at this point in time, d'antoni = mike brown until proven otherwise.

This is like saying Jeff Van Gundy was just as good a coach as Pat Riley. After all he accomplished just as much if not more than Pat did with the Knicks right? OR did he take over a team Pat build and just follow the model?

Anyone that think DAntoni didnt do a great job coaching in Pho is lost. When Porter got canned Gentry played MDA ball and now they are up 1-0 on the Spurs. MDA won a coach of the year award when Amare went down and Boris Diaw was the starting center. Whether you like his style or not the guy can coach. Like every coach in the NBA he needs talent. There is a reason Phil Jackson didnt take what would have been the highest paid coaching job in the NBA ever. Because he knew the mojo zen mastering triangle offense might as well have been Eddie Jordan's princeton offense with the talent the Knicks had.

Larry Brown, Lenny Wilkins, Isiah Thomas, Mike Dantoni.. all had some coaching success until they came here. To bad Phil Jackson didnt come, it would have been nice to add him to that list.

fishmike wrote:wrong. Gentry came in and installed DAntoni's offense. He point blank said after Porter (defense comes first) got fired he went to playing the style that Mike played when he was here and they started winning immediatly.

This is like saying Jeff Van Gundy was just as good a coach as Pat Riley. After all he accomplished just as much if not more than Pat did with the Knicks right? OR did he take over a team Pat build and just follow the model?

Anyone that think DAntoni didnt do a great job coaching in Pho is lost. When Porter got canned Gentry played MDA ball and now they are up 1-0 on the Spurs. MDA won a coach of the year award when Amare went down and Boris Diaw was the starting center. Whether you like his style or not the guy can coach. Like every coach in the NBA he needs talent. There is a reason Phil Jackson didnt take what would have been the highest paid coaching job in the NBA ever. Because he knew the mojo zen mastering triangle offense might as well have been Eddie Jordan's princeton offense with the talent the Knicks had.

Larry Brown, Lenny Wilkins, Isiah Thomas, Mike Dantoni.. all had some coaching success until they came here. To bad Phil Jackson didnt come, it would have been nice to add him to that list.

Excellent post Fish, couldn't agree with you more. People who knock on MDA either dont like his style or personality or both, whihc has nothing to do with his ability to coach and win ball games.

fishmike wrote:wrong. Gentry came in and installed DAntoni's offense.

alvin gentry's offensive playbook:

Play 1:

- give ball to steve nash

THE END.

Uptown wrote:Ontop of that, when did MDA ever have a 2 guard as good as J Rich?

That guy Joe Johnson ring a bell.

Uptown wrote:Ontop of that, when did MDA ever have a 2 guard as good as J Rich?

Well Once Upon A Time In A Land Far Far Away.....there was this 6'8" 240lb 2guard by the name of Joe Johnson he coached on the Suns in 2004-2005 when the team won 62gms that season. Joe Johnson played 82gms, averaged 17ppg, 3.5ast, 5.2reb, 48%FG(3pt), 46%FG, 1stl, and almost all numbers with exception to overall FG% are better than Suns current 2guard J-Rich.

Since you forgot about Joe Johnson so much so....... we're left with no other conclusion than to not offer him MAX MONEY since he isn't the caliber 2 guard of J-Rich.

GET IT

GOT IT

GOOD

GOD BLESS

GOOD NIGHT

AND

THE END!

Nalod wrote:
If the Suns win does MDA's stock actually go up with some of you?

Likewise, if they lose does he lose some luster?

MDA haters want Del Negro Yet? Dude did as well as Skiles.

doesnt change... why should it?

Nalod wrote:Why doesn't coaches get credit when they take players and make them into MVP's.

Nash was not an MVP until MDA was his coach. Shawn Marion was no blue chip pick.

Jordan was a selfish shoot first stat whore until Jax came on board.
Pippin was a low 1st round pick before the Zen Master got him.

Kobe was a young bone head and SHaq major egomaniac and he got 3 rings. Talent was there but it was very combustive.

Why do we not give credit to good coaches?

Adelman had some great talent on his teams but never could take them to the next level. Not in POrtland, Not in Sacremento and not in Houstan.

Van gundy Owned Riley's Heat. Only time they got past us was the "Brawl".

lots of those guys were still elite talents (or close). im not sold on phil -- had he gotten the minn job way back, would he even be around today? shaq was in the finals before jackson with hill, won 60 games with del harris in la. elite talent seems to be a greater factor in teams winning over coaches. not saying coaches dont help or cant hurt.

fishmike wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

Nalod wrote:Why doesn't coaches get credit when they take players and make them into MVP's.

Nash was not an MVP until MDA was his coach. Shawn Marion was no blue chip pick.

Jordan was a selfish shoot first stat whore until Jax came on board.
Pippin was a low 1st round pick before the Zen Master got him.

Kobe was a young bone head and SHaq major egomaniac and he got 3 rings. Talent was there but it was very combustive.

Why do we not give credit to good coaches?

Adelman had some great talent on his teams but never could take them to the next level. Not in POrtland, Not in Sacremento and not in Houstan.

Van gundy Owned Riley's Heat. Only time they got past us was the "Brawl".

lots of those guys were still elite talents (or close). im not sold on phil -- had he gotten the minn job way back, would he even be around today? shaq was in the finals before jackson with hill, won 60 games with del harris in la. elite talent seems to be a greater factor in teams winning over coaches. not saying coaches dont help or cant hurt.

which is exactly why I am the king of being annoyed around here when people bitch and moan about MDA. Larry, Lenny and Isiah also sucked. The problem is with the roster. We have some good players but have some massive holes you cant win without

understand... however its hard to escape the mike brown stuff with many of these coaches. if the talent is elite or very good, why should a coach get a ton of credit? to me cle wins cuz of lbj.

i can see a coach being a diff maker in terms of tweaks to role players or getting a star to buy into something (like stats != winning). maybe rick carlisle is a good example... 50+ wins many times, and a 60 win season for ind and a coach of the year. that award has to be either the most worthless one out there or its a curse. dude got fired a year after getting it, like many other recent winners.