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Monta Ellis is available and we should get him
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AnubisADL
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6/22/2010  8:46 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/22/2010  8:47 AM
The Warriors are Stephen Curry's team, and general manager Larry Riley will consider who best fits with the point guard when choosing a draft pick Thursday.

"It's obvious and true that Curry is a guy who is going to have the ball in his hands a lot, and we're going to play right through him a great deal," Riley said. "He's the point guard of this team, and Monta (Ellis) plays the two, and that's the direction we're going.

"You don't build your team around a two-guard. You build around a point guard."

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/21/SP6T1E2KEM.DTL

When the GM takes a crap on one of his best players that is never a good sign. Ellis is a smaller version on Derrick Rose. Lebron wants to play with talent and Ellis has got plenty.


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6/22/2010  9:07 AM
Ellis is a bigtime talent. He is really a gifted scorer. You would think he's the kind of guy MDA would salivate over having in his line up. He's got a PG handle and sets up a lot of easy scores off his own offense.

Thats the good.

The bad?

He's smaller than Toney Douglas. He doesnt guard anyone. Opposing guards have a EFG% of over 55%. He's very small and in recent years we have been killed by opposing guards living in the paint and lighting us up at will.

He's a great scorer and and efficient scorer on bad teams. What is he on good teams?

He's a talented guy but if he's not going to be our PG its not a great fit.

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6/22/2010  9:53 AM
nah. no to monta ellis.

love watching his highlights, hate watching him take horrible shot after horrible shot in full games.

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6/22/2010  9:59 AM
crzymdups wrote:nah. no to monta ellis.

love watching his highlights, hate watching him take horrible shot after horrible shot in full games.

He was able to calm down when he isnt relied on to score all the points. Golden State lost Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson. That is alot of scoring losted.

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6/22/2010  10:14 AM
Hell no to Ellis. He plays worse defense than most of the Knicks, and he's got some big attitude problems. Didn't we just recently have a guy like that named Marbury?
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6/22/2010  10:34 AM
No way to ellis, he's all talent and no brains on how to win..If we had a different coach, then maybe.
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6/22/2010  10:41 AM
Curry, Chandler & Douglas for Monta and A. Randolph?

Does either team bite?

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6/22/2010  10:50 AM
Might entice LeBron, but I'm not a big fan. He's not good at running an offense and he plays absolutely no defense, not to mention he has limited range. Great finisher and probably would excl in our up tempo offensively but he's not a true point. Besides, what's his salary? He's certainly not better than having a Bosh caliber player.
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6/22/2010  11:14 AM
I don't know do you want Parker, Monta or Collison. I would rather just go with Douglass but if a move has to be made then go with Parker his playoff experience would be valuable.
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6/22/2010  11:18 AM
With Lebron on the team, it's arguably most important that our PG be able to defend the perimeter and hit open jumpers (incl 3s) efficiently. Lebron can handle the distribution chores and be the play-maker.

That means I would rather have TD than Monta as our PG. Parker is no spring chicken and has injury issues. BUT, he also has more playoff experience than most PGs in the league, and that certainly counts for something. He can score and distribute and play solid D. But I would not be willing to give up Curry/Chandler/TD for him. Would rather keep TD, trade Chandler for a pick or solid role player, and trade straight up for a big (e.g., OK4). Probably makes more sense to move Curry now and have a max cap next year so we can make use of a MLE rather than let him end his contract an not have an MLE next year.

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6/22/2010  11:22 AM
tj23 wrote:Might entice LeBron, but I'm not a big fan. He's not good at running an offense and he plays absolutely no defense, not to mention he has limited range. Great finisher and probably would excl in our up tempo offensively but he's not a true point. Besides, what's his salary? He's certainly not better than having a Bosh caliber player.

It wouldnt be instead of a max player, it would be in addition to. The only way you do this is if you take him back for Eddy in a salary dump type trade.

Whoever said he doesnt know how to win he's 24 and was drafted by Golden State. Nobody in that situation knows how to win. He isnt a malcontent either. He almost wasted his career f-ing around on a moped but thats different from being a bad guy like Marbury. Knucklehead maybe.

crzy... he's a 48% career shooter. How many bad shots can he be taking? When your scoring 25ppg and shooting over 45% and getting to the line and setting alot of assists along the way your doing something right.

I'm sure Walsh and MDA will be going over all these guys. Walsh has always been a guy to get his coaches the kind of players they want and need.

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6/22/2010  11:25 AM
For all his talent, Curry has come in there a pretty much taken his shine, which is why he was grumble after the draft last year..With a back court of Curry and Ellis they won 28 games
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6/22/2010  11:28 AM
If Ellis is available and DW can talk to him he could be the point that we have been missing. And if the other stars align and some big name free agents come to NY then we could be looking at the start of a bright future.
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6/22/2010  11:34 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
The Warriors are Stephen Curry's team, and general manager Larry Riley will consider who best fits with the point guard when choosing a draft pick Thursday.

"It's obvious and true that Curry is a guy who is going to have the ball in his hands a lot, and we're going to play right through him a great deal," Riley said. "He's the point guard of this team, and Monta (Ellis) plays the two, and that's the direction we're going.

"You don't build your team around a two-guard. You build around a point guard."

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/21/SP6T1E2KEM.DTL

When the GM takes a crap on one of his best players that is never a good sign. Ellis is a smaller version on Derrick Rose. Lebron wants to play with talent and Ellis has got plenty.


both guys are 6'3, so I don't see monta as a smaller version of rose at all.. plus monta is a better all around scorer than rose... monta's big problem are the turnovers.....very bad...

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6/22/2010  11:44 AM
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6/22/2010  11:47 AM
Vmart wrote:I don't know do you want Parker, Monta or Collison. I would rather just go with Douglass but if a move has to be made then go with Parker his playoff experience would be valuable.

Of the three mentioned, none of them really stroke the 3. Better to work TD, and use the extra dollar on another position.

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6/22/2010  11:53 AM
Sangfroid wrote:
Vmart wrote:I don't know do you want Parker, Monta or Collison. I would rather just go with Douglass but if a move has to be made then go with Parker his playoff experience would be valuable.

Of the three mentioned, none of them really stroke the 3. Better to work TD, and use the extra dollar on another position.

The other 3 have proven they are NBA starting caliber players. Douglas hasnt proven a dam thing.

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6/22/2010  11:58 AM
Last year his TO #s were very very bad, but before last year they were manageable. Kind of typical of scoring guards that put the ball on the floor as much as he does.

He's 24 and extremely talented. I think he's way ahead of someone like Jamal Crawford who we had high expectations of when signed. Thing w/ Ellis is he shoots a high%. He's not just a volume scorer. He also doesnt really shoot the 3. Most of his stuff is mid range and getting into the paint. Dude is also a world class athlete, even post injury.

I cant we should go get him. The size and defense issue scares me. Its been a decade of letting opposing guards have their way night in and night out and he doesnt help that.

BUT

If you have a guy like MDA who is a great offensive coach, you would be handing him:
24 year old guard
highly efficient scorer (over 47% for his career)
decent rebounder
tons of steals and deflections which is GREAT for the MDA running offense
excellent passer who creates a lot of open shots for teammates. Also has good assist #s
plays very hard and wants to win

I am on the fence. Its a make or break type move for MDA for sure. Ellis is exactly the skilled type of player MDA wants.

I think an Ellis/Douglas backcourt is better than an Ellis/Curry backcourt. Curry is (obviously) better than Douglas, but his defense worse than Ellis.

What if your team next year was:
PG Douglas
SG Ellis
SF Gallo
PF Lebron
C Bosh
bench: Chandler, Walker, Earl Barron, draft picks

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6/22/2010  12:17 PM
fishmike wrote:What if your team next year was:
PG Douglas
SG Ellis
SF Gallo
PF Lebron
C Bosh
bench: Chandler, Walker, Earl Barron, draft picks

Too much pressure on the guards to defend the perimeter. If we don't have a defensive big in the middle, then Monta and Tony have to **** guys up before they march into the lane for layups and dump offs. However, it looks pretty great from an offensive standpoint. If we could get Monta for Chandler and OK4 for Curry and bring Douglas off the bench (25-30 mpg), we would have:

Ellis
Lebron
Gallo
Bosh
OK4

That might work better defensively, and we retain some serious scoring punch. I might sign on for that.

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6/22/2010  12:26 PM
When we miss out on Lebron and Bosh, we'll probably use our cap room to absorb someone like Ellis & Arenas, so in the Worse Case Scenario option, you could be looking at a line up of

Ellis
Arenas
Chandler
Gallo
Lee

With Lee obviously a question mark.

Monta Ellis is available and we should get him

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