fired, then get on with it. It's not fair to him or the team to have all of these rumors flying around for weeks and not address them one way or another. They should look to the Giants this year as an example. He was fired with several games left. At least he knew for sure.

Here's a quote from Chaney found on ESPN:

Without hearing anything one way or another is a sign of disrespect to a degree," Chaney said. "If that's the case, I think management should at least communicate to me just out of respect."
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1/14/2004  2:49 PM
I dont think they wanted to do it this way LoveSpree. They didnt expect for this to be so much of a common knowledge. I dont know why we should feel bad for him for getting fired in a bad way. He must feel worse having to hear his own fans chant Fire Chaney in his own house. The fans dont care, we never cared. We are talking about it now because of a stupid radio show host who doesnt follow basketball that much.
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1/14/2004  2:53 PM
There is no "good" way to handle this situation. Isiah should have fired Chaney the day he was hired simply because he was too big a part of the Layden karma.

Zeke didnt want to do that... he wanted to give Chaney a fair evaluation period, and what it turned into was "when is he getting fired."

Yes.. the way it went down was ugly and unfair to Don who's been a good soldier.

By giving Don time to get some wins and turn things around really all he did was drag out something that should have been done a long time ago.
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1/14/2004  2:54 PM
I'm not as angry about him being treated unfairly as I am about giving him a chance to screw another game up. Why are they letting him coach against Orlando? Thats ridiculous! Fire him right now. He is incompetant.
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1/14/2004  2:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:

There is no "good" way to handle this situation. Isiah should have fired Chaney the day he was hired simply because he was too big a part of the Layden karma.

Zeke didnt want to do that... he wanted to give Chaney a fair evaluation period, and what it turned into was "when is he getting fired."

exactly, the other reason Thomas didn't fire Chaney on day 1 (and I think the we need to evaluate statement is a truthful one) is that he needs time to find a coach! You just don't fire someone, have a lame duck roster and assistant coach take over to only replace him 2 weeks later with another person.
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1/14/2004  3:07 PM
And I think Fratello is a good coach. He is not my first choice which would be Doc or Pat Riely or something like that but my last choice would be Doug Collins type of coaches. I think we will make the playoffs easy.
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1/14/2004  3:16 PM
Shoulda, woulda, coulda... Whatever.

Is Chaney gone yet? Isiah should be helping him pack. Maybe now anyone coming in here KNOWS that no one gets treated with kid gloves. You screw up and you are outta here- coach, players, whomever.

They planned to do things differently, but the story got scooped. Life goes on. Zeke will cover the damage control.

As far as that madness that the fans treated him "badly" by booing him... What a crock. Had he gave a damn like he should've, he would have never been booed in the first place. Fans were sick and tired, yet Chaney referred to us as "fickle". Hey Don, are we still "fickle"? LMAO How does it feel to be held accountable for your record NOW? Let's face it: Chaney treated US, the fans, bad. It got to the point where those same fans had to let him, Thomas and Dolan KNOW. It's about time.

Get Chaney outta here. Giive him some Bankers Boxes and let him pack the hell up and GO.

[Edited by - HARDCOREKNICKSFAN on 01/14/2004 15:26:59]
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1/14/2004  4:05 PM
Now if you clowns praise Fratello for a victory over the lowly Magic...Check ya self. This guy has a winning record but I will wait to judge him, but I will judge Thomas. If he and not Dolan prolonged Chaney's coaching tenure in NY HE SHOULD BE ASHAME OF HIMSELF! Didn't Thomas say Bird dropped him as head coach of the Pacers without even giving him a phone call. Thomas vowed he would never do that to a coach, "HE DOESN'T WANT TO HURT, HE WANTS TO HELP" TO ME HE'S A 2 FACED PUPPET OF DOLAN!!

[Edited by - playa2 on 01/14/2004 16:14:11]
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1/14/2004  4:08 PM
Posted by playa2:

Now if you clowns praise Fratello for a victory over the lowly Magic...Check ya self. This guy has a winning record but I will wait to judge him, but I will judge Thomas.
No one is saying Fratello will take us to a Championship. He is just an upgrade over Chaney. Everyone will wait and judge before they say he is really good or really bad. Right now, He is just better than Chaney.
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1/14/2004  4:20 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

[No one is saying Fratello will take us to a Championship. He is just an upgrade over Chaney. Everyone will wait and judge before they say he is really good or really bad. Right now, He is just better than Chaney.

AT this point, who ISN'T better than Chaney!?!?

I am glad he's gone- or at least GOING.
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1/14/2004  4:22 PM
How can you guys not feel the "RESPECT" factor. Chaney took over head coaching duties when Vandummy left them high and dry to rot on Broadway. Now you allow him take all the abuse and crowd chants and let him hang on and then have the nerve to go on the practice court and coach Marbury right in front of the head coach when the knicks already have enough coaches out there? He could have waited until he fired the guy before he pulled that one. Either Zeke has a massive ego, or he just is a two face dude who Larry Bird knew more about than we do.
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1/14/2004  4:25 PM
I agree with you guys. Isiah was fair by giving him a few games when he should've been fired a long time ago, while Layden was still GM and it does take a while to fire and hire a new coach, it doesn't happen overnight. You actually have to interview the new guy first. However they could've fired Chaney earlier this morning and let Malone coach today.
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1/14/2004  4:28 PM
Maybe its being handled this way because its not finalized with Fratello. Anyone think of that? The last thing Zeke can do is can Chaney and have no coach.

Mad Dog is a fruit, he hates thomas and his whole argument is always Thomas ruined the CBA. Hes an idiot. They are already killing Fratello, Mike is pulling his usual this would not have been my choice routine.

Look If Fratello at least tries to get these guys to play defense we are better off.
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1/14/2004  4:33 PM
Fratello is holding out for Guarantee's in his contract, because he knows the feeling of getting run out of town. Tonight is gonna be a circus and Zeke will be the ring leader the fans will provide the peanuts tonight. There is no reason why if he didn't like Chaney's coaching ability that he didn't get rid of him earlier, Instead of standing in the tunnel he should have been on the phone trying to hire another coach.
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