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Ira
Posts: 24691 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/14/2001 Member: #91 |
3/28/2010 12:31 PM
I can't say much about him because I've never seen him play. However your write-up and the write-up in draftexpress make we'll be lucky to get him in the second round.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
3/28/2010 3:59 PM
Ira wrote:I can't say much about him because I've never seen him play. However your write-up and the write-up in draftexpress make we'll be lucky to get him in the second round. I think Landesberg may be a nice long term prospect but a guy who may need to strengthen his body and overall game in Europe before the NBA. He's got a very solid handle for a bigng player which is very attractive but seems to be a jack of all trades and master of none. He also has a hitch in his long range jumpshot. What position does he play in the NBA-- is he a 2 or a 3? He doesn't seem to have one stand out skill that would compensate for his lack of explosion and speed. He does have an innate feel but an underdeveloped body and game that right now looks more suited for Europe than the NBA. You start throwing in possible character issues and this guys screams of a 2nd round pick headed to Europe for maturity of mind body and game. But he could be a 2nd round steal in 2-3 years if he develops. I don't see him as a guy who is going to help an NBA team in the next 2 years. RIP Crushalot😞
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/28/2010 5:56 PM
i say we do what we have to to get the General to NY this summer... if that means parlaying both our 2nd round picks to move up or buying a late 1st round pick, that's what we should do.
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sidsanders
Posts: 22541 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/17/2009 Member: #2426 |
3/28/2010 6:04 PM
TMS wrote:i say we do what we have to to get the General to NY this summer... if that means parlaying both our 2nd round picks to move up or buying a late 1st round pick, that's what we should do. once more i admit my bias... YES!!! i knew you were a good dude!!! GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/28/2010 6:09 PM
bro, watching him has made me a believer... the guy is a leader & is money in big game situations... plays with that fire & desire that Knick fans love too... i think he'd be a fan favorite in NY & he's not a jackoff with a big head either, he just plays with a lot of emotion... would love to have a 6'6" guy running the point, or play in that Manu G type role & be a facilitator & scorer... him & TD would make a fantastic combo in our backcourt if we had Lebron playing on the wing.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
3/28/2010 6:16 PM
Here is a pretty reasonable write up of Landesberg and Fredette. Take a strong look at their individual physique's.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NCAA-Weekly-Performers-32510-3420/ RIP Crushalot😞
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/28/2010 6:25 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here is a pretty reasonable write up of Landesberg and Fredette. Take a strong look at their individual physique's.
i like Avery Bradley also, think he'd make a nice Leandro Barbosa substitute... i love his defense & he's quick & athletic as hell... struggled w/his shot in the tourney but that's the 1 aspect of every rookies' game that can always be improved on. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/28/2010 7:38 PM LAST EDITED: 3/28/2010 7:59 PM
TMS wrote:bro, watching him has made me a believer... the guy is a leader & is money in big game situations... plays with that fire & desire that Knick fans love too... i think he'd be a fan favorite in NY & he's not a jackoff with a big head either, he just plays with a lot of emotion... would love to have a 6'6" guy running the point, or play in that Manu G type role & be a facilitator & scorer... him & TD would make a fantastic combo in our backcourt if we had Lebron playing on the wing. Hey I agree. Greivis Vasquez is a very good player - I've been saying it for 2 years now. This year particularly, we all saw the improvement along with the passion & leadership.. My thing - why not target both? It'll wind up costing Dolan a little coin to make it happen (we'd probably have to trade for 2 lower 1st rounders to ensure we got both guys but I think it's 100% doable. I'm not into waiting around to see what may slip to me. Be proactive - trade up and go get them). Hey no excuses man, Jimmy Dolan just saved a small fortune when Cuttino Mobley retired -- he saved 60% of Mobley's $9.5 million dollar contract AND AN ADDITIONAL $9.5 million dollars in luxury tax. I demand that at least some of those funds be pumped back into the team. Donnie should be in his office right now convincing him that that's the way to go. Trade up to get both of these guys. 6'6" Greivis Vasquez at the point, 6"6" Sylven Landesberg at the 2. That's a tremendous future backcourt. I love both guys. Trade up and go get me shot-blocker Jarvis Varnado too while you're at it Donnie. - Trade $3 million & one of those 2nd rounders for the highest 1 you can get and guarantee it to Landesberg. If we got those 3 guys considering where we're drafting from and what we have to work with going in, it'd be an A+ draft. Even if we spent $9 million bucks on this draft, Dolan WOULD STILL have money left over from the Mobley savings...These are the top 3 guys I want this organization to draft in the lower 1st round by moving up, probably in that order...Make it happen. If nothing else, adding these 3 youngsters would improve the talent base significantly AND it would also show any potential free agent that's considering NY that by maximizing the draft, we meant business and were 100% committed to improving the team (any top free agent would love to play with all 3 of these guys, guaranteed). In addition, it would give us the flexibility to eventually move a Wilson Chandler in the near future provided we executed the rest of the plan and finished upgrading the team accordingly through free agency (Chandler, along with Gallo, would be our top 2 trade assets). |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/28/2010 7:45 PM
i'm thinking both Vazquez & Landesburg would be a little redundant... we also have Giddens, Walker & Wilson around next year also fighting for minutes... i think adding a guy like Greivis gives us nice size at the point & allows TD to play his more natural 2G position at times on offense when you have them both on the floor at the same time... i would start TD & Wilson & have Vazquez come off the bench to backup at the point with Giddens or Walker backing up the 2G spot.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/28/2010 8:02 PM LAST EDITED: 3/28/2010 8:12 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here is a pretty reasonable write up of Landesberg and Fredette. Take a strong look at their individual physique's. Sylven Landesberg will be the real deal in the NBA. And he's skilled enough to jump in and help a team right now. No question in my mind. His game and body will only continue to develop, evolve & improve. Physique? The kid's only 19 years old - he's a teenager. After what I've heard and read, I think it's safe to assume that he'll continue to put the work in to develop his body. 6'6" over 200 lbs. is a good base to start with btw. I'm not looking for body builders, I'm looking for basketball players. Skilled basketball players. Period. Since when did looking at some photo of a guy on the internet become a deciding factor on whether or not to draft someone?!?! Last I looked guys like Brandon Roy, David Lee and Danilo Gallinari weren't competing in any weight-lifting tournament, they were competing and excelling on the basketball floor. Plus this kid's best asset is his slashing ability -- you don't continually take the ball to the hole time after time if you're some weak piece of nothin' that's afraid of contact. I'm not worried at all about this kid physically, he'll be just fine... I'll go out on a limb right now -- Landesberg will be a better NBA 2 guard eventually than DeMar DeRozan. DeRozan's a good prospect that went 9th overall last year in the lottery. 6'7", 220+ and he can jump out of the gym. Everyone wanted him remember? I actually like him too. This kid will be better. |
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/28/2010 8:07 PM LAST EDITED: 3/28/2010 8:13 PM
TMS wrote:i'm thinking both Vazquez & Landesburg would be a little redundant... we also have Giddens, Walker & Wilson around next year also fighting for minutes... i think adding a guy like Greivis gives us nice size at the point & allows TD to play his more natural 2G position at times on offense when you have them both on the floor at the same time... i would start TD & Wilson & have Vazquez come off the bench to backup at the point with Giddens or Walker backing up the 2G spot. Not bad. Makes sense. I'd be willing to go balls deep and get Landesberg though. I saw him a good 10-12 times the past 2 years (games I wasn't around to catch live I taped and watched at my leisure)...I think he's gonna be a star eventually. Not some useful player off the bench, but a star. He's no point guard though, he's a shooting guard. Which is why I want both guys. They're different players but guys that would complement each other well, I think anyway.. |
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TMS
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3/28/2010 8:11 PM
if that's the case you'd have to figure out what to do with Giddens, Walker or Wilson... they obviously can't all get minutes in the same rotation... i got no idea on this kid's talent just going on your say, sounds good from what you're saying about him but with MDA's preference for an 8 man rotation it means we'd have to refuse the options on Walker & Giddens, both of whom i do like as role players on the cheap next season... but if this kid can be a star then u obviously take him over those guys.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/28/2010 8:28 PM LAST EDITED: 3/28/2010 8:43 PM
TMS wrote:if that's the case you'd have to figure out what to do with Giddens, Walker or Wilson... they obviously can't all get minutes in the same rotation... i got no idea on this kid's talent just going on your say, sounds good from what you're saying about him but with MDA's preference for an 8 man rotation it means we'd have to refuse the options on Walker & Giddens, both of whom i do like as role players on the cheap next season... but if this kid can be a star then u obviously take him over those guys. T, I could be wrong bro but I just got that feeling. For this kid, I'm willing to trade for a low 1 and find out. To me, based on what I've seen, it's a low risk gamble worth taking..Hopefully the bad buzz this kid's gotten (a lot of which is indeed his fault - he should've went to class, but what's done is done now I guess) works in our favor and he's within reach for us. If Landesberg ever came here and blew up right away (something I think he's actually capable of), I'd then have to sit back and think about what to do with these other wings. You're right, there would be a surplus. Nice problem to have though, no? I'm of the opinion that you can never have enough talent. Most likely though, Landesberg would sit initially and have to earn his time. As long as he wasn't totally ignored, as in Mike kinda ignoring and mishandling his rookies this year a little bit, I'd have no problem being patient...If SL showed his worth and we succeeded in getting the double package of Lebron & a Chris Bosh (or at least LeBron), Chandler might have to go, Gallo too maybe. Chandler's too good now to be someone's understudy. Or maybe he and Gallo would take reserve roles with the 2nd unit, who knows? I happen to think that if we can upgrade the 2 spot significantly, Chandler would become a very nice trade asset. I'd love for the Knicks to eventually be set up in a position where we'd finally be equipped to make trades from a position of surplus & strength. Maybe there's a Pau Gasol type move out there for us eventually where we can go out and get that final piece to the puzzle just like the Lakers did. Any package starting with Wilson Chandler or Chandler AND Gallo would be a nice start and should fetch us something really nice.. |
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TMS
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3/28/2010 8:43 PM
i think at this point unless MDA is absolutely crazy about a prospect like he was about Gallo (or Stephen Curry if we had gotten him this year), then he won't see much playing time as a rookie in his system... maybe he falls in love w/a kid like this or Vazquez, maybe not, but my instincts tell me a late 1st rounder or 2nd round pick will likely have to wait his turn in his rookie season just like TD ended up having to do... & next year will be a different situation as well being MDA will be on the hot seat to get this team back to contention, so he'll be under even more pressure to play the veterans who are more ready to play now.
would love to add at least 1 experienced vet who can play at a high level for the swing position & have young guys backing him up while they learn this system... if we can't get Lebron or Wade, my first choice is Manu G even at his age... would much rather have him at a reduced cost over an overpriced guy like Joe Johnson for more years & higher money... a kid like Vazquez or this Landesburg kid could probably learn an awful lot watching how guys like that go about their business & work on improving their games. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/28/2010 8:45 PM
TMS wrote:i think at this point unless MDA is absolutely crazy about a prospect like he was about Gallo (or Stephen Curry if we had gotten him this year), then he won't see much playing time as a rookie in his system... maybe he falls in love w/a kid like this or Vazquez, maybe not, but my instincts tell me a late 1st rounder or 2nd round pick will likely have to wait his turn in his rookie season just like TD ended up having to do... & next year will be a different situation as well being MDA will be on the hot seat to get this team back to contention, so he'll be under even more pressure to play the veterans who are more ready to play now. Good points. |
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BRIGGS
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3/28/2010 9:04 PM
TMS wrote:i think at this point unless MDA is absolutely crazy about a prospect like he was about Gallo (or Stephen Curry if we had gotten him this year), then he won't see much playing time as a rookie in his system... maybe he falls in love w/a kid like this or Vazquez, maybe not, but my instincts tell me a late 1st rounder or 2nd round pick will likely have to wait his turn in his rookie season just like TD ended up having to do... & next year will be a different situation as well being MDA will be on the hot seat to get this team back to contention, so he'll be under even more pressure to play the veterans who are more ready to play now.
#1 He can shoot the three way better than our current guards and has an Eddie House like quick release type shot. He needs to be guarded to 26 feet today--not in 3 years. #2 He is well put together physically and mentally strong with a very high IG and if you watched him all year he finds the open man with minimal mistakes. RIP Crushalot😞
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/28/2010 9:14 PM
we'll see what happens this summer with Fredette... my guess is he's gonna go in the 2nd round so we should have a shot at landing him with 1 of our picks... i'd still prefer a G w/more size & versatility that can defend on the perimeter tho... w/the other pick i really want to pick up a shotblocker like Varnado... so sick of the ridiculous lack of defensive intensity on this team.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
3/28/2010 9:45 PM
TMS wrote:we'll see what happens this summer with Fredette... my guess is he's gonna go in the 2nd round so we should have a shot at landing him with 1 of our picks... i'd still prefer a G w/more size & versatility that can defend on the perimeter tho... w/the other pick i really want to pick up a shotblocker like Varnado... so sick of the ridiculous lack of defensive intensity on this team. 6-2 200 for a PG is not small. RIP Crushalot😞
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
3/28/2010 10:56 PM
6'6" isn't small either.
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