Differential adding a premier 20-10 frontcourt addition to pair with Lee--can use Gallo to move to PF
A Morrow--best 3 point shooting G in the NBA consistent with good size and young
Fasenko-adding soem size we can use at times for cheap with upside
Fredette adding a back up PG for cheap who can play now with very nice upside
Walker and Giddens for 2nd team speed and athletic ability

Should always be able to keep 2 6-9 guys on the floor at all times add incredible shooters in Morrow and freddette as well as back up PG

this team would play much better defense by default regardless of the coaching or system because there are a good amount of defensive minded players & has plenty of scorers & shooters to run MDA's uptempo style... tons of depth with a good balance of youth & veterans.

BRIGGS wrote:

TMS wrote:C - Bosh
PF - Scola
SF - Gallo
SG - Wilson
PG - Douglas
G - Manu
C - Camby
F - Walker
G - Giddens
G - Grievis Vazquez
F - Jarvis Varnado
C - Curry

this team would play much better defense by default regardless of the coaching or system because there are a good amount of defensive minded players & has plenty of scorers & shooters to run MDA's uptempo style... tons of depth with a good balance of youth & veterans.

There is no way I would rebuild with 3 30+ year old players. Camby could be shot at anytime and he does not have more than 2 years left. Ginobli is walking injury. I like Scola but Lee os 3-4 year younger and can play point power F.

I added pieces that will fit now and for the next 5-7 years

Morrow 24 best 3 point shooting G in the NBA
Fasenko 24 7-1 300 pound cheap big man with updside
Lee 27
Bosh 26

And Fredette is better for this system that any PG not named John Wall in the draft. Vazquez has never shot above 43% in college and he has had better athletes and big men to play with. Fredette on a team with big men and space is a weapon. I think he has the ability to shoot 50% from 3 or close to it. Vazquez=Reece Gaines

not correct. dude had dave neal at like 6-6 as his starting c/pf. this year is the first time i would say he has a real big man, and he is a fr, jordan williams (who looks like he will be good). they have had some comedy of errors type big men recently...

im all for the general. biased and all... dude will not give up ever.

Toney D, "a yoot shall lead them"
The Mayor, finally healthy, continues his growth with a solid 17 and 7
Bosh, "positions? ...we don't need no steekin' positions!"
Gallo, reports to camp stronger and develops his mean streak closer to the rack
Lee, reprising the championship role of the versatile and relentless 6'9 Dave Cowens

Pine Brothers

McGrady, the natural... as sixth man
Walker, Spree reloaded
JR Giddens, makes excellent use of his summer, at 25 he needs to be smart about his future

Vernado, for rebounding and defense
Bender, the 6'11 insurance policy
Sergio as comic relief
and a center to be named later

SG/SF Tracy McGrady
SF/PF Al Harrington
PG/SG Toney Douglas
SG/SF Bill Walker
SG/SF JR Giddens
PG Greivis Vasquez
C Jerome Jordan

First thing I would do in the offseason would be to explore a Curry/Chandler for Okafor/Collison trade with New Orleans. I am relying on the fact that they will drop additional salary, though I've read that they may want to have another team absorb Peja's contract and will offer Collison for that purpose. If the Knicks offer two trades, Curry + $3M for Okafor and Chandler + $3M for Collison, I think it is a no-brainer for the cash starved Hornets. Unfortunately, I think acquiring Okafor makes Lee expendable (and shores up the Knicks internal defensive presence. Otherwise, discussions with NO might reveal that Chris Paul is available instead. Even if they don't trade Collison, I would do this trade to get OK4, he is probably the msot available defensive presence we will find. I don't like Tyson Chandler head or his turf toe, but I guess he has to be the backup choice.

I still think without Lebron, the JJ/Bosh combo is as good as we are going to get. I don't see Wade leaving Miami. Fortunately, I think both are well suited to playing coach D'antoni's offensive sets. I offer Bosh the max and JJ $14M.

I would try and sign both Harrington and McGrady to vet's minimum contracts with the express desire to retain their Bird Rights for 2011 when we will be capped out. With TD, Walker and Giddens filling out the bench, I think this team has some good depth and some hard nosed players.

Alright, I would give Briggs guy Jimmer Fredette a shot over Vasquez, but it doesn't sound like he is going to be available. I might take a flyer on Jerome Jordan. That kind of size is worth risking a 2nd rd pick on, even if he may never pan out.

It really doesn't have much in the way of centers. I would hope that we could pick up a good defensive center for the vet's minimum, but otherwise, Al will have to play there (and Coach D'antoni seems to like to switch off of picks every time anyway, so everybody ends up guarding the center).

Now, even if we don' get Collison, we can either start TD or this team can put out a big lineup of JJ 6'8/Tmac 6'8/Gallo 6'10/Bosh 6'10/OK4 6'10 which has a lot of length and tenacity. With Harrington 6'9 as 1st guy off the bench, I think this squad has championship potential.

BTW, loving Gallo's play lately, though I'd like to see him work on some lateral quickness in the offseason.

Season  Team  	G  	GS 	MPG  	FG%  	3p%  	FT%  	OFF  	DEF 	RPG  	APG  	SPG  	BPG  	TO  	PF 	PPG
09-10 	NOH 	71 	70 	29.5 	0.529 	0.000 	0.576 	3.1 	6.1 	9.3 	0.7 	0.7 	1.6 	1.3 	2.8 	10.7

EwingsGlass wrote:Emeka Okafor 11,540,375.00
Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00
Chris Bosh 16,050,000.00
Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00
Jerome Jordan 473,604.00
Greivis Vasquez 473,604.00
Bill Walker 854,389.00
JR Giddens 1,100,640.00
Darren Collison 1,361,040.00
Joe Johnson 14,000,000.00
Tracy McGrady 1,500,000.00
Al Harrington 1,500,000.00


Under Contract 53,229,212.00
Salary Cap 53,500,000.00
Cap Space 270,788.00


PG Darren Collison
SG Joe Johnson
SF Danilo Gallinari
PF Chris Bosh
C Emeka Okafor

SG/SF Tracy McGrady
SF/PF Al Harrington
PG/SG Toney Douglas
SG/SF Bill Walker
SG/SF JR Giddens
PG Greivis Vasquez
C Jerome Jordan

First thing I would do in the offseason would be to explore a Curry/Chandler for Okafor/Collison trade with New Orleans. I am relying on the fact that they will drop additional salary, though I've read that they may want to have another team absorb Peja's contract and will offer Collison for that purpose. If the Knicks offer two trades, Curry + $3M for Okafor and Chandler + $3M for Collison, I think it is a no-brainer for the cash starved Hornets. Unfortunately, I think acquiring Okafor makes Lee expendable (and shores up the Knicks internal defensive presence. Otherwise, discussions with NO might reveal that Chris Paul is available instead. Even if they don't trade Collison, I would do this trade to get OK4, he is probably the msot available defensive presence we will find. I don't like Tyson Chandler head or his turf toe, but I guess he has to be the backup choice.

I still think without Lebron, the JJ/Bosh combo is as good as we are going to get. I don't see Wade leaving Miami. Fortunately, I think both are well suited to playing coach D'antoni's offensive sets. I offer Bosh the max and JJ $14M.

I would try and sign both Harrington and McGrady to vet's minimum contracts with the express desire to retain their Bird Rights for 2011 when we will be capped out. With TD, Walker and Giddens filling out the bench, I think this team has some good depth and some hard nosed players.

Alright, I would give Briggs guy Jimmer Fredette a shot over Vasquez, but it doesn't sound like he is going to be available. I might take a flyer on Jerome Jordan. That kind of size is worth risking a 2nd rd pick on, even if he may never pan out.

It really doesn't have much in the way of centers. I would hope that we could pick up a good defensive center for the vet's minimum, but otherwise, Al will have to play there (and Coach D'antoni seems to like to switch off of picks every time anyway, so everybody ends up guarding the center).

Now, even if we don' get Collison, we can either start TD or this team can put out a big lineup of JJ 6'8/Tmac 6'8/Gallo 6'10/Bosh 6'10/OK4 6'10 which has a lot of length and tenacity. With Harrington 6'9 as 1st guy off the bench, I think this squad has championship potential.

BTW, loving Gallo's play lately, though I'd like to see him work on some lateral quickness in the offseason.

Your changing the whole team--I think just adding Chris Bosh alone and resigning David Lee with a few moves will make this team a contender. This is kind of like the same mentality of not giving Jordan Hill a chance. You are watching Toney Douglas right in front of you blowing up--yet you are quick to be looking for his substitute? I wouldnt touch Ok4 with a ten foot pole and he's my man.

I always like to look at differential--what do we have now--and how can I change the differential from negative to positive without a massive shake up and keeping costs inline.

and what we have and don't have

We need a second premium frontcourt player to compete in the NBA

check--Chris Bosh

We need stronger and more consistent outside shooting--especially off the benche 6th man and a back up PG

check 5 years 30mm to A Morrow who has lead the NBA from the 2G in 3 point shooting the last 2 years and shoots near 50% overall with good size. GS will not match with their payroll.

check--go into the draft and offer pick 35and 3mm to move up and take Jimmer--Jimmer on a team like this will be a weapon off the bench from day 1. On top of it hes from Glenn Falls and the they say the chicks dig him-

I need two 6-11+ back up guys but I am not spending a lot

Check

K Fasenko 7-1 300 24 years old

Pick 40

What have I addressed.

I have addressed the main problem the Knicks have--a secondary big who is also mobile and can play with Lee.

Additional consistent young outside shooting and a back up PG

Two big bangers for very low $$ with upside. MDA will not play a big guy big minutes and we dont need them too. But throwing a Fasenko out there for 12-14 minutes as we rotate Gallo Lee and Bosh will help wear down teams.

I will let Currys contract run dry unless a deal of the century is available--I will not spend just to spend and keep myself out of the 2011 FA market IF I even need it.

I dig this line up

C-Chris Bosh--
F David Lee--F Gallo
G Chandler
G Douglas
6th man Morrow
C Fasenko
F Giddens
F Walker
PG Fredette

I am looking for 50+ wins and a nice run into the playoffs. In the 2011 season--I will reevalute the team and have the space in FA again with a pick. I dont want FA taken away from me because of OK4 or overpaying JJ.

IF T mac will take a bench role and accept 1.5mm--he can be in the back 9 and will let the other guys fight it out. I like a young hungry bench that will bring energy. The starting unit gets most of the burn no matter what.

Also, I don't need to predict who might become a talent from other teams, I am alright with picking up proven quantities, even if it means paying a premium for the top 2 or 3 players.

I don't believe moving DLee to the PF position is going to make him any more effective, nor will it cause him to play defense. I don't have anything against Douglas, but on the other hand, I would let him earn his starting spot in summer camp against the best talent I can bring in.

Last, I think your desire to participate in the 2011 free agent offseason limits NY's ability to use the MLE and LLE (roughly $8M in cap space), where the cap space attributable to Curry's expiring and Chandler's (RFA) expiring, roughly $13M in expirings will be partly used by salary increases in our existing contracts. I'd rather make use of the expiring contracts in the 2010 offseason to create the best possible team now.

So, I am all in in 2010.

EwingsGlass wrote:I think I just disagree with you about the offseason strategy. I don't have any qualms about torching the existing roster and doing a complete rebuild. It is clear to me that guys like Walker and Giddens that come to NY from Boston have a different attitude than our loveable losers. I'm not saying our players are tainted with a losing attitude, but I just don't have any specific loyalty to the existing squad. Everybody needs to earn the right to be in NY.

Also, I don't need to predict who might become a talent from other teams, I am alright with picking up proven quantities, even if it means paying a premium for the top 2 or 3 players.

I don't believe moving DLee to the PF position is going to make him any more effective, nor will it cause him to play defense. I don't have anything against Douglas, but on the other hand, I would let him earn his starting spot in summer camp against the best talent I can bring in.

Last, I think your desire to participate in the 2011 free agent offseason limits NY's ability to use the MLE and LLE (roughly $8M in cap space), where the cap space attributable to Curry's expiring and Chandler's (RFA) expiring, roughly $13M in expirings will be partly used by salary increases in our existing contracts. I'd rather make use of the expiring contracts in the 2010 offseason to create the best possible team now.

So, I am all in in 2010.

Forgive but how is Giddens giving NY a different attitude? How many points did he or for that matter Walker average in Boston? Were they keys are even part of their championship run? Did they help them out in last year's playoffs or during the season? That's like saying Buechler could have help the Bucks in the 90s with his championship experience.

Giddens and Walker are healthy now and the Knicks are far out of the playoff race. I give their run the same token I give Collins run in the spring of 07. When he was averaging 15 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds in the final month of the season. I got to see all season and in games where there could be something on the line before I can write them down as key players period.

On the same reference you put in Okafor who has only known losing in this league himself. He goes from a losing team that is now playoff bound to a playoff team that is now lottery bound. The Magic have to be thanking their stars for that call.

No thanks at all to that roster. If you don't get James then you look towards 2011 but I wouldn't let Donnie make that call if he fails in 2010.

BRIGGS wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I think I just disagree with you about the offseason strategy. I don't have any qualms about torching the existing roster and doing a complete rebuild. It is clear to me that guys like Walker and Giddens that come to NY from Boston have a different attitude than our loveable losers. I'm not saying our players are tainted with a losing attitude, but I just don't have any specific loyalty to the existing squad. Everybody needs to earn the right to be in NY.

Also, I don't need to predict who might become a talent from other teams, I am alright with picking up proven quantities, even if it means paying a premium for the top 2 or 3 players.

I don't believe moving DLee to the PF position is going to make him any more effective, nor will it cause him to play defense. I don't have anything against Douglas, but on the other hand, I would let him earn his starting spot in summer camp against the best talent I can bring in.

Last, I think your desire to participate in the 2011 free agent offseason limits NY's ability to use the MLE and LLE (roughly $8M in cap space), where the cap space attributable to Curry's expiring and Chandler's (RFA) expiring, roughly $13M in expirings will be partly used by salary increases in our existing contracts. I'd rather make use of the expiring contracts in the 2010 offseason to create the best possible team now.

So, I am all in in 2010.

Forgive but how is Giddens giving NY a different attitude? How many points did he or for that matter Walker average in Boston? Were they keys are even part of their championship run? Did they help them out in last year's playoffs or during the season? That's like saying Buechler could have help the Bucks in the 90s with his championship experience.

Giddens and Walker are healthy now and the Knicks are far out of the playoff race. I give their run the same token I give Collins run in the spring of 07. When he was averaging 15 points, 6 assists and 7 rebounds in the final month of the season. I got to see all season and in games where there could be something on the line before I can write them down as key players period.

On the same reference you put in Okafor who has only known losing in this league himself. He goes from a losing team that is now playoff bound to a playoff team that is now lottery bound. The Magic have to be thanking their stars for that call.

No thanks at all to that roster. If you don't get James then you look towards 2011 but I wouldn't let Donnie make that call if he fails in 2010.

I agree with you---I don't think Walker or Giddens have a better attitude than Lee Chandler Gallo etc.. Our problem were the vets like Hughes Nate et al but we set that situation up.

His comment about paying for two premium guys--well didnt we get rid of two premium guys in Randolph and Crawford to make a better team two years ago? If the plan was to get rid of Randolph to get Ok4 ouch. Randolph is vastly superior player to ok4.

The reality--conventional rebuilding was going to work and we still have most of it left.

He has one thing right--we need to play 2 big guys upfront. But David Lee is so much better than Ok4--why would you want Ok4 over Lee?

If the Knicks can't get Lebron or Bosh this off-season, they need to see just how available Paul is in NO and wait on the next off season to see what Howard and Carmelo are doing. I wouldn't use Curry's expiring just for the sake of using it. I don't believe Donnie has the luxury to wait though. So he will be itchy to make moves this off-season because he painted himself in a corner with the Houston trade. That's why that trade made it a Lebron or bust for him.