Reason: Be able to sign two max contracts or on max and give that player some toys to play with.

Before the trade: We have room for one max deal and can't resign Dlee to play with.

After the trade. Room for Dlee and a MLE or a full max player like Bosh or Wade.

Before the trade. There is no guarantee of anyting.

After the trade. Still no guarantee, but more cap is more opportunities.

The point: in a way, to do this deal we had to trade JHill. Walsh don't want to do nor any fans. Im sure MDA would like to have him in a year or two. IN a year or two don't work.

It boils down to Jhill for (in concept) Dlee or Bosh to go along with Lebron. Lebron don't come unless we can fill the roster.

So Jhill, a nice player in the future had to go.

Nalod wrote:
Goal: Cap space

Reason: Be able to sign two max contracts or on max and give that player some toys to play with.

Before the trade: We have room for one max deal and can't resign Dlee to play with.

After the trade. Room for Dlee and a MLE or a full max player like Bosh or Wade.

Before the trade. There is no guarantee of anyting.

After the trade. Still no guarantee, but more cap is more opportunities.

The point: in a way, to do this deal we had to trade JHill. Walsh don't want to do nor any fans. Im sure MDA would like to have him in a year or two. IN a year or two don't work.

It boils down to Jhill for (in concept) Dlee or Bosh to go along with Lebron. Lebron don't come unless we can fill the roster.

So Jhill, a nice player in the future had to go.

Word. What's more, he hasn't shown anything yet so there's no reason to think he will blossom into a starting caliber player. I think he will, but let's not put the cart before he horse.

Take this Jordan Hill episode. The latest in the long line of sorry D'Antoni episodes. After calling him the next Amare. After benching him and giving him no real chance --- leading to us practically giving him away. When asked about Hill, your D'ivatoni couldnt help himself, taking a cheapshot at Hill, saying he doesnt play "bad rookies." Hill was like: "that's Dantoni"...SMH.

The only one who is looking bad right now is D'Antoni. I dont know what Hill's ceiling is, but its clear he deserved a consistent rotation spot. He's producing at a solid clip for a team that is outperforming us, currently. That line by D'Antoni was so unnecessary and completely classless.

Phil Jackson said it best:

TMS wrote:seriously wtf is up w/that cheap shot at Jordan Hill? condescending sarcastic digs like that to excuse his own inept management of our rookies' playing time this year doesn't disguise the fact he royally fugged up this year by not playing them earlier... the fact that MDA consistently has to address these questions on every single Mike D'Antoni show with Mike Breen to try & paint some form of logic behind his reasoning just tells u the extent this guy will go to try & BS his way out of every criticism thrown his way... i'm so done w/MDA & his shtick... he better damn well produce major results next season doing things his way, that's all i got to say.

I know we've disagreed about Hill's talent level, but I think one thing we can agree on is that Hill is a hard-working cat who seems to possess a great attitude and the right approach to the game. High character guy.

So all those excuses people would come up with around here --- you know marginalizing the character of guys like Nate, Darko, and Larry Hughes doesnt apply here.

So I ask to all, whats really good with D'Antoni's character and his approach to his handling of players?

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:the funny thing is jordan hill told the truth. He said Mike prefers to play the vets.. then mike takes a shot at Hill and basically co-signs what hill said by saying " well I am just not going to sit a vet to play a rookie, there is a pecking order involved".... LOL.. rofl!! well mike that is what Hill is saying.. Plus dantoni's pecking order consisted of the vets getting theirs first and rooks get scraps....plus his pecking order doesn't seem to be based on need or production either. Funny how the rockets have Hill ahead of jeffries in their "pecking order"..

MDA said u have to earn your minutes, u can't just give it to him, yet he has yet to explain his nonsensical immediate dolling out of regular playing time to Jonathan Bender his first game back from 4 years of inactivity while sitting out rookies & veterans who had been w/this team all summer long & in training camp, some all of last season, working their butts off trying to get some run in this system... what the hell kinda message does that send to these guys & how does that comply w/what MDA is trying to sell us on? he openly contradicts himself at every turn & does so with a contrived look of arrogance on his face as if he doesn't need to explain himself to anyone no matter how illogical his decisions have been this year.

The Bender situation was truly bizarre. How does a broken down cripple, by NBA standards, get playing time over your lottery pick?

Nor did larry.

Most Great winning coaches are seemingly arrogant and not universally liked.

Nalod wrote:Phil Jax does not play rooks until they earn their meddle and can be trusted.

Nor did larry.

Most Great winning coaches are seemingly arrogant and not universally liked.

Most great players are seemingly arrogant and not universally liked. Guys like Kobe, Jordan, Nate Robinson...LOL.

See how easy that was.

I'd love to hear how D'Antoni's resume backs up the claim that he is a great coach that should be put in the same zip code as first ballot hall of famers like Phil and Larry. He's just as arrogant as those guys, perhaps even more so --- I'll give you that.

TMS wrote:

sebstar wrote:

TMS wrote:seriously wtf is up w/that cheap shot at Jordan Hill? condescending sarcastic digs like that to excuse his own inept management of our rookies' playing time this year doesn't disguise the fact he royally fugged up this year by not playing them earlier... the fact that MDA consistently has to address these questions on every single Mike D'Antoni show with Mike Breen to try & paint some form of logic behind his reasoning just tells u the extent this guy will go to try & BS his way out of every criticism thrown his way... i'm so done w/MDA & his shtick... he better damn well produce major results next season doing things his way, that's all i got to say.

I know we've disagreed about Hill's talent level, but I think one thing we can agree on is that Hill is a hard-working cat who seems to possess a great attitude and the right approach to the game. High character guy.

So all those excuses people would come up with around here --- you know marginalizing the character of guys like Nate, Darko, and Larry Hughes doesnt apply here.

So I ask to all, whats really good with D'Antoni's character and his approach to his handling of players?

yeah i mean i'm cool with the fact u preferred Jennings or whoever else... we all have our preferences... i wanted Demar to be taken w/our #8 pick but it didn't happen... i saw enough of Jordan Hill play last year to be OK w/that pick... i thought he was a solid choice considering the unknown fate of D Lee & our sore need for some shotblocking in our frontcourt... i don't get some people who diss on Jordan Hill's work ethic just because they saw him playing with his hair or not paying attention during a timeout when he was getting zero burn off the bench tho... every report u read on him said he was a hard worker & the coaching staff had no problems w/his character... why MDA chose to go there w/that classless remark about only playing "good rookies" was mindboggling... Jordan Hill did everything that was asked of him in his time here & remained professional throughout... never made a single bad remark at MDA's decision not to play him... it's too bad our head coach can't be as mature & take the high road.

exactly.. I wanted Steph curry in this draft, but it didn't happen, and honestly I would have been happy with jennings as well because we needed a PG, but I didn't mind the Hill pick, because we were also thin when it came to a real big man, and this kid was tall, long, athletic and could block shots.. something we didn't have and needed... so Ok, I rode with that decision... Hill sat on the bench and never seemed to whine even when bender came in and got playing time over him. I know he saw other rooks in the league getting playing time.. Mike D has yet to give a good explination as to why that happened..

I totally think Walsh will bounce if the Knicks are unable to land a big fish this summer. I honestly think his only agenda coming here was clearing cap space he never cared about improving this team's record.

sebstar wrote:The Bender situation was truly bizarre. How does a broken down cripple, by NBA standards, get playing time over your lottery pick?

Let's take this at another angle. Let's say you are the coach. GM just signs a guy and tell you he thinks said player can help the team.

You have no practices left and didn't have a chance in training camp to see what he can bring. Dude was supposed to have a world of talent but hasn't played in 4 years.

As a coach, what do you do? Not play him? What's your plan of attach here? Also note that in his first 2 games back, he played pretty darn well for the minutes he got and considering all the other circumstances.

what's you next move?