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Donnie in frank isola's article: Free Agency only way to build
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alau53
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3/29/2010  3:24 PM

Walsh is adamant that even if the Knicks had their 2010 first-round pick, he would not have veered from his original plan to build the Knicks through free agency. For the past two seasons, Walsh has made trades for the purpose of getting the Knicks under the salary cap this summer.

They now have enough cap space to sign two "max" free agents from a class that could include LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Amar'e Stoudemire, Chris Bosh, Joe Johnson and Rudy Gay.

"I still would have gone the same way," Walsh said. "I've built teams through the draft and that takes longer. First, you have to get the players and they have to play together for three years. You're talking about something that could take seven years.

"I don't want to take that long. And I don't know what the appetite in New York would be for something like that. You can do that in other cities. But when you really analyze it, probably the
best way and fastest way is free agency. I do think this is a good way for us."

WTF: if donnie drafts the right people you can build a winner instantly thru the draft..it does not take 7 years..i guess this is his excuse for trading away potential lottery picks

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3/29/2010  3:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2010  3:31 PM
"I don't want to take that long. And I don't know what the appetite in New York would be for something like that. You can do that in other cities. But when you really analyze it, probably the
best way and fastest way is free agency. I do think this is a good way for us."

wow, where have we heard this "you can't rebuild in New York" line before? i guess u really can't when a GM who was brought in to rebuild this franchise doesn't even believe u can do it.

we should rename our franchise to the New York Starphuchers at this point.

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3/29/2010  3:33 PM
Dolan Dolan Dolan
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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3/29/2010  3:56 PM
what team has ever built through free agency..most of the good teams build thru the draft and good trades
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3/29/2010  4:15 PM
Would you guys like it better if Donnie trades for players rather than signing free agents outright? He has cap flexibility, a few good young players, a boatload of expired contracts... he is in position to build a team this summer. To continually cry about Donnie's methods doesn't help anyone. This is what it is. The course has been chosen. Time to get on board or get left behind.
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3/29/2010  4:27 PM
sorry, different topic but...

Feel free to refer to me from now on as Sergio_Fan#99

who are the other 98?

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3/29/2010  4:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2010  4:28 PM
TMS wrote:
"I don't want to take that long. And I don't know what the appetite in New York would be for something like that. You can do that in other cities. But when you really analyze it, probably the
best way and fastest way is free agency. I do think this is a good way for us."

wow, where have we heard this "you can't rebuild in New York" line before? i guess u really can't when a GM who was brought in to rebuild this franchise doesn't even believe u can do it.

we should rename our franchise to the New York Starphuchers at this point.

Walsh is Dolan employee so he does what boss is asking him to do.
This practice is the ONLY one used by Cablevision with Knicks and Rangers.
It was successful only once with Rangers, when they get lucky to get players who were not only stars and superstars, but also warriors.
Obviously this was a lucky accident.
Can they (and we) become lucky again? My poker practice is telling me otherwise.
But who knows, really stupid bustards like Jimmy can step in the same pile of sht twice a lot, so why not get lucky twice?

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3/29/2010  5:04 PM
There is a big issue building exclusively through free agency.
You rarely get anybody below market value, and usually the reverse -- you overpay.
Its hard to build a championship team without at least some players that contribute
far away above the salary that you're paying them, because otherwise there's not enough
money to go around to have a solid starting 5 and at least a couple of good subs.
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3/29/2010  5:17 PM
TMS wrote:sorry, different topic but...

Feel free to refer to me from now on as Sergio_Fan#99

who are the other 98?

Lol... I am being disproven on the Sergio support, but I still think the kid can ball. I think sometimes he is considered 'out of control' when he drives and finds himself in the paint by himself surrounded by three defenders... and not one Knick cutting to the hoop (they are all standing at the three point line).

But, TD is outplaying SRod on both ends of the court.

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3/29/2010  5:33 PM

<Cue the Imperial March>Now the circle is complete.

Checketts had once talked of rebuilding when Ewing got old, but in the interim, he had promised Charles Dolan double-digit revenue growth annually. Checketts later mused that New York wouldn't stand for a rebuilding project, but his ambition had precluded it too. Instead, he had to keep his cash cow producing and take ever-bigger chances, trying to patch on the fly.

It started with this quote from Checketts concerning rebuilding and the use of the draft in New York. Layden repeated it after the Ewing trade who was brought in because of his keen eye on drafting and his management of the Jazz's cap space. Isiah who was praised by Walsh for his wise draft and wise trades moves when the Knicks hired him and he proudly recommended him to Mills and Dolan. Indicated that it was necessary to rebuild the Knicks from the draft at his introduction press conference until he was corrected by Dolan at said press conference. Upon Walsh's arrival to the Knicks, he indicated that every draft is important for the lifeblood of the organization and you can't miss. Now we are here.

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3/29/2010  5:52 PM
Pharzeone - have you talked with yo boy Lazarro Borrell lately?

Glen Rice, Luc Longley, Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania and Vernon Maxwell.

Make no mistake, Walsh is directly accountable to NewsCorp for the bottom line business of the Dolan's. The fact that Donnie has been afforded the time to clear the deck in New York is fascinating.

The question remains, which free agent will make the first sincere move in the direction of Seventh Avenue?

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3/29/2010  6:21 PM
misterearl wrote:Pharzeone - have you talked with yo boy Lazarro Borrell lately?

Glen Rice, Luc Longley, Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania and Vernon Maxwell.

Make no mistake, Walsh is directly accountable to NewsCorp for the bottom line business of the Dolan's. The fact that Donnie has been afforded the time to clear the deck in New York is fascinating.

The question remains, which free agent will make the first sincere move in the direction of Seventh Avenue?

That Ewing deal still makes me nausea. I remember arguing with my manager and co-workers at the time about how f'ed up that trade is and how it kills us in the future. Meanwhile Vescey and the like were throwing roses at Layden's feet. Still makes me smh but hey had to get Camby more minutes. That direction lasted for awhile didn't it.

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3/29/2010  6:22 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
misterearl wrote:Pharzeone - have you talked with yo boy Lazarro Borrell lately?

Glen Rice, Luc Longley, Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania and Vernon Maxwell.

Make no mistake, Walsh is directly accountable to NewsCorp for the bottom line business of the Dolan's. The fact that Donnie has been afforded the time to clear the deck in New York is fascinating.

The question remains, which free agent will make the first sincere move in the direction of Seventh Avenue?

That Ewing deal still makes me nausea. I remember arguing with my manager and co-workers at the time about how f'ed up that trade is and how it kills us in the future. Meanwhile Vescey and the like were throwing roses at Layden's feet. Still makes me smh but hey had to get Camby more minutes. That direction lasted for awhile didn't it.

Yes, but luckily Isiah came along and "rescued" us.

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3/29/2010  6:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2010  6:29 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
misterearl wrote:Pharzeone - have you talked with yo boy Lazarro Borrell lately?

Glen Rice, Luc Longley, Travis Knight, Vladimir Stepania and Vernon Maxwell.

Make no mistake, Walsh is directly accountable to NewsCorp for the bottom line business of the Dolan's. The fact that Donnie has been afforded the time to clear the deck in New York is fascinating.

The question remains, which free agent will make the first sincere move in the direction of Seventh Avenue?

That Ewing deal still makes me nausea. I remember arguing with my manager and co-workers at the time about how f'ed up that trade is and how it kills us in the future. Meanwhile Vescey and the like were throwing roses at Layden's feet. Still makes me smh but hey had to get Camby more minutes. That direction lasted for awhile didn't it.

Yes, but luckily Isiah came along and "rescued" us.

And the beat goes on. Layden dreams of Yao Ming and Lebron. Isiah dreams of Kobe. Walsh dreams of Lebron but is willing to take anybody at this point because he got cap space. See ya in 2011.

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3/29/2010  6:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2010  6:45 PM
BasketballJones - count your blessings

Imagine a Knicks GM not named Isiah whiffing on both the 43 selection in the second round (Trevor Ariza), the 30th selection (David Lee) and the 23rd selection at with The Mayor. Zeke's risky selection of Nate Robinson has been leveraged into two intriguing first rounders in Giddens and Mister Bill Walker.

I miss Marcus Camby, Trevor Ariza, Matt Carroll, Matt Barnes and Ume Udoka. All have Isiah's fingerprints on them and are still making significant contributions.

Continuity is the Knicks fundamental front office issue

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3/29/2010  7:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2010  7:08 PM
TMS wrote:
"I don't want to take that long. And I don't know what the appetite in New York would be for something like that. You can do that in other cities. But when you really analyze it, probably the
best way and fastest way is free agency. I do think this is a good way for us."

wow, where have we heard this "you can't rebuild in New York" line before? i guess u really can't when a GM who was brought in to rebuild this franchise doesn't even believe u can do it.

we should rename our franchise to the New York Starphuchers at this point.

This was the same GM who just a week ago implying as if he was asking for 5yrs of patience. LOL Remember the former GM said the Bulls way of rebuilding was a joke and it took them 9-10yrs?


My My My our GM is sounding like a fool as the days go by


I wonder what Portland, Atlanta, OKC, Spurs who's major core of team was gathered through the draft.... think of what he's saying?

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3/29/2010  7:13 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/29/2010  7:18 PM
Juice wrote:This was the same GM who just a week ago implying as if he was asking for 5yrs of patience. LOL Remember the former GM said the Bulls way of rebuilding was a joke and it took them 9-10yrs?


My My My our GM is sounding like a fool as the days go by


I wonder what Portland, Atlanta, OKC, Spurs who's major core of team was gathered through the draft.... think of what he's saying?

As I said before Walsh should just quit while he is ahead and STFU.

He had a chance to get higher picks in 2008 and 2009 by tanking. Instead he wanted to remain competitive and secure us a mid range selection. A few picks higher this year could have been Rubio or Curry. Walsh has no one to blame for this current situation but himself. He shat himself now he can lay in it.

Dolan has been pulling the bait and switch for years trying to sell tickets. Now that MSG has spunoff the chance of rebuilding is ZERO. Keep fans interested by hyping Lebron in 2010 then stick us with Joe Johnson. Rinse and Repeat. *Waits for Durant to NYC in 2015* If Durant wants to be a global icon he will have to come to NYC.

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3/29/2010  7:20 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Juice wrote:This was the same GM who just a week ago implying as if he was asking for 5yrs of patience. LOL Remember the former GM said the Bulls way of rebuilding was a joke and it took them 9-10yrs?


My My My our GM is sounding like a fool as the days go by


I wonder what Portland, Atlanta, OKC, Spurs who's major core of team was gathered through the draft.... think of what he's saying?

As I said before Walsh should just quit while he is ahead and STFU.

He had a chance to get higher picks in 2008 and 2009 by tanking. Instead he wanted to remain competitive and secure us a mid range selection.

A few picks higher this year could have been Rubio or Curry. Walsh has no one to blame for this current situation but himself. He shat himself now he can lay in it.

He could have done so many things to help achieve the end means including hiring a more competent GM to allow to take naps whenever he wanted without losing ground on potential moves and hired a better fit coaching staff and scouting group.

I mean does he still feel Hill is BPA @ 8

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Juice wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
Juice wrote:This was the same GM who just a week ago implying as if he was asking for 5yrs of patience. LOL Remember the former GM said the Bulls way of rebuilding was a joke and it took them 9-10yrs?


My My My our GM is sounding like a fool as the days go by


I wonder what Portland, Atlanta, OKC, Spurs who's major core of team was gathered through the draft.... think of what he's saying?

As I said before Walsh should just quit while he is ahead and STFU.

He had a chance to get higher picks in 2008 and 2009 by tanking. Instead he wanted to remain competitive and secure us a mid range selection.

A few picks higher this year could have been Rubio or Curry. Walsh has no one to blame for this current situation but himself. He shat himself now he can lay in it.

He could have done so many things to help achieve the end means including hiring a more competent GM to allow to take naps whenever he wanted without losing ground on potential moves and hired a better fit coaching staff and scouting group.

I mean does he still feel Hill is BPA @ 8

What?

Walsh is a professional and paid millions of dollars to do his job and is a master negotiator with 25 yrs of experience. He knows more than some fools on the internet.

Do you see how he negotiated top 1 protection on that 2011 pick?

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3/29/2010  7:52 PM
He clealry said Hill was BPA @ 8 when he drafted him.

What a straight shooter.

Donnie in frank isola's article: Free Agency only way to build

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