I think this is about right. Broussard maybe right about this.

and Herb Williams!

sebstar wrote:Is there anybody reporters got a bigger hard-on for and grudge against, that Isiah? They're forever trying to discredit the man and throw dirt on him. They talk about Walsh cleaning Zeke's mess, but Isiah was trying to clean up Layden's too.

That said, how is it that there was such a large disconnect between the type of talent Zeke was able to draft, and the type of talent he traded for or signed? And how did he play for the "Bad Boys" yet he was bringing in softies like Maurice Taylor and Eddy Curry?

Sebstar
Damn you start a ...about nonsense regarding Zeke and whatever comes to your mind, huh?

Reporter reported facts correct, Zeke is a germ whom had good Knicks intentions at outset and at end ruined the Knicks as bad
as Layden could have done and perhaps worst.

Besides everything brought about regarding Zeke's buddy Dolan is correct, Dolan loves Zeke Thomas so much he still supports paying
him to this day and wanted to keep Zeke after he was guilty in sex-case A.Browne case. But Dolan was pressured and Zeke was out.
Same Dolan whom ran Magic Johnston hall-of-famer out of Garden seat cause Magic's new book tattle-tale on Zeke the real Isiah hurt
Dolan's feelings about his sonny-boy Zeke Isiah Thomas.

Get it straight Zeke Thomas has done a bad job in NY Knicks org. and ain't nothing no one can do to discredit him more than
Zeke has done gracefully already. Too bad bra-dah

Childs2Dudley wrote:First off Broussard is a notorious Zeke supporter. This guy loved all of his trades when they were made.

Second, Isiah is the reason we are in this mess. It's easy for this fool to blame Checketts and Layden but what he doesn't mention is the expiring contracts, draft picks and young players Isiah Thomas had at his disposal to acquire the likes of Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry in his first 2 years with the team. Not to mention trading shorter deals for longer ones constantly and barely upgrading the talent level on the team. The signings? Those doesn't even need to be mentioned.

Isiah Thomas is one of the worst GM's in sports history.

Precisely
I could not have said it any better than points you made !
Excellent!

All in all Zeke's issue was he fell in love with players and trades as evident by Marbury fiasco and Eddy Curry trade disaster
You DONT give up the barn in trades of such which Zeke Thomas always gave up Barn for players he wanted and then never stuck
with his lousy moves guys were either traded again quickly often for nothing.

He set our knicks back 5-6 yrs and Walsh is digging out of the mess. Thomas made moves for sake of making moves and gut feeling.
Horrible Coach, worse president and Zeke's claim to fame was talent search or scouting that is all.

Whomever wants to say reporters discrediting knicks is what makes me laugh here. What Zeke did in NY makes us forget his lame
CBA days

Childs2Dudley wrote:First off Broussard is a notorious Zeke supporter. This guy loved all of his trades when they were made.

Second, Isiah is the reason we are in this mess. It's easy for this fool to blame Checketts and Layden but what he doesn't mention is the expiring contracts, draft picks and young players Isiah Thomas had at his disposal to acquire the likes of Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry in his first 2 years with the team. Not to mention trading shorter deals for longer ones constantly and barely upgrading the talent level on the team. The signings? Those doesn't even need to be mentioned.

Isiah Thomas is one of the worst GM's in sports history.

Excellent post. I couldn't agree more. The fact that Isiah still has supporters to defend him is highly disappointing. I can't think of anyone else who caused so much damage in so little time. A little over 4 years, but his decisions screwed the Knicks for 6 or 7. That takes skill.

$ for $, win for win, and character flaws abound, this man in his time had the lowest winning % of any franchise in any sport thru the history of professional sports with salary structure in balance that rivals no body at any time in history. THe only saving grace was perhaps the % of that salary vs. the high value of the franchise. NO other team could sustain such an epic failure.

Add the indefensable sextual harassment suite slapped on his ass and your looking at a great script for an HBO type movie.

This man has trotted thru his post HOF career with reckless abandenment and little conscience.

No GM is perfectly bad, including Isiah but even when he had it right (reezy) he blew it. Hired the right coach with the wrong roster, or was that the wrong coach with the wrong roster?

Perhaps his biggest mistake was not the financil aspects of obtaining Marbury, or that he over paid, bu the fact he banked on him being the face of the franchise and its no. 1 player. His evaluation not of talent but the train wreck we call marbury, Eddy and Jerome James is just unbelievable.

Isiah is indefensible any level or perspective. Laydens failures rest on its won laurels but he is no benchmark to measure Isiah from any altitude. At the very worst he took his shot with Dice who at least had proven himself to be mentally stable and physically commited. HE was a proven commodity. Eddy was a heart patient and Marbury was posterchild for the self absorbed and egocentric. It does not take a smart person before absorbing his contract to evaluate his personality disorders and project a career path. Chime in anytime Marv on that aspect.

sebstar wrote:If his moves were so obnoxiously bad, from the jump, why were his trades for Marbury and Curry largely celebrated initially? Lets not play revisionist history.

are you really trying to convince yourself that a mark of GM is fanboy day 1 reaction? lol

sebstar wrote:No, I'm just being real.

On paper his deals looked good, so its not as if they were complete braindead moves like trading for Howard Eisley and Shandon Anderson. All I'm saying is there there was logic behind his moves. But I know ya'll hate the man so I might as converse with a brick wall.

The Knicks were supposed to revolve around Houston, who was hands down our best player, but then his knee disintegrated. In 03-04, Marbury got us to the playoffs and there was a lot of buzz around the Knicks, but then it all went to shyt. Marbury was a top-3 PG in his prime, coming off a great season.

Isiah's problem is that he didnt see the big picture and allow for contingency plans, unless things didnt work out. In addition, he had no concept of financial responsibility and long term planning. He put his eggs in every trade basket, giving out key assets like they were candy. Sounds like our current situation which should be more of a focus rather than harping on moves made 5-7 years ago, every week.

Perspective.

perspective is also understanding that Isiah didn't just trade for Marbury, but also overpaid for him. And Curry. And Big Game. And Jefferies. And was involved in sexual harassment. And he enabled Marbury, etc.