is anyone on the same page as me

Second, this post didnt make a lick of Goddamn sense.

sisqo8 wrote:the nickname is very old ...but calling me my dude is "very suspect" but all im hearing is if we get joe johnson and camby and lee this was a waste or something like that ill tell you what part of me thinks this team maybe be a better team with a group of guys as opposed to 2 max guys... something like johnson ginobili or dirk (for a cheaper contract) lee and camby. None of these guys are max contracts but i think it would help seeing a team like this with the developement of our young's and a more dangerous team than being a torn acl from being irrelevant mda's system is better with a group of players that can play as opposed too superstars also, tho sometimes it makes people look like superstars { ask shawn marion }

Thats like a 44 win team though. Is that how we're measuring success? Mortgage everything so we can be a 5-7 seed for the next couple of years?

We should want more.

sisqo8 wrote:i definitely think lebron does give us the best chance to win, and god knows id give an arm to have him in a knick uni but i do not think it is the only chance of winning

i agree we can still build a winning team even if we don't land Lebron... i've been saying the same if we lose out on the big names we should focus on building a team with a lot of depth & gathering as many assets as possible rather than investing big dollars on guys like Joe Johnson, David Lee or Carlos Boozer & expect to be able to build a championship calibre team around guys like that... having tradeable chips in terms of young talent & draft picks is historically the best way to build a championship contender... it's a tried & proven method... we are attempting something that has never been done before in the history of the NBA, which is to basically build a team almost from scratch through free agency... DW has a tough job ahead of him this summer, but he chose to take this path, so it's his head that will be on the line if he fails.

TMS wrote:

sisqo8 wrote:i definitely think lebron does give us the best chance to win, and god knows id give an arm to have him in a knick uni but i do not think it is the only chance of winning

i agree we can still build a winning team even if we don't land Lebron... i've been saying the same if we lose out on the big names we should focus on building a team with a lot of depth & gathering as many assets as possible rather than investing big dollars on guys like Joe Johnson, David Lee or Carlos Boozer & expect to be able to build a championship calibre team around guys like that... having tradeable chips in terms of young talent & draft picks is historically the best way to build a championship contender... it's a tried & proven method... we are attempting something that has never been done before in the history of the NBA, which is to basically build a team almost from scratch through free agency... DW has a tough job ahead of him this summer, but he chose to take this path, so it's his head that will be on the line if he fails.

I agree with you TMS. Unfortunately, if we don't land LeBron or Wade, I can totally see us throwing huge dollars at Joe Johnson or someone like that, when I'd rather either stand put and gather cheap assets, shoot to be the worst team in the league, and then shoot for Carmello while also having the #1 pick. Not that that will have as much meaning b/c there will be a lockout.

I also wouldn't mind just resigning Lee starting at 10 or so a year, and also grab Camby for 2 or 3 years. That's a pretty nice frontcourt.

Then you can explore making Douglas the starting PG, and put Chandler at the 2, Gallo at the 3, and that's really a pretty good defensive lineup. Only 1 of those guys doesn't play defense, which is bad, but it's obviously better than having 3, 4 or 5 guys who don't play defense. I wonder if that starting lineup would make any noise in the NBA.

Then you still have room for Melo after the lockout.

sebstar wrote:

sisqo8 wrote:i think that is at least a 50 win team under mda those guys are smart players that would{already hbave in lee and jj) flourish under him

So can I assume by your thread title that you are essentially admitting what many around here are afraid to admit....That you're holding Donnie to a different standard than Isiah?

We should be holding Donnie to a different standard. Donnie was the GM of the Pacers, a very successful and steady franchise for 25 or so years. A guy with a rock solid reputation as an NBA executive who went to school for this stuff, from what I gather. Isiah is a player who tried to be an executive, but ran the CBA into bankruptcy, and did nothing special with the Raptors, other than drafting 3 very good players.

Yet, you say we hold different standards for those two. As far as I remember, expectations were through the roof for Isiah (B/c of how he drafted in Toronto and dealt with young players in Indy) when he entered here, and same for Donnie. And as soon as things started going wrong, we first started blaming whatever coach (as it's going now) and then turned our attention to Isiah and turned on him like Wolves on an outcast pack member. It's already obvious that the same is holding true in this situation, and some of the attention is turning towards Walsh. If he doesn't grab a big name, there's no shot in hell the fans give him a pass.

And the reason he's saying "I didn't know about these FAs" is b/c he's playing stupid. He doesn't want to lose his job if he's unsuccessful. Unfortunately, playing stupid doesn't work most of the time, unless your boss is James Dolan.

Same shit, different day, Sebstar.

TMS wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

TMS wrote:

sisqo8 wrote:i definitely think lebron does give us the best chance to win, and god knows id give an arm to have him in a knick uni but i do not think it is the only chance of winning

i agree we can still build a winning team even if we don't land Lebron... i've been saying the same if we lose out on the big names we should focus on building a team with a lot of depth & gathering as many assets as possible rather than investing big dollars on guys like Joe Johnson, David Lee or Carlos Boozer & expect to be able to build a championship calibre team around guys like that... having tradeable chips in terms of young talent & draft picks is historically the best way to build a championship contender... it's a tried & proven method... we are attempting something that has never been done before in the history of the NBA, which is to basically build a team almost from scratch through free agency... DW has a tough job ahead of him this summer, but he chose to take this path, so it's his head that will be on the line if he fails.

I agree with you TMS. Unfortunately, if we don't land LeBron or Wade, I can totally see us throwing huge dollars at Joe Johnson or someone like that, when I'd rather either stand put and gather cheap assets, shoot to be the worst team in the league, and then shoot for Carmello while also having the #1 pick. Not that that will have as much meaning b/c there will be a lockout.

I also wouldn't mind just resigning Lee starting at 10 or so a year, and also grab Camby for 2 or 3 years. That's a pretty nice frontcourt.

Then you can explore making Douglas the starting PG, and put Chandler at the 2, Gallo at the 3, and that's really a pretty good defensive lineup. Only 1 of those guys doesn't play defense, which is bad, but it's obviously better than having 3, 4 or 5 guys who don't play defense. I wonder if that starting lineup would make any noise in the NBA.

Then you still have room for Melo after the lockout.

like u said, unfortunately that won't be the Knicks' priority this summer if we miss out on Lebron or Wade... we will do whatever it takes to put together a contending team next year even if it means signing up overpaid talent to longterm deals... they are all in on the starphuch plan, that's the only plan James Dolan cares about... he wants big names no matter who they are... that's what sells tickets in his mind... even broken down big names like Tracy McGrady will do... anything to get the fans in the seats.

Depresssing and possibly true, but hopefully not.

sisqo8 wrote:I do not see donnie throwing the max at joe johnson..... he sees the same basketball that we do, the hawks are really good, but joe johnson did not carry them there by himself ..... like some of the max players have done in the past

I didn't expect Donnie to trade future picks either but he did.