umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:look on the bright side, at least we got Steve Nash Lite out of the deal.

TMS you truly are devoted to the fact that we over paid to get rid of Fishlips......

I still think it remains to be seen how bad the deal is

i'm definitely not alone on this... a lot of people think we overpaid to get rid of Fishlips, including plenty of Knick fans, sports news media commentators & Houston Rocket fans... the people who think we got good value in this deal seem to be in the distinct minority if u ask me.

of course if we sign Lebron & Bosh this summer, that will all change & i will be fine w/the price we had to pay, but it's a huge risk nonetheless & a ton of assets we gave up to do it... people who dismissed Jordan Hill as a bust before he ever got a chance to play should reassess their opinions about this kid.

Still its not like Shaq or Howard skill

Middle of the pack skills...... Like Frye or Ariza

If we get Bron and anything its worth it

Pharzeone wrote:

TMS wrote:shotblocking is overrated, didn't u get the memo?

11 points, 7 rebounds and 5 blocks in 26 minutes against a team that made Knicks look very small and soft a few days ago. Muthabuckers, we better get Lebron and Bosh. I mean what the hell does D'Antoni do in practice?

umynot wrote:I agree that Hill had and has skills ......

Still its not like Shaq or Howard skill

Middle of the pack skills...... Like Frye or Ariza

If we get Bron and anything its worth it

i agree IF we get Bron & anything it's worth it... that's a huge IF tho dude... we'll see how it goes, but i have my doubts that CLE will let Lebron get away w/o working out some kind of S&T deal, & we have very limited assets to offer at this point to get anything done.

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:look on the bright side, at least we got Steve Nash Lite out of the deal.

TMS you truly are devoted to the fact that we over paid to get rid of Fishlips......

I still think it remains to be seen how bad the deal is

i'm definitely not alone on this... a lot of people think we overpaid to get rid of Fishlips, including plenty of Knick fans, sports news media commentators & Houston Rocket fans... the people who think we got good value in this deal seem to be in the distinct minority if u ask me.

of course if we sign Lebron & Bosh this summer, that will all change & i will be fine w/the price we had to pay, but it's a huge risk nonetheless & a ton of assets we gave up to do it... people who dismissed Jordan Hill as a bust before he ever got a chance to play should reassess their opinions about this kid.

The only way that deal was good is if we get Bosh and Lebron. Anything less, and Walsh should be fired IMO and MDA should follow. Those two have really mismanaged this team. Douglas sits half the season while we get 37 minutes of Duhon. Walsh passes on deals last year to trade Jeffries only to give up essentially 2.5 first round picks for the privilege of trading Jeffries. We fail to draft a point guard in the best point guard class of the last 5 years (even though I do like DOuglas but is he really a PG). MDA playing around with guys playing time like he is the second coming of Larry Brown. Giving away Randolph for essentially nothing. I mean Walsh has consistently overpaid or undervalued our assets in virtually every move he has made. And MDA's team still has not figured out how to play defense. Oh, and don't get me started on why Hill never got any consistent minutes when it was clear to everyone that this kid was the second best post-defender we had and Lee was geting killed every night. If we strike out in FA, I say we resign Lee for $10 mil, fire Walsh and MDA, and bring in some new people.

Cosmic wrote:

TMS wrote:

umynot wrote:

TMS wrote:look on the bright side, at least we got Steve Nash Lite out of the deal.

TMS you truly are devoted to the fact that we over paid to get rid of Fishlips......

I still think it remains to be seen how bad the deal is

i'm definitely not alone on this... a lot of people think we overpaid to get rid of Fishlips, including plenty of Knick fans, sports news media commentators & Houston Rocket fans... the people who think we got good value in this deal seem to be in the distinct minority if u ask me.

of course if we sign Lebron & Bosh this summer, that will all change & i will be fine w/the price we had to pay, but it's a huge risk nonetheless & a ton of assets we gave up to do it... people who dismissed Jordan Hill as a bust before he ever got a chance to play should reassess their opinions about this kid.

Even I think we overpaid to dump Jeffries.

Yet I'm not going to cry over Jordan Hill. We have Lee, Gallo, Chandler. Why we even drafted Hill is beyond logic but that is another topic altogether.

I also firmly understand the thinking behind the trade: We came so far and we HAD to dump Jeffries to go all the way. So we did what we had to do.

What happens with that cap space is an entirely separate situation. Even if we strike out this summer there is no hindsight here. We had to dump the salary to have a chance this summer.

Overpaid? Yes. Necessary? Yes.

overpaid relative to what though? Sure, the team overpaid relative historic prices. This, however, is the richest UFA class in NBA history. Furthermore, the NBA is hemorrhaging cash because of (1) the worst economic climate in a long time and (2) a broken CBA.

There was a larger than usual premium attached to that type of cap space this year. Alternatively, there is a higher than usual value on that type of cap space this year too.

Even if the Knicks sign absolutely no one in UFA, they will be in a position to acquire players like Micheal Redd plus picks, etc.

While the short term costs are higher than normal, I argue the longterm payoff will be greater than Jordan Hill regardless of what happens in UFA

Cosmic wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

overpaid relative to what though? Sure, the team overpaid relative historic prices. This, however, is the richest UFA class in NBA history. Furthermore, the NBA is hemorrhaging cash because of (1) the worst economic climate in a long time and (2) a broken CBA.

There was a larger than usual premium attached to that type of cap space this year. Alternatively, there is a higher than usual value on that type of cap space this year too.

Even if the Knicks sign absolutely no one in UFA, they will be in a position to acquire players like Micheal Redd plus picks, etc.

While the short term costs are higher than normal, I argue the longterm payoff will be greater than Jordan Hill regardless of what happens in UFA

If you single out the Jeffries trade it was an over-pay. But if you look at the entire 2 year body of work? Look at what we did and what it cost to get it all done? We did very good.

I agree with you on everything you said.

But just to be objective....the Jeffries trade was a high price. But I think we had to do it.

When you see things like the following you KNOW why we did it.

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Source: LeBron Interested In Playing With Johnson

Mar 19, 2010 10:02 AM EST

Ric Bucher of ESPN quoted a league source on Thursday when he said that LeBron James might be more interested in coming to the Knicks if they have Hawks' shooting guard Joe Johnson.

"If it's LeBron James they want," Bucher said, "a league source says the Hawks' shooting guard is a very good place to start."

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Fair play.

Not to mention, let's say the Knicks do sign LBJ and JJ.

That probably makes those two plus Gallo/Chandler/Douglas/Walker/Giddens plus two semi-high second rounders + whoever the Knicks can get for Curry at next deadline.

While I would have preferred to keep Jordan Hill, I'd much rather have a *chance* to field a team like that next season.

The grass is always greener on the other side, especially when you're a Knick fan.