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6/23/2010  6:56 AM
Tired of all the trade Chandler posts. As per Slam magazine Chandler is in the top 30 of under 25 yr old players, ranked at #23. Further more, my guy, Walt "to-de-hoop" Frazier sees him as a star in this league. Stop the insanity. Will is a building block, able to produce at the 2-4 spots on offense and defense. Don't let your lust for players on other teans blind you to the fact that our guy is a GEM.
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6/23/2010  9:40 AM
I don't think anybody ever said that Wil wasn't good. It's just that he primarily plays the 3, which is an easy position to fill. If you have a guy with a solid handle like Wil, and then you bring in a superstar like Lebron, well your solid player becomes a trade chip to fill a position of need (e.g., 1 and 5). But that doesn't imply that keeping Chandler would be a bad thing. He is one of our best defenders, when his (rather small) brain is plugged in, he goes strong to the rim with the best under 25ers in the NBA. I'd be psyched as hell to keep him as a building block, unless we can use him to get a position that is difficult to fill and one we need (like a PG).
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6/23/2010  10:01 AM
Yea, i think it's because of those things you said that he's constantly mentioned in trade talk. I'd like to keep Wilson, but I also hope that he really has a solid year filling it in all over for the Knickerbockers. Make the leap!
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6/23/2010  10:23 AM
Will is a good rotation guy. He plays hurt (gets hurt also). He can defend and play 2-3 different positions. He got good range on the jumper (but not 3 point range as we learned). His handle is below average for a wing as is his passing but he's a solid rebounder, defender and scorer.

Long tem I see him as a perfect 6th man. He will get close to starter minutes playing in a short rotation. He can come in and play some 2,3 or 4. He's a guy who will give you a good 14/6 every night and play effecient basketball.

Every team needs guys like Wilson Chandler. He was a great pick for where he was picked up. He's an NBA starter or at least a 30 mpg rotation guy and a very good defensive player.

I disagree that being a 3 makes him more expendable. Unless you get Lebron and he's redundant then Wilson is an important player for us.

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6/23/2010  10:24 AM
Moonangie wrote:I don't think anybody ever said that Wil wasn't good. It's just that he primarily plays the 3, which is an easy position to fill. If you have a guy with a solid handle like Wil, and then you bring in a superstar like Lebron, well your solid player becomes a trade chip to fill a position of need (e.g., 1 and 5). But that doesn't imply that keeping Chandler would be a bad thing. He is one of our best defenders, when his (rather small) brain is plugged in, he goes strong to the rim with the best under 25ers in the NBA. I'd be psyched as hell to keep him as a building block, unless we can use him to get a position that is difficult to fill and one we need (like a PG).

The 3 is an easy position to fill? When is the last time we had a prototypical 3 around here before Will and now Gallinari? Latrell, LJ, Mase all played out of position. Charles Smith sucked. Let me know what you come up with.

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6/23/2010  11:07 AM
Chandler is over rated by our fan base. He's not a terrible player but he's not all that good, either. He is probably our best trade chip and also plays the same position of not only some of our own (Gallo) who are likely to be better than him but also a position that we are looking to fill via free agency with a star player.

Chandler is odd man out. Chandler isn't a 2 guard either. So if we fill our front court then it's bye bye Chandler.

He also isn't the best dribbler, isn't the best passer, commits unforced errors too often, gets hurt too often, jacks up 3s when contested, drives into traffic when he could have taken an open shot, isn't aggressive enough, is not a good facilitator, plays too slow at times keeping the ball ignoring a wide open teammate, generally low IQ both on and off the court, and is likely peaking in terms of overall skill. I don't see how maturity and experience propels such a player from what he is into something a number of fans dream he will be and have convinced themselves he will be.

I could go on and on but I'll be told by his big fans that I'm delusional and he's going to be an all-star. Besides, we've been over this before.

Chandler's real big bright spot is that nice mid range jumper he has. That's not a reason to ignore all his glaring faults. When the team plays better when Walker is out there playing and Chandler is on the bench something isn't all good there.

He's a good trade chip and I do think he will be traded unless we're absolutely going to strike out this summer which in that case he's an okay player to keep around until we do better things down the road.

For other teams he still has that "young promising upside" aura and we may get something good in return as a result of that but we've seen what the "not so young, injured, inconsistent, and stupid play" he is capable of does to our team. The guy isn't going to pull a Danny Granger type year to year improvement out of his ass. He is what he is a mediocre role player.

Dump him.

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6/23/2010  11:22 AM
I don't think he's there mentally yet.

And that marijuana charge was flat out bad. That tells me right there that he's not ready for the next level professionally.

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6/23/2010  12:40 PM
Dude doesn't have a pulse. He doesn't hype himself up or his teamates. He brings no energy...he's not making anybody better with the pass and he has a habit of taking contested shots....he's also always taken half a year to get into the flow...probably due to injury.

Wilson is a rotation guy but on a good team he is a poor man's Ron Artest...or the one we saw in the playoffs for the Lakers. Just a role player. I don't think the Knicks should be on a mission to trade dude...but if there is a option where the Knicks get better then you do not hesitate. He's a dime a dozen talent that's approaching his contract year...I don't wanna be the one to have to pay him.

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6/23/2010  1:02 PM
Blazers Guard Sparks Knicks’ Interest
By JONATHAN ABRAMS
The Knicks have engaged in trade discussions with the Portland Trail Blazers in hopes of prying guard Rudy Fernandez, according to an N.B.A. executive.

In the past, Fernandez has voiced displeasure over his role with Portland. The Knicks are on the verge of a free agency they hope will vastly restock their team and have long been interested in Fernandez.

If the talks proceed, the Knicks will most likely part with Wilson Chandler or Toney Douglas.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/blazers-guard-sparks-knicks-interest/

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6/23/2010  1:07 PM
iSergio wrote:
Blazers Guard Sparks Knicks’ Interest
By JONATHAN ABRAMS
The Knicks have engaged in trade discussions with the Portland Trail Blazers in hopes of prying guard Rudy Fernandez, according to an N.B.A. executive.

In the past, Fernandez has voiced displeasure over his role with Portland. The Knicks are on the verge of a free agency they hope will vastly restock their team and have long been interested in Fernandez.

If the talks proceed, the Knicks will most likely part with Wilson Chandler or Toney Douglas.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/23/blazers-guard-sparks-knicks-interest/

Wait... are Rudy Fernandez and Sergio Rodrigez different people? Didnt we just have that guy?
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6/23/2010  1:13 PM
Rudy Fernandez would florish as a Knick...he's on a cheap contract too...he's the type of player the Knicks need to look at to surround 2 max players if they are able to do that. Bayless also...its sad that the Blazers are rumored to be interested in Mo Williams...Bayless saved their team when Roy was injured. Pry them both away if possible.
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6/23/2010  1:15 PM
Rudy Fernandez has shown he just isnt that good. Bayless has also shown he isnt that good unfortunately.
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6/23/2010  1:18 PM
You guys obviously don't agree with walts take on chandler, and it's obvious judging by most of the response's, that in his 3rd season he has reach his highest potential.

Never mind that his work ethic is rated one of the best on the team, but i guess since he's not pumping his chest and yelling like an ape after every dunk, he brings no energy ( i guees walt didn't bring any energy in his hey day), and because he hasn't perfected one positon yet is very versitle, he's a 6th man.

Some of these comments are ridiculous, I think he can become as good (if not better) the marion and caron butler...

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6/23/2010  1:20 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Rudy Fernandez has shown he just isnt that good. Bayless has also shown he isnt that good unfortunately.

you read that in the post or did you come to that conclusion by watching games?

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6/23/2010  1:25 PM
knicks1248 wrote:You guys obviously don't agree with walts take on chandler, and it's obvious judging by most of the response's, that in his 3rd season he has reach his highest potential.

Never mind that his work ethic is rated one of the best on the team, but i guess since he's not pumping his chest and yelling like an ape after every dunk, he brings no energy ( i guees walt didn't bring any energy in his hey day), and because he hasn't perfected one positon yet is very versitle, he's a 6th man.

Some of these comments are ridiculous, I think he can become as good (if not better) the marion and caron butler...

clyde was a calm cat but he made his team better and played like a maniac on offense and defense. Wilson is hit and miss and doesn't show the ability to take it to the next level. Didn't say he was a bad player but the dream of him becoming Danny Granger is not gonna happen. He would be nice if the Knicks could sign some star players but guess who's getting benched if they did....Wilson Chandler. On a good team that's where he would be.

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6/23/2010  1:29 PM
EnySpree wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Rudy Fernandez has shown he just isnt that good. Bayless has also shown he isnt that good unfortunately.

you read that in the post or did you come to that conclusion by watching games?

I came to that conclusion by watching games. I was very high on Bayless but he has been underwhelming. Rudy is older and even more underwhelming. Both had an oppurtunity to show what they had this year and did alot of nothing.

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6/23/2010  1:49 PM
Rudy is a better shooter and way more athletic. And plays the game with more fire. I'd definitely trade Chandler for him.
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6/23/2010  1:50 PM
BigSm00th wrote:Rudy is a better shooter and way more athletic. And plays the game with more fire. I'd definitely trade Chandler for him.

Rudy Fernandez shot under 40% last year.

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6/23/2010  2:01 PM
for his career (2 yrs, 140 games) he's a 40% FG shooter and 39% from downtown. chandler is 2 yrs younger and 2 inches taller. that being said he's a 45% from the field but only 30% from deep. knicks need more 3 point shooter. fernandez is more of a 2, chandler more of a 3. i like fernandez's ability to make 3's and his athleticism.

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6/23/2010  2:25 PM
BigSm00th wrote: knicks need more 3 point shooter.

why?
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