In then end we will have to sign someone and we will do so. It is entirely possible it's a Boozer/JJ or an Okafor trade when the Bosh/Bron sweepstakes run their course.

What you have to wonder is if we returned our team from last year and added Boozer or added JJ (and whoever else) would we be so much better? We'd probably make the playoffs but be mired in 40-45 win territory.

Still, that's far better than the trash we have endured all these years. I can't think of a single fan that would say NO to making the playoffs next year.

Olbrannon wrote:

Cosmic wrote:As to your list, Greek, it's good. I will still say a healthy Elton Brand or Carlos Boozer wouldn't be a bad thing. Yet the rest I do agree with. I like Andre Miller but he's aging so it's not like you build a team with him. He's a late addition to a team you built.

In then end we will have to sign someone and we will do so. It is entirely possible it's a Boozer/JJ or an Okafor trade when the Bosh/Bron sweepstakes run their course.

What you have to wonder is if we returned our team from last year and added Boozer or added JJ (and whoever else) would we be so much better? We'd probably make the playoffs but be mired in 40-45 win territory.

Still, that's far better than the trash we have endured all these years. I can't think of a single fan that would say NO to making the playoffs next year.

Okaaay- what's your Plan 'B' roster look like?...may need it.

I am no expert and in this case I don't even want to field a guess on something so fluid with so many factors.

What I do know is that there is a multitude of free agents out there to be had. Even when the big 3 are off the board it is still a very good free agent crop (including our own DLee).

In that I am confident we will be a much improved team next year even if we strike out on the big fish. We will be in the playoffs. What happens from there I do not even have a thought.

Through all the bashing we do have a few nice players here. Lee, Gallo, Douglas, and even Chandler despite how much I get on him. And like it or not (I don't like it) Harrington isn't that bad of a player overall. If we returned last year's team and somehow added Bosh or Boozer or Joe Johnson? We're in the playoffs.

I think that is the worst of the reality. Would it be all that bad? Not for one year.

Marv wrote:i don't want any part of the players on your second list, but i would definitely consider almost everyone from your first:
Rudy Gay
David Lee
Carlos Boozer
Raymond Felton
Joe Johnson
Amare Stoudemire

these are all ballers. not perfect players, not preferable to lebron, wade, bosh and dirk. but haven't we seen the last 2 years who's available on the "one year rentals?" it ain't working guys. and after having whiffed on all the preferred fa's this year we'd then continue to operate on the same program but somehow believe that it'll all turn out differently the next year? and all this without our own #1 for the next 2 years? no thanks.

So...instead of SSOL you would try to model the Detroit Pistons with Dumars'?

Chris Broussard of ESPN is reporting that the Knicks are high on Joe Johnson's list of potential free-agent destinations.

"Plugged-in sources saying Knicks high on Joe Johnson's list of teams," Broussard wrote on his Twitter page.

The Knicks have enough cap room to sign two max-level free agents and Johnson might be an option should LeBron James and Dwyane Wade sign elsewhere.

Via Chris Broussard/ESPN (via Twitter)

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67486/20100627/knicks_high_on_joe_johnsons_list/#ixzz0s41MpeGv

Cosmic wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

Cosmic wrote:As to your list, Greek, it's good. I will still say a healthy Elton Brand or Carlos Boozer wouldn't be a bad thing. Yet the rest I do agree with. I like Andre Miller but he's aging so it's not like you build a team with him. He's a late addition to a team you built.

In then end we will have to sign someone and we will do so. It is entirely possible it's a Boozer/JJ or an Okafor trade when the Bosh/Bron sweepstakes run their course.

What you have to wonder is if we returned our team from last year and added Boozer or added JJ (and whoever else) would we be so much better? We'd probably make the playoffs but be mired in 40-45 win territory.

Still, that's far better than the trash we have endured all these years. I can't think of a single fan that would say NO to making the playoffs next year.

Okaaay- what's your Plan 'B' roster look like?...may need it.

I am no expert and in this case I don't even want to field a guess on something so fluid with so many factors.

What I do know is that there is a multitude of free agents out there to be had. Even when the big 3 are off the board it is still a very good free agent crop (including our own DLee).

In that I am confident we will be a much improved team next year even if we strike out on the big fish. We will be in the playoffs. What happens from there I do not even have a thought.

Through all the bashing we do have a few nice players here. Lee, Gallo, Douglas, and even Chandler despite how much I get on him. And like it or not (I don't like it) Harrington isn't that bad of a player overall. If we returned last year's team and somehow added Bosh or Boozer or Joe Johnson? We're in the playoffs.

I think that is the worst of the reality. Would it be all that bad? Not for one year.

Okay, under no circumstances do we want Duhon back. No blind loyalty form . We also do not take Giddens. Fields will be an adequate replacement and less erratic. Eddie Hous, need to show... nah, forget him Sergio has taken care of himself. Lee, Harrington, Walker and Barron will do.

Childs2Dudley wrote:I made this topic, which is pretty self-explanatory, to see the consensus opinion on certain free agents. I'm one of the people that really thinks if we do not get either LeBron James or Chris Bosh that we failed badly. No other free agent on the market is a franchise guy and pairing them together wont make us one. But I'll stop talking and start the list:

Rudy Gay - No to max, no in general
David Lee - No to max, no in general
Carlos Boozer - No to max, no in general
Raymond Felton - No (unless all we're trading is Eddy Curry)
Joe Johnson - Hell no to max, possibly yes in general if he takes paycut
Kyle Korver - Obvious no to max, no in general (clear sign we failed this offseason)
Ray Allen - No to max, maybe in general if he signs for a small amount of money

Under certain circumstances: Amare Stoudemire - No (if he signs with Joe Johnson...recreating an older version of the Suns in NY would be sad)

Players available that we can acquire via trade that I want no part of:

Gilbert Arenas
Monta Ellis
Baron Davis
Elton Brand
Hedo Turkoglu
Andre Miller
Jason Kapono
Mo Williams
TJ Ford
Tyson Chandler
Peja Stojakovic
Al Jefferson

More will be added to the list later.

say what you want but, pretty much every team Andre went to got better. With the 76ers, he out DAntoni'ed Mike at his own running game.

I would add Bobcats Spenser to the list because I don't trust guys that take statistical leaps right before free agency.

Childs2Dudley wrote:I made this topic, which is pretty self-explanatory, to see the consensus opinion on certain free agents. I'm one of the people that really thinks if we do not get either LeBron James or Chris Bosh that we failed badly. No other free agent on the market is a franchise guy and pairing them together wont make us one. But I'll stop talking and start the list:

Rudy Gay - No to max, no in general
David Lee - No to max, no in general
Carlos Boozer - No to max, no in general
Raymond Felton - No (unless all we're trading is Eddy Curry)
Joe Johnson - Hell no to max, possibly yes in general if he takes paycut
Kyle Korver - Obvious no to max, no in general (clear sign we failed this offseason)
Ray Allen - No to max, maybe in general if he signs for a small amount of money

Under certain circumstances: Amare Stoudemire - No (if he signs with Joe Johnson...recreating an older version of the Suns in NY would be sad)

Players available that we can acquire via trade that I want no part of:

Gilbert Arenas
Monta Ellis
Baron Davis
Elton Brand
Hedo Turkoglu
Andre Miller
Jason Kapono
Mo Williams
TJ Ford
Tyson Chandler
Peja Stojakovic
Al Jefferson

More will be added to the list later.

If Lebron/Wade and Bosh all turn us down and opt to play elsewhere...Give me your plan moving forward for the knicks...

tj23 wrote:So if we miss on lebron/wade/bosh or whoever is on the top of your list, what is the plan? strike out on melo next year? The way I see it is if we dont get anyone this year it's not gonna be different in 2011. we might as well sign some players for reasonable deals and just continue to build through the draft.

you can't really look to build through the draft when you no longer own the rights to your next 2 1st round picks... this is why Donnie's trade for T-Mac put us in a horribly tenuous position... it's all or nothing this summer & if we strike out on the big names, we're almost forced to sign 2nd tier talent to overpaid contracts just to be make sure we're competitive next season.