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Elite
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4/15/2010  12:45 AM
come on, lets be real here.

You can make the argument obviously that Bosh is a better player than Lee. Slightly. IMHO its really really really close. So let me ask you this, if you think Bosh is better than Lee...

Is he 7 million per year better?

Last I checked, Max salary is 17 mil.... Thats what Bosh will want.

I think we can all agree, David Lee would take 10 mil per, to sign with NY. Is bosh REALLY worth THAT MUCH more than Lee??? If you ask me i say HELL FUCKING NO

He's worth like... 2 mil more than lee at most.. hes NOT THAT MUCH BETTER if at all!!! I really hope Walsh considers this and honestly i think he will. Same goes for Amare
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4/15/2010  1:32 AM
bosh is a clear level up from lee. lee maximizes his talent and gives us 20 and 12. there is something to be said for maximizing talent - lee plays his guts out every night. bosh is capable of playing that way - when he does, like november of this season, he puts up more like 30 and 12. he's a different level. bosh is like nowitzki in terms of impact. can he do it on his own? no. but he's DAMN good.

if the knicks can get bosh and joe johnson, they'll be looking at 55-60 wins easy and challenging Cleveland and Orlando for best in the East.

i like david lee, but he's not bosh.

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4/15/2010  2:02 AM
crzymdups wrote:bosh is a clear level up from lee. lee maximizes his talent and gives us 20 and 12. there is something to be said for maximizing talent - lee plays his guts out every night. bosh is capable of playing that way - when he does, like november of this season, he puts up more like 30 and 12. he's a different level. bosh is like nowitzki in terms of impact. can he do it on his own? no. but he's DAMN good.

if the knicks can get bosh and joe johnson, they'll be looking at 55-60 wins easy and challenging Cleveland and Orlando for best in the East.

i like david lee, but he's not bosh.

ok so u think hes not bosh... but is bosh 7 mil better??? thats the question man
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4/15/2010  2:03 AM
if Lee would take $10M per it's a no brainer... i think he gets a lot more this summer personally.
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4/15/2010  10:17 AM
I'd take Chris Bosh at $17M over David Lee at $10M. Why? Simple. Bosh is a SuperStar. Lee isn't. I don't care for Lee's stats. I know Bosh is not Dwight Howard on defense but he's better than Lee. And this is a SuperStar league. And whether it be LeBron James this summer or Chris Paul at the trade deadline, a future Star will want to come here to play with Bosh. I don't think opposing players think that way of Lee. Hope that made sense!
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4/15/2010  10:21 AM
iSergio wrote:I'd take Chris Bosh at $17M over David Lee at $10M. Why? Simple. Bosh is a SuperStar. Lee isn't. I don't care for Lee's stats. I know Bosh is not Dwight Howard on defense but he's better than Lee. And this is a SuperStar league. And whether it be LeBron James this summer or Chris Paul at the trade deadline, a future Star will want to come here to play with Bosh. I don't think opposing players think that way of Lee. Hope that made sense!

how do you define SuperStar? And what has Toronto's SuperStar done for their team?

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4/15/2010  10:25 AM
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:I'd take Chris Bosh at $17M over David Lee at $10M. Why? Simple. Bosh is a SuperStar. Lee isn't. I don't care for Lee's stats. I know Bosh is not Dwight Howard on defense but he's better than Lee. And this is a SuperStar league. And whether it be LeBron James this summer or Chris Paul at the trade deadline, a future Star will want to come here to play with Bosh. I don't think opposing players think that way of Lee. Hope that made sense!

how do you define SuperStar? And what has Toronto's SuperStar done for their team?

Chris Bosh has taken Toronto to the Playoffs twice, is a 5 time NBA All-Star, a career 20/10/1 player and only 26 years old. Obviously, Bosh is not a franchise player and he can't carry a team by himself but he is a SuperStar.
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4/15/2010  10:31 AM
iSergio wrote:
martin wrote:
iSergio wrote:I'd take Chris Bosh at $17M over David Lee at $10M. Why? Simple. Bosh is a SuperStar. Lee isn't. I don't care for Lee's stats. I know Bosh is not Dwight Howard on defense but he's better than Lee. And this is a SuperStar league. And whether it be LeBron James this summer or Chris Paul at the trade deadline, a future Star will want to come here to play with Bosh. I don't think opposing players think that way of Lee. Hope that made sense!

how do you define SuperStar? And what has Toronto's SuperStar done for their team?

Chris Bosh has taken Toronto to the Playoffs twice, is a 5 time NBA All-Star, a career 20/10/1 player and only 26 years old. Obviously, Bosh is not a franchise player and he can't carry a team by himself but he is a SuperStar.

So he is not a franchise player and he can't carry a team by himself and you still call him a superstar? He is an all-star player but he is not in Kobe, LeBron, Wade category. Melo and Durant are knocking on the superstar door along with CP3, and I think Bosh is below them. I would not give Bosh max unless I know for sure LeBron or Wade is coming here. If not then I would sign him a shade below max or just go with DLee at $10M per year.
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4/15/2010  10:34 AM
Elite wrote:
crzymdups wrote:bosh is a clear level up from lee. lee maximizes his talent and gives us 20 and 12. there is something to be said for maximizing talent - lee plays his guts out every night. bosh is capable of playing that way - when he does, like november of this season, he puts up more like 30 and 12. he's a different level. bosh is like nowitzki in terms of impact. can he do it on his own? no. but he's DAMN good.

if the knicks can get bosh and joe johnson, they'll be looking at 55-60 wins easy and challenging Cleveland and Orlando for best in the East.

i like david lee, but he's not bosh.

ok so u think hes not bosh... but is bosh 7 mil better??? thats the question man

we all agree that Bosh will get the max from someone, right?

why are people so convinced that David Lee gets anything less than $14M on the open market? HE'S VERY GOOD. Put him on the right team and he'd be great. Just because Bosh is worth $17M - it doesn't mean DLee is going to give us a hometown discount and sign here under market value. if Bosh is $17M, Dlee is $12M to $14M. he was named an all-star and averaged 20ppg and 12rpg. he was what, 5th in the league in rebounds. and one of three 20ppg 10rpg guys in the whole league.

bosh is not $7M better than lee and the whole league knows this. but that doesn't mean bosh gets less, it means lee gets more.

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4/15/2010  12:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2010  12:23 PM
And what are the Knicks gonna do with the extra "7 million", get another mid tier free agent? Forget that, go for the better player...

On a side note Dolan is made of money, is it not possible to sign both and then get another max even if we go over the cap and have to pay some type of luxury tax?

NVM I found out my answer, it seems "our good old friend" Jimmy Dolan is actually paying the luxury tax for this year...http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/02/19/11-nba-teams-set-to-pay-luxury-tax/
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4/15/2010  1:29 PM
the NBA is a superstar's league. you need two big guns more than anything else. Bosh can be one of those big guns. i don't know if DLee is up at that level.

Bosh and Joe Johnson + Gallo, Wilson, Toney, Bill Walker, Earl Barron and something for Curry's contract and we are a 50 win team, which means top 4 seed in the East.

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4/15/2010  1:59 PM
crzymdups wrote:the NBA is a superstar's league. you need two big guns more than anything else. Bosh can be one of those big guns. i don't know if DLee is up at that level.

Bosh and Joe Johnson + Gallo, Wilson, Toney, Bill Walker, Earl Barron and something for Curry's contract and we are a 50 win team, which means top 4 seed in the East.

Agreed but I dont think Bosh takes 5 yrs.

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4/15/2010  2:18 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:the NBA is a superstar's league. you need two big guns more than anything else. Bosh can be one of those big guns. i don't know if DLee is up at that level.

Bosh and Joe Johnson + Gallo, Wilson, Toney, Bill Walker, Earl Barron and something for Curry's contract and we are a 50 win team, which means top 4 seed in the East.

Agreed but I dont think Bosh takes 5 yrs.

yeah, it might have to be a complicated sign and trade of DLee for Bosh.

dj has mentioned:

Curry + DLee

for

Bosh + Hedo

several times. I bet Toronto would consider it if it were clear Bosh was leaving. But that deal would have to come after signing Joe Johnson. It's going to be complicated.

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4/15/2010  2:26 PM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:the NBA is a superstar's league. you need two big guns more than anything else. Bosh can be one of those big guns. i don't know if DLee is up at that level.

Bosh and Joe Johnson + Gallo, Wilson, Toney, Bill Walker, Earl Barron and something for Curry's contract and we are a 50 win team, which means top 4 seed in the East.

Agreed but I dont think Bosh takes 5 yrs.

yeah, it might have to be a complicated sign and trade of DLee for Bosh.

dj has mentioned:

Curry + DLee

for

Bosh + Hedo

several times. I bet Toronto would consider it if it were clear Bosh was leaving. But that deal would have to come after signing Joe Johnson. It's going to be complicated.

i'd rather get the clap from the knix chick than to take hedo back...

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4/15/2010  2:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:the NBA is a superstar's league. you need two big guns more than anything else. Bosh can be one of those big guns. i don't know if DLee is up at that level.

Bosh and Joe Johnson + Gallo, Wilson, Toney, Bill Walker, Earl Barron and something for Curry's contract and we are a 50 win team, which means top 4 seed in the East.

Agreed but I dont think Bosh takes 5 yrs.

yeah, it might have to be a complicated sign and trade of DLee for Bosh.

dj has mentioned:

Curry + DLee

for

Bosh + Hedo

several times. I bet Toronto would consider it if it were clear Bosh was leaving. But that deal would have to come after signing Joe Johnson. It's going to be complicated.

Hedo? Are you shipping out Gallinari too? Hedo just signed a contract. Why would the Knicks have both Gallinari and Hedo on their roster? That would be horrible roster management. My guess that teams will be looking for real assets like a lot of young talent and attractive DRAFT PICKS. Just combining Chandler with a bunch of castoffs and D-Leaguers will not cut. Honestly, as a fan of that team would you take a deal like that? It's all about free agency. Assets went to Houston for that purpose.

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nyk4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
crzymdups wrote:the NBA is a superstar's league. you need two big guns more than anything else. Bosh can be one of those big guns. i don't know if DLee is up at that level.

Bosh and Joe Johnson + Gallo, Wilson, Toney, Bill Walker, Earl Barron and something for Curry's contract and we are a 50 win team, which means top 4 seed in the East.

Agreed but I dont think Bosh takes 5 yrs.

yeah, it might have to be a complicated sign and trade of DLee for Bosh.

dj has mentioned:

Curry + DLee

for

Bosh + Hedo

several times. I bet Toronto would consider it if it were clear Bosh was leaving. But that deal would have to come after signing Joe Johnson. It's going to be complicated.

i'd rather get the clap from the knix chick than to take hedo back...

Oh my. . Shots fired.

but yeah, I think bosh is 7 million above lee. Margin for error is slim in the league and I think bosh gives us wins where Lee could not. His style of play impacts the game more, IMO. But he has to have another serious baller with him, but we've gone over that.

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4/15/2010  3:36 PM
crzymdups wrote:we all agree that Bosh will get the max from someone, right?

why are people so convinced that David Lee gets anything less than $14M on the open market? HE'S VERY GOOD. Put him on the right team and he'd be great. Just because Bosh is worth $17M - it doesn't mean DLee is going to give us a hometown discount and sign here under market value. if Bosh is $17M, Dlee is $12M to $14M. he was named an all-star and averaged 20ppg and 12rpg. he was what, 5th in the league in rebounds. and one of three 20ppg 10rpg guys in the whole league.

bosh is not $7M better than lee and the whole league knows this. but that doesn't mean bosh gets less, it means lee gets more.

People are throwing numbers around even though David Lee's agent is rumored to want a deal on of 13 million per. David Lee will be less than the max but how much less is the issue.

Regardless if you can get Bosh you do it. team him with a a guy like Joe Johnson and we have a nice core to work with.

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4/15/2010  3:44 PM
Im not as in love with a joe johnson/Bosh combo as you are. To me, their ceiling would be the Atlanta Hawks. A nice 4 or 5 seed at best.
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4/15/2010  3:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2010  3:51 PM
sebstar wrote:Im not as in love with a joe johnson/Bosh combo as you are. To me, their ceiling would be the Atlanta Hawks. A nice 4 or 5 seed at best.

you have to think about stuff long term.

if the knicks take joe from atlanta and bosh from toronto, then both those teams drop.

celtics are crazy old.

which leaves lebron + cleveland, orlando and then maybe some other team rises up...like miami or milwaukee (but that will mean jennings becomes a star player) or nets if they sign some folks.

but joe + bosh in ny w/ d'antoni and dolan's $$$'s mean no worse than 3rd in the east for the next 3-4 years.
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4/15/2010  4:29 PM
damn shame we diddnt sign DLEE last summer for like 8 mil huh lol
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