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BRIGGS
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5/4/2010  11:13 AM
I see only one smart plan

Resign D Lee 6 years 60mm

Try our darn best to sign one of #1 Amare #2 Bosh # Boozer[if none dont spend and look for one year rental trade with a pick etc..

Draft three G/wings who can break you off the dribble shoot pass

Sign Sean Livingston 3 years 17mm guaranteed for 2.

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5/4/2010  11:17 AM
I'd pursue CJ Watson (minor signing, but I think he would do well here).
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5/4/2010  11:21 AM
The more I think about it the more I believe that Lee is in fact overrated because he's putting up BIG stats in a possession heavy - uptempo offense with no other big fighting him for rebounds.

I want to come out of this process with (2) legit stars and if we can't do it all this summer I propose a sign and trade for Lee that brings back solid players that expire after the 2010 season.

So say we convince Bosh to sign in NY by himself.

Rather that resign Lee (over pay him in $ and years IMO) - we sign and trade him for something like Kenyon Martin and Ty Lawson.

This way we can still compete for the playoffs with 1 star - GALLO and guys like KMART, Lawson, Chandler, etc. but we also have Curry and KMART expirings to use on the next big free agent (MELO) or maybe Durant (2011 or 2012?)

I'm really fearful of over-paying D-Lee and I don't think Walsh is going to do it. I'd rather move him to pick up a large expiring and young asset and use my cash later for a sure star.

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5/4/2010  11:23 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Resign D Lee 6 years 60mm

When Lee stops laughing, what were you really planning to offer for him?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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5/4/2010  11:25 AM
I dont see why you keep throwing out these low ball offers for David Lee. Even a team like the Nets can probably do 5yr at 60 million.

I prefer if we trade those two 2nd rounders to get into the first round.

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BRIGGS
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5/4/2010  11:30 AM
AnubisADL wrote:I dont see why you keep throwing out these low ball offers for David Lee. Even a team like the Nets can probably do 5yr at 60 million.

I prefer if we trade those two 2nd rounders to get into the first round.

6 years 66mm--no one is giving him more than 66mm and that wont effect our cap.

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5/4/2010  11:36 AM
LivingLegend wrote:The more I think about it the more I believe that Lee is in fact overrated because he's putting up BIG stats in a possession heavy - uptempo offense with no other big fighting him for rebounds.

I want to come out of this process with (2) legit stars and if we can't do it all this summer I propose a sign and trade for Lee that brings back solid players that expire after the 2010 season.

So say we convince Bosh to sign in NY by himself.

Rather that resign Lee (over pay him in $ and years IMO) - we sign and trade him for something like Kenyon Martin and Ty Lawson.

This way we can still compete for the playoffs with 1 star - GALLO and guys like KMART, Lawson, Chandler, etc. but we also have Curry and KMART expirings to use on the next big free agent (MELO) or maybe Durant (2011 or 2012?)

I'm really fearful of over-paying D-Lee and I don't think Walsh is going to do it. I'd rather move him to pick up a large expiring and young asset and use my cash later for a sure star.

it wasnt a possession heavy offense. That stopped after like the 3rd week of the season. Also Lee shoots 55%. He added a long jumper and his FG% went UP. He's always been a good rebounder. I would say put another rebounding big and his rebounds might drop to 10-11.

Briggs thats a good plan.

Lee for 6 years $70mm is reasonable. That starts him at $9mm and another team would have to start him at $12mm to match. If we go to $10mm (6 years $78mm) another team would have to offer $13.5 to beat our total guarenteed money. Plus Lee wants to be here and he knows his salary direct impacts our ability to add another player.

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5/4/2010  11:39 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I dont see why you keep throwing out these low ball offers for David Lee. Even a team like the Nets can probably do 5yr at 60 million.

I prefer if we trade those two 2nd rounders to get into the first round.

6 years 66mm--no one is giving him more than 66mm and that wont effect our cap.

While 66 million is more reasonable I think Lee goes to the first higher bidder and I dont see Lee waiting for the Knicks to make an offer with their left overs. Our greatest threat to losing Lee is Nets because he wouldn't even have to move.

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BRIGGS
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5/4/2010  11:51 AM
fishmike wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:The more I think about it the more I believe that Lee is in fact overrated because he's putting up BIG stats in a possession heavy - uptempo offense with no other big fighting him for rebounds.

I want to come out of this process with (2) legit stars and if we can't do it all this summer I propose a sign and trade for Lee that brings back solid players that expire after the 2010 season.

So say we convince Bosh to sign in NY by himself.

Rather that resign Lee (over pay him in $ and years IMO) - we sign and trade him for something like Kenyon Martin and Ty Lawson.

This way we can still compete for the playoffs with 1 star - GALLO and guys like KMART, Lawson, Chandler, etc. but we also have Curry and KMART expirings to use on the next big free agent (MELO) or maybe Durant (2011 or 2012?)

I'm really fearful of over-paying D-Lee and I don't think Walsh is going to do it. I'd rather move him to pick up a large expiring and young asset and use my cash later for a sure star.

it wasnt a possession heavy offense. That stopped after like the 3rd week of the season. Also Lee shoots 55%. He added a long jumper and his FG% went UP. He's always been a good rebounder. I would say put another rebounding big and his rebounds might drop to 10-11.

Briggs thats a good plan.

Lee for 6 years $70mm is reasonable. That starts him at $9mm and another team would have to start him at $12mm to match. If we go to $10mm (6 years $78mm) another team would have to offer $13.5 to beat our total guarenteed money. Plus Lee wants to be here and he knows his salary direct impacts our ability to add another player.

@ 70mm a team would have to offer 14mm per 5*14=70 I think an offer of 66mm should get it done. I think he wants to stay6 and that would force another team to ante up 13mm + I think Lee and Scola are going to be in the next market down from the max FA's

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5/4/2010  11:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2010  12:00 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:I dont see why you keep throwing out these low ball offers for David Lee. Even a team like the Nets can probably do 5yr at 60 million.

I prefer if we trade those two 2nd rounders to get into the first round.

6 years 66mm--no one is giving him more than 66mm and that wont effect our cap.

While 66 million is more reasonable I think Lee goes to the first higher bidder and I dont see Lee waiting for the Knicks to make an offer with their left overs. Our greatest threat to losing Lee is Nets because he wouldn't even have to move.

Heck he could even be signed to 4yrs crazy money with a PO on the 4rth yr and still have the chance to get an extension or pick the option up. They can also frontload if they want to...although it would eat more into their cap.

Rudy Gay and Lee's max's come to $14.025mil first yr starting salary considering what some players have already received you're going to have to come very close to this number to obtain them.

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5/4/2010  12:04 PM
after what Camby just signed for there's no way you're getting Lee for anywhere close to $10M per.
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5/4/2010  12:11 PM
Walsh made the mistake. He should have been locked up a long time ago at a reasonable contract that would have secured our best asset if we choose to trade him in the future.

He isn't taking less than 12 becomes once all these guys re-up you are looking at Bosh, Boozer, Lee, Gay at the top of the market. Camby's deal was a panic move by the Blazers no reason he should have got more than 8 million.

The Nets would gladly give Lee 13 and perhaps work a sign and trade with devin harris and get rudy gay to go with a very talented team that will be better than the knicks.

Livingston is just to risky. He played great down the stretch. You think someone gives the kid 5?

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5/4/2010  12:14 PM
TMS wrote:after what Camby just signed for there's no way you're getting Lee for anywhere close to $10M per.

Camby only got 20mm
How come no team jumped at paying Lee anything close to that the year before?

Giving David Lee 65-70 is going to be his market lets say a team offers him 5 yrs 65mm--we can offer 6 years 68mm-- he's not guaranteed to make that 3mm at the end of contract + he stays where he lives.

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5/4/2010  12:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2010  12:20 PM
MS wrote:Walsh made the mistake. He should have been locked up a long time ago at a reasonable contract that would have secured our best asset if we choose to trade him in the future.

He isn't taking less than 12 becomes once all these guys re-up you are looking at Bosh, Boozer, Lee, Gay at the top of the market. Camby's deal was a panic move by the Blazers no reason he should have got more than 8 million.

The Nets would gladly give Lee 13 and perhaps work a sign and trade with devin harris and get rudy gay to go with a very talented team that will be better than the knicks.

Livingston is just to risky. He played great down the stretch. You think someone gives the kid 5?

You got a nice sample of games--20 or so where he showed no evidence of injury playing big minutes and playing well. I think 2 years locked 11mm[5.5] with a team option 3 is very fair. I really think we can also add impact players through the draft at the guard poistions

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5/4/2010  12:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2010  12:22 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:after what Camby just signed for there's no way you're getting Lee for anywhere close to $10M per.

Camby only got 20mm
How come no team jumped at paying Lee anything close to that the year before?

Giving David Lee 65-70 is going to be his market lets say a team offers him 5 yrs 65mm--we can offer 6 years 68mm-- he's not guaranteed to make that 3mm at the end of contract + he stays where he lives.

David Lee was a RFA. Knicks had to option to match any offer and teams were maneuvering for 2010 cap space not 2009 cap space. So was David Lee going to sign an offer sheet for less than he thought he could get in 2010?

In reference to some saying this is Walsh's fault for not locking him up for we dont know what David Lee was asking for last summer.

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5/4/2010  12:24 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
TMS wrote:after what Camby just signed for there's no way you're getting Lee for anywhere close to $10M per.

Camby only got 20mm
How come no team jumped at paying Lee anything close to that the year before?

Giving David Lee 65-70 is going to be his market lets say a team offers him 5 yrs 65mm--we can offer 6 years 68mm-- he's not guaranteed to make that 3mm at the end of contract + he stays where he lives.

David Lee was a RFA. Knicks had to option to match any offer and teams were maneuvering for 2010 cap space not 2009 cap space. So was David Lee going to sign an offer sheet for less than he thought he could get in 2010?

In reference to some saying this is Walsh's fault for not locking him up for we dont know what David Lee was asking for last summer.

Knicks were never going to match anything with their cap space.

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5/4/2010  12:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/4/2010  12:26 PM
Watching Rajon Rondo and these other quick PG's in the Playoffs, I think it would be wise to just develop Toney Douglas as our PG. Why waste money on someone like Shaun Livingston or even Raymond Felton? Douglas already does so many things well enough and he proved he can improve and develop a weakness - jump shooting. I think with patience and proper coaching, Douglas can develop into a decent floor general.

And pairing Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer with David Lee is a terrible idea. This is not a video game or fantasy basketball. Two frontcourt players are never going to average 40 and 20 between them. I think if we sign someone like Bosh, STAT or Boozer, we also need to acquire a 'bodyguard' type next to them. Someone who will do the dirty work and not get in their way offensively. Lee is not that type.

But back to the topic, if we don't sign LeBron James, we MUST sign either Bosh or STAT. We MUST come away this summer with a building block. And building a team with a big man like Bosh or STAT would be a good place to start.

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5/4/2010  12:40 PM
iSergio wrote:Watching Rajon Rondo and these other quick PG's in the Playoffs, I think it would be wise to just develop Toney Douglas as our PG. Why waste money on someone like Shaun Livingston or even Raymond Felton? Douglas already does so many things well enough and he proved he can improve and develop a weakness - jump shooting. I think with patience and proper coaching, Douglas can develop into a decent floor general.

And pairing Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer with David Lee is a terrible idea. This is not a video game or fantasy basketball. Two frontcourt players are never going to average 40 and 20 between them. I think if we sign someone like Bosh, STAT or Boozer, we also need to acquire a 'bodyguard' type next to them. Someone who will do the dirty work and not get in their way offensively. Lee is not that type.

But back to the topic, if we don't sign LeBron James, we MUST sign either Bosh or STAT. We MUST come away this summer with a building block. And building a team with a big man like Bosh or STAT would be a good place to start.

Tell me how Paul Millsap and Carlos Boozer are doing. And I don't see TD as anything even comparable to Rondo--not even a scintilla.

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5/4/2010  12:54 PM
Paul Millsap can play D and he doesn't get in the way of Carlos Boozer offensively. It's totally different with Chris Bosh and David Lee. And of course Toney Douglas' isn't Rajon Rondo right now. But Douglas has displayed quickness, defense and outside shooting. His pick and roll and pick and pop skills improved as the season went on. It's not like he's Leandro Barbosa and has no chance to get better. I'd much prefer to develop Douglas and sign a vet like Steve Blake or Luke Ridnour over spending money on someone like Shaun Livingston - who doesn't shoot the ball well enough to be Mike D'Antoni's PG anyway.
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5/4/2010  12:55 PM
iSergio wrote:And pairing Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire or Carlos Boozer with David Lee is a terrible idea. This is not a video game or fantasy basketball. Two frontcourt players are never going to average 40 and 20 between them. I think if we sign someone like Bosh, STAT or Boozer, we also need to acquire a 'bodyguard' type next to them. Someone who will do the dirty work and not get in their way offensively. Lee is not that type.

agreed.

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