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4/9/2010  10:54 PM
Watched the whole Celtic game tonight---and let me tell you--they were trying and had everyone going at home. Shaun Livingston was magnificent from the PG position. They had 0 answer for him. He played a hard tough game and went nearly the whole way going 25 points 7 assists 6 rebounds and played very good D. It's pretty simple--this guy is not only back but his potential is becoming production reality. He looks stronger and is a nightmare match up at PG--ladies and gentleman--if I was going after a PG this summer--this guy would easily be number one on the FA list. The way he's playing--it might take a commitment of 10-12mm but would I rather commit 10-12 mm to Livingston or pay Ray Felton 50=mm? No brainer. If we keep chandler--that is 6-7 and 6-8 in the backcourt. Sometimes they say the steal of the draft--this guy will be the steal in FA and I hope the Knicks are the one's who steal him. No need to overpay or throw around two max contracts. We need a plan for another big man--a quality PG and a high quality 6th man while filling out the bench nicely. If we did get Bosh and shaun


That would be a staring line up of

Bosh-6-11
Lee 6-9
Gallinari-6-10
Chandler-6-8
Livingston 6-7

Biggest team in the league or darn close to it collectively

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4/9/2010  11:54 PM
Briggs you sound excited!!! I felt so bad for the kid when he went down, but i'm glad to see him back on the floor where he belongs. I wonder if DW and MDA are following his progress. I'd have to guess that the news about how he's playing is getting around. People talk and he was once a top young prospect. I love big PG's and i've always wanted to have one, so if we can get him for a great price, I wouldn't mind taking a chance on a short contract to see how he does.
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4/10/2010  12:02 AM
I loved him out of of highschool. He is definitely an upgrade over anyone we got.
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4/10/2010  12:36 AM
Livingston is only 24 and was the 4th pick in the draft. He is a major talent if he is healthy and back from that surgery. It appears that he is and he could be a steal for the Knicks.
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4/10/2010  1:06 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Livingston is only 24 and was the 4th pick in the draft. He is a major talent if he is healthy and back from that surgery. It appears that he is and he could be a steal for the Knicks.

Im willing to go 3 years 18.5mm with 10 of it guaranteed in the first two years.

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4/10/2010  1:15 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Livingston is only 24 and was the 4th pick in the draft. He is a major talent if he is healthy and back from that surgery. It appears that he is and he could be a steal for the Knicks.

Im willing to go 3 years 18.5mm with 10 of it guaranteed in the first two years.


Who would you sign to accompany him in the backcourt. Given his history with injuries, I wouldn't feel comfortable handing him the keys to the offense.
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4/10/2010  1:25 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Livingston is only 24 and was the 4th pick in the draft. He is a major talent if he is healthy and back from that surgery. It appears that he is and he could be a steal for the Knicks.

Im willing to go 3 years 18.5mm with 10 of it guaranteed in the first two years.


Who would you sign to accompany him in the backcourt. Given his history with injuries, I wouldn't feel comfortable handing him the keys to the offense.

I think that we will have Duhon back on a min contract. Listen--you ahev this guy killing Rondo playing 42 minutes--played big minutes multiple times. Grant Hill came back and seems to keep getting better and he's 13 years older than Shaun.

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4/10/2010  1:58 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Livingston is only 24 and was the 4th pick in the draft. He is a major talent if he is healthy and back from that surgery. It appears that he is and he could be a steal for the Knicks.

Im willing to go 3 years 18.5mm with 10 of it guaranteed in the first two years.


Who would you sign to accompany him in the backcourt. Given his history with injuries, I wouldn't feel comfortable handing him the keys to the offense.

I think that we will have Duhon back on a min contract. Listen--you ahev this guy killing Rondo playing 42 minutes--played big minutes multiple times. Grant Hill came back and seems to keep getting better and he's 13 years older than Shaun.

I was hoping that you'd say someone other than Duhon. I'd split the Pg spot with him and Ridenour until he proved he was up to snuff physically. But, the kid does look good.

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4/10/2010  2:01 AM
"I started getting a little nervous," Blatche said. "But Shaun calmed everybody down and took control of the game. That's the kind of leadership we've got on this team, and that's exactly what he did."

briggs, couldn't agree more. love livingston's game. his bball IQ is off the charts and he's a true pass-first point. amazing size for the position. why keep duhon as a backup when you have douglas? to me, douglas has shown to be an above-average backup at this point, not a full-fledged starter. i'd love bringing douglas off the bench with livingston as the starter. he's showing in WAS he can do it, i pray to god that walsh is watching. perfect for this guy.

i don't like getting into the contract talk b/c i basically see 5 guys in play: LBJ, dwade, joe johnson, amare, and bosh. i think the knicks will get 1-2 of those guys. i think david lee will walk (knicks should offer 5 yrs 40 mil i think he'll get 50 mil from someone like the thunder).

bring back gallinari, chandler, douglas...those guys are the only definites to me. i like bill walker at a cheap contract as a bench guy, and i don't see why earl barron shouldn't be signed to a cheap one year guaranteed contract based on what he's shown in the last week. big men are hard to come by and he's playing hard.

gallinari and chandler are both starting caliber. douglas, walker, and barron are bench guys. i'd bring back eddie house too as a bench guy, he's really perfect as a 9th man in this system. sign livingston to something reasonable 3 yrs 18 mil i think is, he's your starting pg. you have 3 starters and 4 bench guys and enough money for a max guy and 2-3 long shots, plus the 2nd round pick.

walsh, the rest is up to you.

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4/10/2010  9:27 AM
Very happy for Shaun Livingston. His injury was the worst I've ever seen in the NBA. But sorry Briggs, I don't see this genius coach signing him. Livingston has zero range, especially from three. Mike D'Antoni won't even consider him.
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4/10/2010  10:57 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Livingston is only 24 and was the 4th pick in the draft. He is a major talent if he is healthy and back from that surgery. It appears that he is and he could be a steal for the Knicks.

Im willing to go 3 years 18.5mm with 10 of it guaranteed in the first two years.


Who would you sign to accompany him in the backcourt. Given his history with injuries, I wouldn't feel comfortable handing him the keys to the offense.

I think that we will have Duhon back on a min contract. Listen--you ahev this guy killing Rondo playing 42 minutes--played big minutes multiple times. Grant Hill came back and seems to keep getting better and he's 13 years older than Shaun.

why do u think Grant Hill can come back & keep getting better but T-Mac is done? just curious... Hill looked more finished to me than any other player & he's looking pretty good right now playing in Phoenix... same with McDyess... T-Mac is only 30 years old i don't think he's finished for good.

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4/10/2010  11:39 AM
Yea we should go for this guy.

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4/10/2010  12:31 PM
I been watching as well...I'm down with it Briggs
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4/10/2010  1:00 PM
EnySpree wrote:I been watching as well...I'm down with it Briggs

The guy is simply healed--that is the bottom line. He may have lost slight lateral speed but I see no lost vertical--never a guy who could sky but he can still get up. But forgetting all of that--this is a mature 24 year old 6-7 PG who has triple double capabilities and can shoot 50%. We have 34mm+ $ to spend--unless the name LBJ comes here--why in God s green earth would I spend 34mm on two other player--wade is a Heat--going no where. Ill spend 6mm on Livingston and pencil him in at the starting PG--he's been playing 40+ minutes but we really dont need him to do that. We really could use a PG who can do 30-32 minutes we haev TD coming back and either we draft a PG or bring in a vet min like Duhon or even both--I mean we have 15 roster spots and we were thin on PG's.


Think about this for one second--your a team like Dallas--you have no cap room--you could literally coupo the FA market using your MLE and being aggressive with it with Shaun and win FA on a $-$ basis production. He's gets a potential star for chicken feed.

I don't know about you dudes but I would throw up if we gave Joe Johnson 5 years 85mm. If you break that cash up and bring in a Livingston at 6--you could also resign Lee--and still have 18mm to spend.

The main positions that need to be improved --C PG 6th Man that does not include resigning david Lee]--then find out what we need for a diversified bench. We lose Lee than we have no frontourt players. If we ended up with lee Bosh Barron and a 6-10 240 PF draft pick --we'd have a deeper more diversified frontcourt. I think it possible to take care of a 6th man using Curry's contract we could spend 6mm on Livingston--and go a series of 1 yr contracts so wed be back in FA in 2011 if needed.

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4/10/2010  1:16 PM

NY FA


Resign David Lee 6 yrs 60
Chris Bosh 5 years 85mm
Shaun Livingston 3 years 18mm last one team option
Earl Baron 3 years 4.5mm
retain walker
Eddy Curry and pick 38 to Detroit for Ben Gordon
Pick 39 ?
Line up
C Bosh 6-11 260
F Lee 6-9 250
F Danilo Gallinari 6-10 245
G Wil C 6-8 225
PG S Livingston 6-7 200
6th man Ben Gordon
C Earl Barron
F B Walker
G Tony Douglas

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4/10/2010  1:23 PM
how is livingston on the pick and roll? If he can handle running this offense im all for bosh, lee and a 6'7 point guard with Rooster and chandler on the wings...
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4/10/2010  1:45 PM
itchetrigr wrote:how is livingston on the pick and roll? If he can handle running this offense im all for bosh, lee and a 6'7 point guard with Rooster and chandler on the wings...

He's high quality all the way around.

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4/10/2010  4:41 PM
Back before his injury I never thought we had a chance to get this kid, but now due to the circumstances he's within reach. I'm pretty sure they'll do a thorough exam to make sure his knees are structurally sound, but from just a visual look he looks strong and smooth. He's one of those guys that looks like he's not moving fast but he's actually moving at a good pace. It makes me even more optimistic for next year seeing another option out there we can easily afford.
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4/10/2010  4:48 PM
I'd like to get him on the team but I wouldn't overpay for him... wouldn't want to risk it. Be competitive with an offer but that's it.
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4/10/2010  6:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:

NY FA


Resign David Lee 6 yrs 60
Chris Bosh 5 years 85mm
Shaun Livingston 3 years 18mm last one team option
Earl Baron 3 years 4.5mm
retain walker
Eddy Curry and pick 38 to Detroit for Ben Gordon
Pick 39 ?
Line up
C Bosh 6-11 260
F Lee 6-9 250
F Danilo Gallinari 6-10 245
G Wil C 6-8 225
PG S Livingston 6-7 200
6th man Ben Gordon
C Earl Barron
F B Walker
G Tony Douglas

*

I think a team like NJ would be willing to pay Lee 60 million over 5 yrs because they need to get people coming to games and David Lee has a major fanbase in the Tristate area. Plus David Lee playing next to Bosh is going to put up weak stats. I much prefer sliding Gallo to PF.

Bosh
Gallo
Chandler
????
Livingston

Bench:
Walker
Landry(Dump Giddens and sign Landry)
Douglas
Duhon


I'd try to trade for Arenas and his contract and slide him in at SG. It is the most affordable solution.

With all that said I dont think we get Bosh or Amare. I think we resign Lee and he plays PF for us.

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