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Andrew
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4/21/2010  12:31 PM
I really doubt the validity of this article. Can't understand most of it.

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knicks1248
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4/21/2010  12:47 PM
do you speak spanish, cause if you don't, i can see why your having trouble
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4/21/2010  1:09 PM
Sergio isnt even worth the QO.
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4/21/2010  1:10 PM
I think this is a good deal for Sergio, but then again I am one of the few that actually like Sergio in UK.
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4/21/2010  1:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  1:48 PM
Sergio Rodriguez is a solid backup PG but I doubt we'll resign him.
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4/21/2010  1:54 PM
iSergio wrote:Sergio Rodriguez is a solid backup PG but I doubt we'll resign him.

what were the details of the atricle

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4/21/2010  2:15 PM
I'm a professional translator, lived in Madrid for years.

Headline: "Knicks Prepared to Offer $6 Million/2 years to Sergio Rodriguez"
It says

"According to what Tubasket.com has found out, that is the amount that the franchise has already floated for the Canarian point guard to stay in NY for two seasons, until 2012.

Sergio is unsure whether to return to Spain or stay in the capital of the world."

It then goes on to break down some CBA and salary cap issues.

It sounds like it could easily be bull**** to me.

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4/21/2010  2:22 PM
^ doesnt even make sense why the Knicks would offer that kind of money when they dont need to.
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4/21/2010  2:31 PM
martin wrote:^ doesnt even make sense why the Knicks would offer that kind of money when they dont need to.

3 million for a backup is rather cheap by NBA standards. Duhon was offered a similar deal by Orlando before he signed with us for the full MLE.

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4/21/2010  2:37 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:^ doesnt even make sense why the Knicks would offer that kind of money when they dont need to.

3 million for a backup is rather cheap by NBA standards. Duhon was offered a similar deal by Orlando before he signed with us for the full MLE.

so what. they dont need to offer it so why would they.

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4/21/2010  2:56 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:^ doesnt even make sense why the Knicks would offer that kind of money when they dont need to.

3 million for a backup is rather cheap by NBA standards. Duhon was offered a similar deal by Orlando before he signed with us for the full MLE.

so what. they dont need to offer it so why would they.

They offered it because they might want to retain him on the cheap. 2 yrs at 6 is better than 3 yrs at 9 million. Sergio is a RFA therefore other teams must offer a minimum of 3 guaranteed years I believe.

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4/21/2010  3:00 PM
So, if we make the QO and he goes back to Spain, we keep his RFA rights. Anybody know how that effects the cap?
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4/21/2010  3:10 PM
isn't this the same newspaper that reported Sergio was definitely being traded to the Knicks at the 2009 draft? with a quote from Sergio?
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4/21/2010  5:17 PM
nychamp wrote:I'm a professional translator, lived in Madrid for years.

Headline: "Knicks Prepared to Offer $6 Million/2 years to Sergio Rodriguez"
It says

"According to what Tubasket.com has found out, that is the amount that the franchise has already floated for the Canarian point guard to stay in NY for two seasons, until 2012.

Sergio is unsure whether to return to Spain or stay in the capital of the world."

It then goes on to break down some CBA and salary cap issues.

It sounds like it could easily be bull**** to me.

Thanks dude, but no thanks on retaining this guy. He reminds me of transmission thats slipping...you floor the gas pedal but the car is going 30mph. In other words he's to fast for his own good.

when we first got him a sac fan had posted a scouting report on serg, and hit it on the nose. fancy passes that no one sees coming but him, not being able to finish a layup cause he has no body control( at 100mph it's no wonder) but will occasional surprise you with a nifty no look pass.

Other then that he's usually out of control for the most part

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4/21/2010  5:30 PM
While its hard to dispute that characterization, I tend to view Sergio's failures as problems stemming from the Duhonesque offense. Basically, the Knicks all stand around the 3 pt line and wait for a pick or swing pass. Sergio would consistently break past his defender, get into the paint-- at which point he was swarmed by help defense and yet the now open Knicks were not breaking to the basket, they were still at the 3pt line. That's not to say that Sergio can't be out of control, but I think the team played a bit to static while he was on the court and Sergio benefits from a motion offense.

At this point though, I don't think I would give up on two max free agents to resign Sergio.

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4/21/2010  5:51 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:While its hard to dispute that characterization, I tend to view Sergio's failures as problems stemming from the Duhonesque offense. Basically, the Knicks all stand around the 3 pt line and wait for a pick or swing pass. Sergio would consistently break past his defender, get into the paint-- at which point he was swarmed by help defense and yet the now open Knicks were not breaking to the basket, they were still at the 3pt line. That's not to say that Sergio can't be out of control, but I think the team played a bit to static while he was on the court and Sergio benefits from a motion offense.

At this point though, I don't think I would give up on two max free agents to resign Sergio.

Exactly, but I thought it was the fact that he really didn't know the offense, but he did the same thing in portland. He's the perfect example of a guy tht shows flashes of greatness, but it's ridiculously short lived

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4/21/2010  6:02 PM
Where are all the guys that loved this guy before we picked him up? No one going to defend him? Grass always greener...
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4/21/2010  6:18 PM
I wasn't too familiar with him before we got him, but I was pretty excited that we might be getting a usable player on the cheap. After watching him with the Knicks, I was definitely underwhelmed. 3m isn't a ton of money, but I'm not sure he deserves it anyway.

I also don't understand why, when we might have a tight squeeze salary-wise this off season, we would start by earmarking 3mill for Sergio. He should be fit in later, maybe.

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4/21/2010  6:37 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:While its hard to dispute that characterization, I tend to view Sergio's failures as problems stemming from the Duhonesque offense. Basically, the Knicks all stand around the 3 pt line and wait for a pick or swing pass. Sergio would consistently break past his defender, get into the paint-- at which point he was swarmed by help defense and yet the now open Knicks were not breaking to the basket, they were still at the 3pt line. That's not to say that Sergio can't be out of control, but I think the team played a bit to static while he was on the court and Sergio benefits from a motion offense.

At this point though, I don't think I would give up on two max free agents to resign Sergio.

Exactly, but I thought it was the fact that he really didn't know the offense, but he did the same thing in portland. He's the perfect example of a guy tht shows flashes of greatness, but it's ridiculously short lived

Yeah, perhaps I am optimistic about Sergio when I assume it is the Knicks offense that has gotten some bad habits rather than the PG who has become turnover prone based upon the fact that he gets swarmed in the paint. I think that an offense that has a full pre-season to get familiar with his tenencies (and he can get familiar with their tendencies) and the realization that players will be rewarded for their movement toward the basket-- if and when that occurs, Sergio would be worth every penny of a $3m contract. His abilities are wasted in a half court set though.

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4/21/2010  10:41 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:While its hard to dispute that characterization, I tend to view Sergio's failures as problems stemming from the Duhonesque offense. Basically, the Knicks all stand around the 3 pt line and wait for a pick or swing pass. Sergio would consistently break past his defender, get into the paint-- at which point he was swarmed by help defense and yet the now open Knicks were not breaking to the basket, they were still at the 3pt line. That's not to say that Sergio can't be out of control, but I think the team played a bit to static while he was on the court and Sergio benefits from a motion offense.

At this point though, I don't think I would give up on two max free agents to resign Sergio.

Exactly, but I thought it was the fact that he really didn't know the offense, but he did the same thing in portland. He's the perfect example of a guy tht shows flashes of greatness, but it's ridiculously short lived

Yeah, perhaps I am optimistic about Sergio when I assume it is the Knicks offense that has gotten some bad habits rather than the PG who has become turnover prone based upon the fact that he gets swarmed in the paint. I think that an offense that has a full pre-season to get familiar with his tenencies (and he can get familiar with their tendencies) and the realization that players will be rewarded for their movement toward the basket-- if and when that occurs, Sergio would be worth every penny of a $3m contract. His abilities are wasted in a half court set though.

The kid has great intentions, can really see the floor, but his plays are either to early or to late.
I actually like this kid, but he really needs to shift it in to the appropriate gear.

You know MDA thinks he's the perfect fit, because thats the style he prefers to play and figured
that the current squad should have actually been catching up to him.

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