Elite wrote:this is not really the FA class for size.... we might have to do that thru trade

You start Amare/Lee/Gallo and you have 3 big skilled guys that shoot a high % and arent going to get pushed around

BRIGGS wrote:If anyone has watched these playoffs--you need some big players upfront and I mean big to be in the chase.

I am with you BRIGGS, but we have had this problem since the decline of Ewing and trading Camby away. Our front line has seriously been a joke for the past decade.

iSergio wrote:This is why I will never feel comfortable with David Lee as the Center on the team.

I completely agree with that. The knicks need a plan of action that will give them size up front. To rely on Eddy for that we can't as we all know he is always going to take the easy way out with injuries. That is why I think trading Chandler for a Whiteside or Cousins would be acceptable. Other trade that I would ok for Chandler would Jordon from Clips, or McGee from the Wizards. Players that would fit in ideally with Amare or Bosh type players.

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:This is why I will never feel comfortable with David Lee as the Center on the team.

Who here is comfortable with that? Is there anyone here that hasnt said we need to improve the frontcourt? I am deadset on Lee coming back, because 20/10 guys that score at 55% are building block players. He needs help. Whether its another PF/C type like Amare, or a trade for a guy like OK4, Dalembert. I like Tyrus Thomas also. I think he would be a great center in an uptempo offense. Dude runs like a guard and can really fill the lane. Tyrus Thomas is somewhat of an enigma, but you could probably get Lee + Tyrus for the same price as Bosh. Thats a no brainer to me.

I would be happy w/
Lee $9mm (6 years $70mm)
Tyrus Thomas $8mm (5 years $47mm)
Earl Barron $2.5 (3 years $8.5mm)

That leaves you max money to sign a wing player (Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson) or a group of guys to give you depth. You could afford Mike Miller, Livingston and Raja Bell

Fishmike, I wouldn't go with that. Earl Barron isn't proven as a back up I say keep him. Ty thomas is at best 6'8'', Lee another 6'9'' guy sorry but that leaves the team defensively vulnerable. I can see Joe Johnson becoming a Knick much more than LeBron or Wade. Would like to see the Knicks trade Curry's expiring and Douglass and future consideration for Chris Paul. Sign Joe Johnson and Bosh. Trade Chandler for Whiteside, Cousins, Jordon or McGee. Need for shot blocking and height factor. If trading Chandler is out of the question or he is involved with a deal for Chris Paul then I would consider Barron only then but from what I saw in the 5 games he played was good hustle but didn't really see him alter shots block shots the things centers should do.

The Lineup that I would like to see next year. If LeBron or Wade are not factors:
Gallo sf
Bosh pf
Whiteside c
Johnson sg
Paul pg

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

iSergio wrote:This is why I will never feel comfortable with David Lee as the Center on the team.

Who here is comfortable with that? Is there anyone here that hasnt said we need to improve the frontcourt? I am deadset on Lee coming back, because 20/10 guys that score at 55% are building block players. He needs help. Whether its another PF/C type like Amare, or a trade for a guy like OK4, Dalembert. I like Tyrus Thomas also. I think he would be a great center in an uptempo offense. Dude runs like a guard and can really fill the lane. Tyrus Thomas is somewhat of an enigma, but you could probably get Lee + Tyrus for the same price as Bosh. Thats a no brainer to me.

I would be happy w/
Lee $9mm (6 years $70mm)
Tyrus Thomas $8mm (5 years $47mm)
Earl Barron $2.5 (3 years $8.5mm)

That leaves you max money to sign a wing player (Lebron, Wade, Joe Johnson) or a group of guys to give you depth. You could afford Mike Miller, Livingston and Raja Bell

Fishmike, I wouldn't go with that. Earl Barron isn't proven as a back up I say keep him. Ty thomas is at best 6'8'', Lee another 6'9'' guy sorry but that leaves the team defensively vulnerable. I can see Joe Johnson becoming a Knick much more than LeBron or Wade. Would like to see the Knicks trade Curry's expiring and Douglass and future consideration for Chris Paul. Sign Joe Johnson and Bosh. Trade Chandler for Whiteside, Cousins, Jordon or McGee. Need for shot blocking and height factor. If trading Chandler is out of the question or he is involved with a deal for Chris Paul then I would consider Barron only then but from what I saw in the 5 games he played was good hustle but didn't really see him alter shots block shots the things centers should do.

The Lineup that I would like to see next year. If LeBron or Wade are not factors:
Gallo sf
Bosh pf
Whiteside c
Johnson sg
Paul pg

The rest has ZERO chance. Chris Paul is a top 5 player in this league and your offering Eddie Curry and Toney Douglas? Cmon dude. Whiteside? Just because he's tall doesnt mean he's good.

I don't- and have no idea what the rumors were of Walsh trying to trade for him.

Chances are we come out of this off season with very little to show for it, and whatever we do add- chances are it will be a stretch to get to 40 wins with whatever talent we do have.

Mediocrity, thy Franchise is the Knicks.

fishmike wrote:Tyrus Thomas measured 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan and 9 foot standing reach and a 40 inch verticle leap.
By contrast: Al Horford is 9'10 with a 7'0 wingspan and an 8'11 standing reach and a 35 inch verticle leap.

Whats the difference? When Thomas raises his arms he's taller than Horford, a guy most around here would covet.

I'm not riding Tyrus's jock here, but he would represent and athletic shot blocker and help defender you could play next to Lee. He's an explosive athlete to say the least.

Pistons won a title (almost 2) with long athletic skilled players. Their center was 6'8.

My first choice is to put a bigman next to Lee. But if I cant get one at least give me a guy who plays big. Harrington plays like a guard. Bosh for Lee doesnt make us better and I'm not dumping a good player we can sign cheaper here to watch Bosh hurt his vagina year after year.

Luckily Walsh will resign Lee. You can pretty much write that in stone

Fishmike, I'm looking at it from a championship perspective. You aren't looking at it that way. You aren't going to win a championship with a 6'8'' guy and a 6'9'' playing at center and pf. Its not going to happen. All you have to do is look at the Lakers with their two 7' plus players. In the playoffs height is a factor its a need its a must. You sited Ben Wallace who by the way was an excellent defensive player a player of the year. But even he had to play with a Rasheed Wallace who himself is listed as 6'11'' then you have Prince who himself was a 6'9'' player. You have to have a front line with height. The year the Pistons won they had Okur who was a major factor in winning a championship he is 7'. You can keep Lee but get a legit 7'+ Center to play with him. Same with Bosh if he is going to be a KNick then I want a legit center playing with him and same goes for Amare. Even if LeBron or Wade become Knick players I still want a legit Center. All I got to say is enough with the trick line ups. That is why I say its time for the Knicks to consider trading Chandler for a Center especially a Center that is young and who is up and coming with defensive capabilities.

Uptown wrote:

franco12 wrote:Fish - you think MDA would be happy with Ty? I mean, for more than 15 minutes?

I don't- and have no idea what the rumors were of Walsh trying to trade for him.

Chances are we come out of this off season with very little to show for it, and whatever we do add- chances are it will be a stretch to get to 40 wins with whatever talent we do have.

Mediocrity, thy Franchise is the Knicks.

Your post are becoming redundant. Please give a detailed reason why MDA woldn't want to play Ty Thomas extended minutes, yet he'll play Jefrries and Earl Barron, a d league call up extended minutes? Please elaborate.

MDA wants guys on offense that are able to make quick decisions. Granted, I haven't watched a ton of Ty Thomas- but I have yet to see him play like a smart offensive player.

I think Jefferies was able to move the ball - he couldn't shoot for beans, but he knew to swing the ball. And I think Mike liked his gimmick defense.

And don't under estimate the conversation Walsh may be having with Mike: Play JJ- I want to trade him. Play Earl - lets find out if he can be cheap filler for us next year.

And Earl played the ultimate in garbage minutes - when even Nixluva & our front office had conceded any shot at the play offs.

I think Ty can address many of the problems we've had as far as a lack of height and blocked shots in the middle.

I just don't think MDA would give him more time than he gave Darko.