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6/27/2010  2:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2010  3:00 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/sports/basketball/27draft.html?ref=basketball

The LeBron James sweepstakes will kick off in Ohio on his home turf Thursday as five teams — the Chicago Bulls, the Miami Heat, the Knicks, the Nets and the Los Angeles Clippers — travel there in an attempt to woo James away from the Cleveland Cavaliers, an executive of one of the teams in the hunt said Saturday.

But the meetings might not be much more than a formality. The executive, who did not want to be identified discussing a player who is not yet a free agent, said he had gathered from discussions with his fellow N.B.A. executives that James was strongly leaning toward joining the Bulls in tandem with another free agent, Chris Bosh of the Toronto Raptors.

“I think it’s a done deal,” the executive said.

He said he thought James was going ahead with the meetings in Ohio “to be respectful to all these teams who jumped through these hoops,” a reference to the clubs, like the Knicks, who traded reasonably talented players like Jamal Crawford the last two seasons in an effort to open up as much salary-cap space as possible. But if James and Bosh are indeed going to Chicago, moves like the ones the Knicks made will have been done at least partly in vain.

The executive also said that the Dallas Mavericks were trying to join the Ohio meetings with James. Unlike the other potential suitors, however, the Mavericks are over the salary cap and could obtain James only through a sign-and-trade deal with the Cavaliers.

Even if the Bulls are now perceived to have the inside track, the other teams will make their pitches to James, who has been in the league for seven seasons, all with the Cavaliers, and has yet to win a championship.

But their proposals will be without the flair and drama of a free-agent tour, because James has decided to have everyone come to him. Various teams, like the Knicks, had lined up chefs and celebrities to help attract James, but with the meetings in Ohio, the discussion will be about rosters, not restaurants.

“He is going to make a basketball decision, so all that is unnecessary,” the executive said. “He just saved a lot of people a lot of money.”

In last Thursday’s draft, the effort by a number of teams, including the Bulls, to open up salary-cap space overshadowed the introduction of new players to the league.

On draft night, the Bulls traded Kirk Hinrich, a solid and gritty contributor who had helped them make the playoffs in five of his seven N.B.A. seasons, and the 17th overall draft pick to Washington for a future second-round pick.

It certainly did not make the Bulls a better team on paper, but it did put them $29.2 million under the projected salary cap of $56.1 million for next season.

That in itself is not enough cap room to sign both James and Bosh to maximum free-agent contracts, and it means the Bulls would have to make another move. But the team executive said he felt the Bulls would be able to do so, and if they can land James and Bosh, they will form a formidable core with Joakim Noah and the electrifying point guard Derrick Rose.

As for the Knicks, they are projected to be about $34.15 million below the cap, with the Nets at $27 million and the Heat at $27.6 million if they re-sign Dwyane Wade and waive James Jones. It is unclear what the Knicks and the Nets will do with all that money if they can’t sign James or Bosh and if Wade stays put.

Free agency officially begins at 12:01 a.m. Thursday. Later that day, teams will start meeting with James, although not all of them on the first day.

The Knicks can try to lure him with stories about how he would become even more rich and famous than he already is by playing at Madison Square Garden. However, their best player, David Lee, is about to become a free agent as well, and few other players are under contract.

The Nets can try to convey the buzz being created by their new owner, Mikhail D. Prokhorov, and by their planned move to a yet-to-be-built arena in Brooklyn.

Even the often overmatched Clippers can point to a respectable young core of players.

The Cavaliers can cite loyalty and the comfort of home and the fact that James has already been to the N.B.A. finals once as a Cleveland player. Under the terms of free agency, they can also offer him somewhat more money and an extra contract year — six versus five — compared with the other teams trying to land him. They have talked to James all along, of course, and will continue to do so.

The decision for James to host teams in Ohio was first reported by Yahoo. Maverick Carter, James’s business manager, told ESPN that his client “never planned to go on a tour and has not been a part of any team’s plans for a recruiting trip.”

Instead, he will stay near home and will probably be joined in the meetings by Carter, his agent Leon Rose and his longtime confidante William Wesley. They will listen to everyone, although at this point, it appears they may be listening a little more closely to the Bulls.

So is it time to give up before this even started? Should we throw in the towel?

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6/27/2010  3:04 AM
they went all in, cant stop now.
GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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6/27/2010  3:29 AM
These assumptions the media keeps making are stupid. The Bulls can't do both Lebron and Bosh without help. The knicks actually can do both plus look into adding Vet willing to sign for the chance to win with Bron/Bosh. We have a coach that has won big in this league and while Thibs is a hot name he's not proven anything other than working on D. He's got no real resume in the big chair. Like him or not MDA is the best coach.

The biggest thing in my mind is that idea of walking past MJ's statue every night and having every game you play measured against What MJ did. Here he can play knowing he's the best player this franchise has ever had. The 1st year here just getting deep in the playoffs would be a major accomplishment and accepted by the fans. In Chicago if they fail to win it all the fans and media will say Jordan would've done this or that.

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6/27/2010  3:33 AM
nixluva wrote:These assumptions the media keeps making are stupid. The Bulls can't do both Lebron and Bosh without help. The knicks actually can do both plus look into adding Vet willing to sign for the chance to win with Bron/Bosh. We have a coach that has won big in this league and while Thibs is a hot name he's not proven anything other than working on D. He's got no real resume in the big chair. Like him or not MDA is the best coach.

The biggest thing in my mind is that idea of walking past MJ's statue every night and having every game you play measured against What MJ did. Here he can play knowing he's the best player this franchise has ever had. The 1st year here just getting deep in the playoffs would be a major accomplishment and accepted by the fans. In Chicago if they fail to win it all the fans and media will say Jordan would've done this or that.

How is it an assumption by the media? All of these guys have sources and all of these sources are saying the same thing. In the case of this article, the source is a league executive whose team is actually going to visit LeBron James. So clearly that executive knows more about this than you and I.

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6/27/2010  4:34 AM
nixluva wrote:These assumptions the media keeps making are stupid. The Bulls can't do both Lebron and Bosh without help. The knicks actually can do both plus look into adding Vet willing to sign for the chance to win with Bron/Bosh. We have a coach that has won big in this league and while Thibs is a hot name he's not proven anything other than working on D. He's got no real resume in the big chair. Like him or not MDA is the best coach.

The biggest thing in my mind is that idea of walking past MJ's statue every night and having every game you play measured against What MJ did. Here he can play knowing he's the best player this franchise has ever had. The 1st year here just getting deep in the playoffs would be a major accomplishment and accepted by the fans. In Chicago if they fail to win it all the fans and media will say Jordan would've done this or that.

shaq went to la --> wilt kareem west baylor magic etc... we shall see if lbj cares about measuring up to anyone.

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6/27/2010  6:20 AM
Sidsanders wrote

shaq went to la --> wilt kareem west baylor magic etc... we shall see if lbj cares about measuring up to anyone.


Shaq was compared to Wilt but not that much and he was never compared to anyone else in the history of the Lakers. Jordan is the greatest of all time and Lebron is compared to him constantly if he goes to Chicago he will never get out of Jordans shadow. Lebron wants his own legacy completely separate from Michael's . That being said if he goes to Chicago I will never watch basketball again and I will curse Lebron James for the rest of my days.
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6/27/2010  6:26 AM
nixluva wrote:These assumptions the media keeps making are stupid. The Bulls can't do both Lebron and Bosh without help. The knicks actually can do both plus look into adding Vet willing to sign for the chance to win with Bron/Bosh. We have a coach that has won big in this league and while Thibs is a hot name he's not proven anything other than working on D. He's got no real resume in the big chair. Like him or not MDA is the best coach.

The biggest thing in my mind is that idea of walking past MJ's statue every night and having every game you play measured against What MJ did. Here he can play knowing he's the best player this franchise has ever had. The 1st year here just getting deep in the playoffs would be a major accomplishment and accepted by the fans. In Chicago if they fail to win it all the fans and media will say Jordan would've done this or that.

Actually, the article did address that:

It certainly did not make the Bulls a better team on paper, but it did put them $29.2 million under the projected salary cap of $56.1 million for next season.
That in itself is not enough cap room to sign both James and Bosh to maximum free-agent contracts, and it means the Bulls would have to make another move. But the team executive said he felt the Bulls would be able to do so, and if they can land James and Bosh, they will form a formidable core with Joakim Noah and the electrifying point guard Derrick Rose.

The whole MJ's shadow thing is overhyped. No one knows how LeBron feels about that. Maybe he isn't looking to supplant MJ's legacy and be the GOAT. Maybe he just wants to "be like Mike."

I think LeBron has made up his mind about FA, and this neutral meeting is a way to let teams know not to blow their wad in a huge recruitment tour. Hopefully though, it's the Knicks he made his mind up about, as the part about the Bulls in the article sounds like it's speculation on the executive's part (probably because they have the most appealing roster bar none).

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6/27/2010  7:28 AM
The media has chosen a team any given day and had some exec saying it's a done deal that Bosh/LBJ were heading there. I won't believe it until I see it.

However, the Bulls pulling off that Hinrich trade, has to lead you to believe the Bulls are probably in the driver's seat so to speak.


LBJ Sweepstakes: Based on team moves and media buzz (which is a really dumb thing to count on)
50% Bulls
25% Knicks
24% CLE
1% Elsewhere

I used to think it was 25% Knicks, 74% CLE, 1% elsewhere. Yet things have indeed changed.

I still maintain this however: The Knicks, Heat, Bulls have all made big moves to improve this summer. These three teams are going to rape the FA Market and all three teams are going to improve a great deal.

Not all that worried. It's nice to land the big fish yet if we don't this summers' consolation prizes are pretty damn good in their own right.

Remember, we still have Lee and Gallo. You add some of those "second tier" FAs to those two? You're going to have a pretty damn good team.


Yet, don't ride the media tidal waves. Just don't. Every other day it's Bosh/LBJ done deal to NY - then it's to CHI - then it's to NJ - then it's to MIA - then it's to the Clippers (LMFAO!!!!).

Just ignore it. Let the players land where they may then worry about it if you must.

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6/27/2010  10:11 AM
yesterday the daily news posts a source that says lebron still wants new york. today the new york times posts a source who thinks chicago is a done deal.

best to ignore the static for four more days and wait and see what lebron himself says.

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6/27/2010  10:34 AM
Thats funny--they are sending Tony Soprano--that cool that he would do that. PDiddy was a smart one
well just have to wait and see

Bosh said that he doesnt want to play for a team without a C---I said I thought it was imperative to get Whiteside along with Jordan to make a statement and we couldve accomplished that.

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6/27/2010  11:02 AM
crzymdups is 100% correct. Only LeBron knows. Heck, for all we know, he may not even want to play with Bosh. Bosh may not want to play with him, and might rather be the main guy. Bosh may just want to stay with Toronto. People say they know, but they don't.

There's no way we can quit when we're so close. What would that say to LeBron if we did?

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6/27/2010  11:18 AM
scoshin wrote:
nixluva wrote:These assumptions the media keeps making are stupid. The Bulls can't do both Lebron and Bosh without help. The knicks actually can do both plus look into adding Vet willing to sign for the chance to win with Bron/Bosh. We have a coach that has won big in this league and while Thibs is a hot name he's not proven anything other than working on D. He's got no real resume in the big chair. Like him or not MDA is the best coach.

The biggest thing in my mind is that idea of walking past MJ's statue every night and having every game you play measured against What MJ did. Here he can play knowing he's the best player this franchise has ever had. The 1st year here just getting deep in the playoffs would be a major accomplishment and accepted by the fans. In Chicago if they fail to win it all the fans and media will say Jordan would've done this or that.

Actually, the article did address that:

It certainly did not make the Bulls a better team on paper, but it did put them $29.2 million under the projected salary cap of $56.1 million for next season.
That in itself is not enough cap room to sign both James and Bosh to maximum free-agent contracts, and it means the Bulls would have to make another move. But the team executive said he felt the Bulls would be able to do so, and if they can land James and Bosh, they will form a formidable core with Joakim Noah and the electrifying point guard Derrick Rose.

The whole MJ's shadow thing is overhyped. No one knows how LeBron feels about that. Maybe he isn't looking to supplant MJ's legacy and be the GOAT. Maybe he just wants to "be like Mike."

I think LeBron has made up his mind about FA, and this neutral meeting is a way to let teams know not to blow their wad in a huge recruitment tour. Hopefully though, it's the Knicks he made his mind up about, as the part about the Bulls in the article sounds like it's speculation on the executive's part (probably because they have the most appealing roster bar none).

It didn't really address it. It just says they would be able to make another move. If thats the case, why didn't they make the move after they shipped Hnrich out. What are they waiting for. IDK..We'll see. But the Bulls are gaining a lot of steam....

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6/27/2010  11:20 AM
If Johnson and Wade came in during the first day of free agency and said they would sign, I'd do it. You can't mess around with this diva and let him wait until we have no other options.
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6/27/2010  11:28 AM
Cosmic wrote:The media has chosen a team any given day and had some exec saying it's a done deal that Bosh/LBJ were heading there. I won't believe it until I see it.

However, the Bulls pulling off that Hinrich trade, has to lead you to believe the Bulls are probably in the driver's seat so to speak.


LBJ Sweepstakes: Based on team moves and media buzz (which is a really dumb thing to count on)
50% Bulls
25% Knicks
24% CLE
1% Elsewhere

I used to think it was 25% Knicks, 74% CLE, 1% elsewhere. Yet things have indeed changed.

I still maintain this however: The Knicks, Heat, Bulls have all made big moves to improve this summer. These three teams are going to rape the FA Market and all three teams are going to improve a great deal.

Not all that worried. It's nice to land the big fish yet if we don't this summers' consolation prizes are pretty damn good in their own right.

Remember, we still have Lee and Gallo. You add some of those "second tier" FAs to those two? You're going to have a pretty damn good team.


Yet, don't ride the media tidal waves. Just don't. Every other day it's Bosh/LBJ done deal to NY - then it's to CHI - then it's to NJ - then it's to MIA - then it's to the Clippers (LMFAO!!!!).

Just ignore it. Let the players land where they may then worry about it if you must.

Please stop with the damage control. It's LeBron James or bust. We didn't forfeit the last two years and gamble with the immediate future (trade with Houston) to sign second tier FA's to play with David Lee and Danilo Gallinari. Second tier FA's aren't going to take a 29 win team to the Playoffs in the improved East.

The way I see it, if LeBron disses us, we're looking at Joe Johnson and Lee/Carlos Boozer at best. Chris Bosh isn't coming here to be by himself. He's playing with LeBron or Dwyane Wade. And we know Wade isn't coming here. Amare Stoudemire has beef with Mike D'Antoni. Dirk Nowitzki isn't leaving Dallas. So don't fool yourself and don't try to make it seem like losing out on LeBron is no big deal. If we lose out on LeBron, we are set for mediocrity for another decade.

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6/27/2010  11:31 AM
BRIGGS wrote:Thats funny--they are sending Tony Soprano--that cool that he would do that. PDiddy was a smart one
well just have to wait and see

Bosh said that he doesnt want to play for a team without a C---I said I thought it was imperative to get Whiteside along with Jordan to make a statement and we couldve accomplished that.

Stop with Hassan Whiteside already. He's not even ready to play in a rotation! Geez. There is a reason why he was a second round pick. Heck, Pat Riley took Dexter Pittman over Whiteside. And based on your man crushes with former Centers (Anthony Randolph, Kyrylo Fesenko, BJ Mullens), you are not a good judge of talent. Sorry.

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6/27/2010  12:02 PM
Whiteside was our saviour!!!!!
The darkside prevails with no Whiteside!
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6/27/2010  12:15 PM
Lebron staying in cleveland for 3 more yrs.. he's not going nowhere. all this about the team going to ohio to try and get lrebron is only a teaser. Lebron wasn't going nowhere to begin with.

He and dan gilbert, the owner are the only ones to know whats going to happen. He had a handshake completed before the season ended..

Lebron and the cavaliers already had plan a,b,c and d in placed. the dude just likes the attention going on right now..

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6/27/2010  12:20 PM
Nalod wrote:Whiteside was our saviour!!!!!
The darkside prevails with no Whiteside!

My new favorite post of the week.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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6/27/2010  12:21 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:
nixluva wrote:These assumptions the media keeps making are stupid. The Bulls can't do both Lebron and Bosh without help. The knicks actually can do both plus look into adding Vet willing to sign for the chance to win with Bron/Bosh. We have a coach that has won big in this league and while Thibs is a hot name he's not proven anything other than working on D. He's got no real resume in the big chair. Like him or not MDA is the best coach.

The biggest thing in my mind is that idea of walking past MJ's statue every night and having every game you play measured against What MJ did. Here he can play knowing he's the best player this franchise has ever had. The 1st year here just getting deep in the playoffs would be a major accomplishment and accepted by the fans. In Chicago if they fail to win it all the fans and media will say Jordan would've done this or that.

How is it an assumption by the media? All of these guys have sources and all of these sources are saying the same thing. In the case of this article, the source is a league executive whose team is actually going to visit LeBron James. So clearly that executive knows more about this than you and I.

perhaps that was a Bulls executive... LOL

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6/27/2010  12:27 PM
To me what makes NY the better option is gonna be team balance. Sure Rose n Noah sounds great but in reality they don't complement what Lebron does. Rose is not a great shooter tho he's gotten better. Much of his scoring is on drives. His assists come like Steph's did, as a result of his drives that get stopped. He's not a great passer. Teams will do what they did against the Cavs and force Rose to beat them with jumpers.

We have more perimeter shooters to spread the floor and create lanes for Lebron. Our offense is tailor made for a guy like Lebron. What exactly is Thib's offense? Does anyone know? Didn't Lebron just lose with a bigtime defensive team and a weak offensive plan? Noah is a slightly better version of Verajao. I think the supposed pluses the Bulls have are overrated when you stop looking at the team like it's a fantasy league team. The pieces don't fit.

LeBron already made up his mind?

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