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martin
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6/17/2010  10:51 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=kerrsuns-100616

No more fun in Phoenix

Even in the midst of this tense and unpredictable NBA Finals between the Lakers and Celtics I found myself yearning for the wide-open style and high scores of the Lakers-Suns Western Conference finals. Now I'm simply mourning the Suns.

The fun days are over, the feel-good is finished. The first indication is the departure of easygoing general manager Steve Kerr, and the sure sign will come when Amare Stoudemire leaves as a free agent.

The Suns' high-scoring offense couldn't beat the bigger and better teams in the Western Conference and now it can't beat the accounting books, which remain the most formidable foe in the NBA. Kerr and Suns owner Robert Sarver clashed this month and you can see the result.

"Kerr wanted a little raise, Sarver wanted him to take a pay cut," one source said. "There's no other way to spin it."

Well, a second source indicated it wasn't as simple as a money grab by Kerr. He wanted more money for the coaching staff, video crew, front-office secretaries -- all the people who helped produce this unexpected trip to the conference finals that yielded more than $10 million in extra revenue from eight home playoff games. Except when Kerr went to bat with Sarver, "The guy just bludgeoned Steve," the second source said.

So Kerr's out. Stoudemire's next.

"Amare's done," according to the source. "He's gone."

That will be the final breakdown of the team that won 62 games in 2004-05 while ushering in a new era of scoreboard-straining ball. It started when Shawn Marion was the featured piece in a trade for Shaquille O'Neal in 2008 and continued when Mike D'Antoni left after a first-round loss to the Spurs in the playoffs that season.

"They're trying to lay the Shaq trade on Steve," the source said. "He had about 10 percent to do with that." The source said Sarver and D'Antoni were primarily responsible.

And Kerr did find someone willing to take O'Neal's contract off Phoenix's hands last year when the Suns traded him to Cleveland for Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic, both of whom were bought out for a net savings of $4.5 million for Phoenix.

Kerr did make the mistake of bringing in coach Terry Porter in an attempt to make the Suns more defensive-minded after D'Antoni was gone. That lasted only half a season before Porter was fired and Alvin Gentry took over as head coach. Gentry did well enough to be kept on full-time -- at one of the lowest annual salaries in the league ($1.7 million). One thing working against Kerr was the fact the Suns were still obligated to pay Porter $2.5 million per year for this season and next. Sarver wasn't happy about that (I can only imagine how it makes Gentry feel to make less than a guy doing nothing for the team).

But Kerr got it right more than he got it wrong. Channing Frye was a free-agent signee who flourished and led the team in 3-point shots. He picked up starter Jason Richardson and do-everything backup Jared Dudley from the Bobcats in a trade for the enigmatic Boris Diaw.

The Shaq trade was the first time I shed tears for the Suns, but that was primarily from a stylistic standpoint. It was still possible for them to win, but where was the fun in doing so with a center-oriented approach the way every other team had tried it since the primordial days of the NBA? If they're on the verge of losing Stoudemire, the team's top scorer and rebounder (23 and 9), then they won't be back in the playoffs.

The Suns enjoyed the best chemistry in the NBA. You didn't read stories about the general manager and the coach getting into fights as they did in Chicago. In fact, Kerr and Gentry were on good enough terms that Gentry joked he'd hit Kerr back if he tried to go John Paxson on him. Not sure if that level of trust can be found with a new general manager, someone who didn't hire the coach. Nor can there be much faith that hard work will be rewarded if Kerr lost out on his efforts to boost his staff's pay.

The way things went down this week "took all the joy out of everything that happened this year," the second source said.

And it gave us one fewer reason to look forward to next year.

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Vmart
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6/17/2010  10:59 AM
Now we all know that MDA wants a conventional center.
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6/17/2010  11:39 AM
Would Shaq join LeBron James and his favorite player Chris Bosh in New York?
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6/17/2010  12:07 PM
Will Nash demand a trade to the NYK or wait until the ext season to sign here for the vet minimum?
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6/17/2010  12:09 PM
Curry for Nash to save them some more cash!
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6/17/2010  12:14 PM
Moonangie wrote:Will Nash demand a trade to the NYK or wait until the ext season to sign here for the vet minimum?

He's signed through 2011/12 - the soonest he could come here on his own would be 2012/13, at which point he will be 38, and probably not much use except as a back up/half coach.

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6/17/2010  12:32 PM
This is total baloney. Kerr is just trying to spin stuff on his way out the door.
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6/17/2010  2:34 PM
should we feel sorry for Nash who likely should have seen the financial writing on the wall since, they've been in cost cutting mode for a bit now. Nah, he had his chance to sign with us and chose to resign to play for Gent.

Just cause the writer says Sarver and MDA were for it doesn't mean MDA was pushing for it. He might have just been yessing Sarver while thinking at the same time he could make it work. I don't see that as the same as pushing for it but, who know.

Has MDA EVER spoken on it?? I've heard it was Kerr at one point and then MDA at others.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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6/17/2010  3:21 PM
So martin I assume you are a Suns fan ? cool
Good post and informative

I had no idea MDA was instrumental in bringing Shaq aboard then. S.Nash gave Shaq credit to blend in
and cited Shaq as a good teammate. Never heard as much said about the brash talent Amare Stoudamire

But it seems like S.Kerr got much less credit than blame. Suns had good run and did alot right
other than getting by LA Lakers which they nearly did. If it wasnt for LA and Kobe Suns would be
giving Celtics fits.

All in all Kerr will get another gig it seems from rumors he is going back to NBA broadcasting and
I am sure his resume will take him back to GM/president one day. Kerry will likely either get
Espn JVG job OR NBA-tv gig.

I dont wanna imply JVG is leaving he seems to like his job with ex player mate Mark Jackson
but its clear to me either JVG or Jackson is going into coaching 2010 or 2011. Where ? whom knows

I'd love to have JVG back here as Knick Coach.
Sorry apologies MDA, he has another 2 yrs on his contract we'll see what he does.

Maybe Donnie Walsh can lure Kerr out from broadcast endeavor and back to GM/president job
open spot on the Knicks. Kerr would help the NY Knicks front office.
Only a minor opinion.

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6/17/2010  3:23 PM
MDA had just gone to the WCF 2x and then lost to SA in the Semi Finals when this happened:

The Suns willed themselves to a come-from-behind victory in Game 4 to tie the series at 2.
However, the celebration would be short-lived. In the closing minute of Game 4, with the Suns leading by 3 points, Nash brought up the ball and was shoved into the press table by Robert Horry, creating a momentary ruckus, wherein Raja Bell received a technical. As this took place, Stoudemire and Boris Diaw left the Suns bench. Although they were not involved in the altercation, they broke an established NBA rule that prohibits players from leaving their bench during an altercation. As a result, the NBA suspended Stoudemire and Diaw for one game, while Horry received a two-game suspension for the flagrant foul and ejection. Severely undermanned, the Suns came into Game 5 with the task of beating the Spurs without their star big man. The suspensions created a national outrage, as well as a frontcourt breach for San Antonio to exploit during Game 5. Several NBA pundits feel the Suns would have likely won the series if the controversial suspensions had not been given to Stoudemire and Diaw[.

Somehow I just can't believe that MDA would want to change his team based on what happened in the Spurs series. I think he'd want to get another crack at it with his team as it was, cuz they had really proven to be a tough team that was really close to getting over the top. My guess is that the Spurs series really left a bitter taste in MDA and the Teams mouth and I can't imagine that they'd now want to totally change the chemistry to that extent with a huge slow guy in the mix. It sounds like Sarver likely wanted this and MDA just went along with it.

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6/17/2010  3:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/17/2010  3:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:This is total baloney. Kerr is just trying to spin stuff on his way out the door.

mda for shaq has been mentioned many times before...these are from 2008 when d'antoni was let go...

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0430dantoni0430.html

Since then, Kerr has expressed public support for D'Antoni, who has also been complimentary of Kerr, especially when Kerr changed his mind to be on board with trading for Shaquille O'Neal after initial reservations.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jack_mccallum/04/30/suns.dantonio/index.html

Over four full seasons D'Antoni racked up a 232-96 record, made the Western finals twice and changed the way that observers both in and out of the league thought about the game. Management might have some legitimate gripes about his defensive coaching, and remember that D'Antoni was a bigger booster of the trade for Shaquille O'Neal than Kerr was.
martin
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6/17/2010  3:30 PM
DJMUSIC wrote:So martin I assume you are a Suns fan ? cool
Good post and informative

Im a Knicks fan.

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6/17/2010  3:43 PM
Sounds like MDA pulled a Stevie Franchise move. Much like Zeke, Kerr still takes the hit.
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6/17/2010  4:27 PM
mda for shaq has been mentioned many times before...these are from 2008 when d'antoni was let go...

I thought he quit

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6/17/2010  6:43 PM
knicks1248 wrote:mda for shaq has been mentioned many times before...these are from 2008 when d'antoni was let go...

I thought he quit

He was asked to change and put an increased emphasis on defense. He was offended, reacted, and got permission to pursue another job.
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6/17/2010  7:57 PM
Just heard Steven A. say that LeBron is coming to NY with Shaq.
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6/17/2010  9:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:mda for shaq has been mentioned many times before...these are from 2008 when d'antoni was let go...

I thought he quit

He was asked to change and put an increased emphasis on defense. He was offended, reacted, and got permission to pursue another job.

You're synopsis seems a bit simplistic. I'm sure there was more to the break up than just MDA being in a snit about an emphasis on D. That would seem to be a childish reason for any coach to leave a job where he had so much success. I would say that he just didn't see eye to eye with Kerr and could see the situation getting worse as time went on. Yeah the Defense issue came up, but in the end I think there was probably a lack of confidence that MDA felt so I would say it was probably best for him to go before it ended with him being fired.

From what I remember of the last playoff series the Suns had with MDA as coach, the defense was a mess compared to how it used to be, cuz Shaq as usual was horrible on the Pick and Roll and they just got abused. You can't have Nash and Shaq trying to stop teams in the mid to high post, cuz they can't stop anyone and your entire Defense is weakened. Plus you can add an defensively disinterested Amare and you can see how that would leave a team in a bad spot. My guess is MDA had had enough of reading Kerr's slights in the paper too.

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6/17/2010  9:38 PM
Vmart wrote:Just heard Steven A. say that LeBron is coming to NY with Shaq.

That would be interesting huh?

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Now trade Curry/Chandler for Tony P and that's quite some team! (Assuming Shaq signs for peanuts, don't see why he wouldn't)

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6/17/2010  9:39 PM
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:mda for shaq has been mentioned many times before...these are from 2008 when d'antoni was let go...

I thought he quit

He was asked to change and put an increased emphasis on defense. He was offended, reacted, and got permission to pursue another job.

You're synopsis seems a bit simplistic. I'm sure there was more to the break up than just MDA being in a snit about an emphasis on D. That would seem to be a childish reason for any coach to leave a job where he had so much success. I would say that he just didn't see eye to eye with Kerr and could see the situation getting worse as time went on. Yeah the Defense issue came up, but in the end I think there was probably a lack of confidence that MDA felt so I would say it was probably best for him to go before it ended with him being fired.

From what I remember of the last playoff series the Suns had with MDA as coach, the defense was a mess compared to how it used to be, cuz Shaq as usual was horrible on the Pick and Roll and they just got abused. You can't have Nash and Shaq trying to stop teams in the mid to high post, cuz they can't stop anyone and your entire Defense is weakened. Plus you can add an defensively disinterested Amare and you can see how that would leave a team in a bad spot. My guess is MDA had had enough of reading Kerr's slights in the paper too.

On one his Knicks shows this past season, MDA actually said that reason he left was because the FO questions about his focus on defense. He said that Walsh allows his coaches to coach. I think this was near the end of the season but right after the trade deadline for sure. I think the point was made in the gamethread as well. I thought that interview put the issue of his departure to rest. He even joked with Breen about it as I recall. Saying that when it comes to that you move on or get fire and he laughed about it.

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6/17/2010  10:50 PM
Vmart wrote:Just heard Steven A. say that LeBron is coming to NY with Shaq.

Care to elaborate?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
MDA pushed for Shaq trade (along with Sarver)?

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