earthmansurfer wrote:We took a big gamble and I hope it pays off...

I really dislike the idea of trading a potentially pretty good big, especially one who plays good defense and seemingly can score and runs like a Gazelle.

skeng wrote:I hope Jordan Hill does well in whatever place he'll play. If he does, too bad for us. Just Knick luck I guess.

Its not about "knick luck"...we knew the ramifications and the potential consequences that could result from such a deal. This is about Knick dumbassness.

sebstar wrote:

skeng wrote:I hope Jordan Hill does well in whatever place he'll play. If he does, too bad for us. Just Knick luck I guess.

Its not about "knick luck"...we knew the ramifications and the potential consequences that could result from such a deal. This is about Knick dumbassness.

Knick dumbassness? Weren't you the main one saying Hill wasn't very good?

TMS wrote:

sebstar wrote:

skeng wrote:I hope Jordan Hill does well in whatever place he'll play. If he does, too bad for us. Just Knick luck I guess.

Its not about "knick luck"...we knew the ramifications and the potential consequences that could result from such a deal. This is about Knick dumbassness.

dumbassness is what it is... trading a #8 lottery selected rook to dump $9M worth of cap is a move only a fanboy of the FO would support... the same trade proposal would have been laughed off the UK forums by anyone & everyone if made before the rumors came to light that it was pretty much a done deal... now all of a sudden it was absolutely the right move to make... if we weren't going to hold onto this kid & develop him we should have never drafted him to begin with... unless you're getting back a tangible player in a trade, you just don't take these types of chances with your franchise... all these guys talking about how even a 1% chance at signing Lebron or Bosh this summer was worth the risk... now we got all these rumors coming out about Lebron staying put in CLE... i dunno WTF is gonna happen this summer at this point but all i know is DW rolled a huge ass bone with the fate of the Knicks' franchise & for his sake he better hope he don't crap out, cuz then we'll be sending Bubba & his boys after his ass with a pair of pliars & a blowtorch before he cross over the Lincoln Tunnel.

walsh better come up with something good this offseason. Something real good.

sebstar wrote:

Uptown wrote:

sebstar wrote:

skeng wrote:I hope Jordan Hill does well in whatever place he'll play. If he does, too bad for us. Just Knick luck I guess.

Its not about "knick luck"...we knew the ramifications and the potential consequences that could result from such a deal. This is about Knick dumbassness.

Knick dumbassness? Weren't you the main one saying Hill wasn't very good?

This is fair. I wasnt impressed by Hill at all, thats true.

But that just bleeds into my overall narrative that I felt Hill was a poor draft pick, and that our lottery asset was a wasted one. That said, its pretty clear that D'Antoni didnt do all he could to maximize Hill and develop and utilize him.

Since arriving in Houston he has shown far more potential and been way more productive than he ever was here, which begs the question --- what was going on here with Hill and what were the Knicks priorities when it came to their top draft pick.

He should have been more properly developed if for no other reason than it would have given us more leverage at the negotiation table. If Hill would have seen more time and produced at a higher clip, then we probably wouldnt have had to include the other draft picks. This is all about maximization of assets to me.

same here... unfortunately you have some posters around here thinking you're projecting Jordan Hill as the next Wilt Chamberlain if you disagreed with how the FO handled that draft selection... it was just a pisspoor management of assets all the way around... from the non-scouting of Brandon Jennings, to the selection & failure to develop your rook Jordan Hill, to trading him away in a salary dump for a player you're not even sure you're going to be able to sign.

sebstar wrote:This is fair. I wasnt impressed by Hill at all, thats true.

But that just bleeds into my overall narrative that I felt Hill was a poor draft pick, and that our lottery asset was a wasted one. That said, its pretty clear that D'Antoni didnt do all he could to maximize Hill and develop and utilize him.

Since arriving in Houston he has shown far more potential and been way more productive than he ever was here, which begs the question --- what was going on here with Hill and what were the Knicks priorities when it came to their top draft pick.

He should have been more properly developed if for no other reason than it would have given us more leverage at the negotiation table. If Hill would have seen more time and produced at a higher clip, then we probably wouldnt have had to include the other draft picks. This is all about maximization of assets to me.

I mentioned what you said not that long ago on another thread and I just don't get why they didn't try to develop Hill to increase his value. I mean could his value have been any lower (It took him and at least one first rounder to dump 7 million?!?!?!?!).

We had better make a splash this off season, cause D'Antoni F'D up big time with not playing the kid. He is looking pretty good in Houston, scoring at a good clip and helping their defense.

sebstar wrote:absolutely agree with kam and Tms.

clearly none of us are Knick fans on this forum

earthmansurfer wrote:

sebstar wrote:This is fair. I wasnt impressed by Hill at all, thats true.

But that just bleeds into my overall narrative that I felt Hill was a poor draft pick, and that our lottery asset was a wasted one. That said, its pretty clear that D'Antoni didnt do all he could to maximize Hill and develop and utilize him.

Since arriving in Houston he has shown far more potential and been way more productive than he ever was here, which begs the question --- what was going on here with Hill and what were the Knicks priorities when it came to their top draft pick.

He should have been more properly developed if for no other reason than it would have given us more leverage at the negotiation table. If Hill would have seen more time and produced at a higher clip, then we probably wouldnt have had to include the other draft picks. This is all about maximization of assets to me.

I mentioned what you said not that long ago on another thread and I just don't get why they didn't try to develop Hill to increase his value. I mean could his value have been any lower (It took him and at least one first rounder to dump 7 million?!?!?!?!).

We had better make a splash this off season, cause D'Antoni F'D up big time with not playing the kid. He is looking pretty good in Houston, scoring at a good clip and helping their defense.

broken record from me -- if elite talent arrives, no one will care, as i think most agree. if not, the entire draft process for the lotto pick was screwjed... wrong guy selected/not much of a chance/bad trade. we shall see soon how it goes.