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3/18/2010  10:13 PM
All-Star Lee too much for New York

Here's something you rarely hear about someone: David Lee has priced himself out of New York.

Here is one of the league's success stories, an undersized 6-foot-9 center who was the last player chosen in the first round of the 2005 draft because he couldn't make -- and dared not take -- a jump shot. Within five years, Lee has transformed himself into an All-Star, averaging 20.1 points, 11.7 rebounds and 3.6 assists as the fulcrum of the Knicks.

Lee is so good that the Knicks no longer can afford to re-sign him. Over the past two years, team president Donnie Walsh has unloaded most of Lee's teammates and all of the Knicks' available first-round picks to dig out from more than $30 million in cap space this summer. To fulfill the ultimate plan of recruiting an elite pair of free agents, however, New York will first have to renounce the rights to its best player this summer: David Lee.

Of course, they could re-sign Lee in addition to a second star, but what would be the point of that? They didn't submit to so much pain in order to retain the status quo. So it's understood that Lee probably is auditioning himself for rival employers. "There's a lot of money out there this summer and LeBron [James] can't take it all," said Celtics coach Doc Rivers after watching Lee produce 29 points, nine rebounds and seven assists in a 109-97 Knicks loss Wednesday at Boston. "Somebody has got to take it."

Said Lee: "It definitely would be different [playing in a smaller market]. There are positives and negatives to both. New York, we all know, is the greatest place to be when you're winning and the toughest place to be, media-wise and fans-wise, when you're losing."

Who would have guessed that Lee would be the face of the Knicks as they approach the final days of this dissipated era? "Eddy Curry and I are the only ones still here from my rookie year," Lee said.

In spite of his improvement, Lee has been unable to command a long-term offer as a restricted free agent each of the past two summers.

"I think David has handled the last two years very well," said Walsh. "Last [summer] was very difficult because the market values went down. I think in the long run he accepted what happened, that he couldn't get the money he wanted."

More important than the outcomes of those failed negotiations has been Lee's professional response. "He's a smart guy, said Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni. "He understands it only benefits him to play well, and why wouldn't he? It doesn't make any sense for anybody to not play well and not focus. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a better motivation [than to play for a new contract]. He understood exactly what he had to do two years in a row, which is great."

Yet many players don't react so well after negotiations go dry.

"That's because a lot of them play the victim," said D'Antoni. "He didn't. But that's the reality: It's a business and he didn't let it bother him. Once the season started, he honed in on having the best season he could have."

It says much about Lee that the ugliness of recent Knicks seasons has not tainted him. Against the backdrop of this franchise, he has stood out as if he were an honest and competent politician on Capitol Hill. That he did not succumb as a young player to cynicism and selfishness is all the more reason to believe that he'll eventually contribute to a winning program.

"I remember getting drafted 30th and walking into [coach] Larry Brown's office and looking up on that depth chart and seeing my name about fifth at my position," said Lee. "I've always been a guy that can play hard and compete. You see everybody in college do that, but in the NBA if you can play hard night in and night out for 82 games, that's a skill in itself."

Lee admits he was afraid to shoot during his four years at Florida. "My weakness was 100 percent my jump shot," he said. "In college, if I caught the ball at the free-throw line and you were guarding me and you were standing under the basket, I would pass. There was no way. I never shot jump shots no matter how wide open I was."

Over the years he simplified his left-handed stroke, but more than anything he forced himself to believe as D'Antoni and his assistants -- Dan D'Antoni in particular -- urged him to keep shooting. "It turned around about a month into the season, and then he just started knocking it down and getting more confident," said Mike D'Antoni. "It's deadly now from 15 feet and in, and that's opened up his whole game."

Now that he views his mid-range jumper as a strength, Lee promises to focus next on the three-point line. "In practice or summer time he shoots [the three] really well," said D'Antoni. "It's a different mindset. I wouldn't doubt him, and that would be great if he could make a high percentage. But if he doesn't, his offensive game is good enough where I don't think [making threes] is a necessary part."

While Lee has trouble defending the bigger centers and power forwards, he routinely punishes them at the other end with his scoring and playmaking. "He's really their point guard," said Rivers. "They run everything through David Lee, they give him the ball and they run their offense through him. It's pretty amazing."

Rivers was a fan of Lee's and begged the Celtics to acquire him in the 2005 draft. "It's the one I stuck my chest out about because I was in the minority in the draft room that night," said Rivers. "But I had the advantage of being in Florida and I'd seen him, and my oldest son had played in a ton of pickup games with him and he said, 'All I know about David Lee is every time I play a pickup game, his team wins.'

"But he's even better than I thought he could be because he has a high basketball IQ, and his quickness is so much better than you thought it could be."

Teams have been wary of making a big offer to Lee in fear that his numbers will dwindle once he stops playing for D'Antoni, even though the Knicks have slowed their offense and reduced his scoring opportunities this season. But some team -- likely one that can pair him alongside a longer shot-blocker -- will target Lee as a versatile big man who can pass and move without the ball. "I'm happy with what I've accomplished, and there's still a lot more [improvement] to be done," said Lee, who anticipates a change of position next season. "I think I'm more of a '4' than a '5.' On a championship-level team I'd be a '4' probably."

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3/18/2010  10:31 PM
Now that he views his mid-range jumper as a strength, Lee promises to focus next on the three-point line. "In practice or summer time he shoots [the three] really well," said D'Antoni.

watching him from earlier in the season i had a feeling it would just be a matter of time until he started knocking down 3's in real game action.

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3/18/2010  10:34 PM
It might just be a matter of the coach not letting him. I personally would rather not see him stepping so far out. 15 feet is perfect though.
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3/18/2010  10:35 PM
TMS wrote:
Now that he views his mid-range jumper as a strength, Lee promises to focus next on the three-point line. "In practice or summer time he shoots [the three] really well," said D'Antoni.

watching him from earlier in the season i had a feeling it would just be a matter of time until he started knocking down 3's in real game action.

thats going to be his undoing. Well, the way he probably figures, he's going to get his contract this offseason so after that he can do whatever the hell he wants. He needs to focus on staying in front of his man. Work on that.

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3/18/2010  10:54 PM
sebstar wrote:
TMS wrote:
Now that he views his mid-range jumper as a strength, Lee promises to focus next on the three-point line. "In practice or summer time he shoots [the three] really well," said D'Antoni.

watching him from earlier in the season i had a feeling it would just be a matter of time until he started knocking down 3's in real game action.

thats going to be his undoing. Well, the way he probably figures, he's going to get his contract this offseason so after that he can do whatever the hell he wants. He needs to focus on staying in front of his man. Work on that.

i think it might reduce the amount of his rebounds, but when he finally switches back to playing the 4 spot, he's going to have a problem getting as many wide open looks from midrange like he's been getting all year playing the C position cuz guys will be up on him on D... so eventually it will probably be a good thing for Lee to extend his range to beyond the arc... at least if he is a threat to shoot the ball from that range, it can open things up in the paint for other guys to penetrate down low & he will have some open shooting opportunities against more athletic 4's.

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3/18/2010  11:36 PM
LOL @ Lee putting himself on a Championship level after averaging .. what 28 wins per season?
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3/18/2010  11:37 PM
Moving further away from the basket. Great..................
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3/18/2010  11:40 PM
basically he's going to become Troy Murphy with better passing ability, but let's face it he was never destined to be a banger down low like Zach Randolph & MDA doesn't play that style of game anyway... a PF that can knock down the 3 is probably the better fit into what MDA's trying to do here... that's why i think Gallo will probably end up at that position next season.
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3/19/2010  12:42 AM
Is Lee or the coach talking about any defense here?
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3/19/2010  1:04 AM
Why the media insists that the plan in NY is to sign 2 Max FAs is puzzling.
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3/19/2010  1:46 AM
Andrew wrote:Why the media insists that the plan in NY is to sign 2 Max FAs is puzzling.

because that's what they feel will be necessary to land Lebron James.

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3/19/2010  2:36 AM
Of course, they could re-sign Lee in addition to a second star, but what would be the point of that? They didn't submit to so much pain in order to retain the status quo. So it's understood that Lee probably is auditioning himself for rival employers.

yep.

"He's a smart guy, said Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni. "He understands it only benefits him to play well, and why wouldn't he? It doesn't make any sense for anybody to not play well and not focus. As a matter of fact, I can't think of a better motivation [than to play for a new contract]. He understood exactly what he had to do two years in a row, which is great."

Great so now we know, MDA's goal this year was to make sure these guys get fat contracts.

"I remember getting drafted 30th and walking into [coach] Larry Brown's office and looking up on that depth chart and seeing my name about fifth at my position," said Lee.

LOL. I guess Larry penciled in Malik and Antonio to be his main guys. smh.

Rivers was a fan of Lee's and begged the Celtics to acquire him in the 2005 draft. "It's the one I stuck my chest out about because I was in the minority in the draft room that night," said Rivers. "But I had the advantage of being in Florida and I'd seen him, and my oldest son had played in a ton of pickup games with him and he said, 'All I know about David Lee is every time I play a pickup game, his team wins.'

Didn't Ainge always claim credit for wanting Lee. Now Doc says he was in the minority. I find draft rooms very interesting.

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3/19/2010  7:54 AM
TMS wrote:
Now that he views his mid-range jumper as a strength, Lee promises to focus next on the three-point line. "In practice or summer time he shoots [the three] really well," said D'Antoni.

watching him from earlier in the season i had a feeling it would just be a matter of time until he started knocking down 3's in real game action.

I'd rather defense....................

All LEE needs to do to be a near-max player is PLAY DEFENSE. Any ****ing defense. He doesn't. In fact it seems he purposely gets out of the way at times.

Dude's a 14M a year player on offense, maybe more. He's also a vet minimum player on defense, maybe less.

If we strike out in 2010 you can bet we will re-sign Lee and probably over-pay. Harrington too. You can just see it coming. We are in a Chicago Bulls place right now post-MJ. Tons of money, nobody takes it, so we sign a Jalen Rose to the max (Joe Johnson) and retain Lee and Harrington.

5 Years, 70M sounds about right to over-pay for Lee. Not for me, I don't want to pay him that, but he'll get it.

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3/19/2010  8:04 AM
Knicks should offer him 6 years and $70mm. That contract starts at $9.5mm next year. That would give the Knicks enough money to get a max guy and still have around $8-$9mm to give to another guy, presumably a younger guy they are ver high on. Maybe someone like Tyrus Thomas. Maybe you split it up for some veteran guys like Raja Bell and Camby. Who know, but it makes us better.
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3/19/2010  8:30 AM
I kinda hope we lose Lee and strike out completely in free agency- this team needs to hit rock bottom for Dolan to realize he has a problem.
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3/19/2010  8:38 AM
franco12 wrote:I kinda hope we lose Lee and strike out completely in free agency- this team needs to hit rock bottom for Dolan to realize he has a problem.

that won't happen... Dolan will make sure to buy whatever veteran talent he can this summer & if that fails he'll stay with the wash/rinse/repeat cycle until he is no longer the owner of this franchise.

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3/19/2010  8:43 AM
$70M wasted on David Lee? God forbid! I hope some dumb team like Jersey offers David Lee the MAX. I have zero interest in resigning this stat paddling, no defense softy. Getting All-Star stats on offense means nothing if you play zero defense as a frontcourt player. Lee can't even check Kendrick Perkins or Drew Gooden!
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3/19/2010  9:00 AM
iSergio wrote:$70M wasted on David Lee? God forbid! I hope some dumb team like Jersey offers David Lee the MAX. I have zero interest in resigning this stat paddling, no defense softy. Getting All-Star stats on offense means nothing if you play zero defense as a frontcourt player. Lee can't even check Kendrick Perkins or Drew Gooden!

to be fair, those guys can't check him either... but i agree w/u, $70M on D Lee is way too much... i'd go as high as 6 years for $60M... that should put his 1st year's payout at around $7-8M, which would leave us in good shape flexibility wise to sign other FA's w/the remaining cap space this summer... if he wants more, i say thanks for the years of professionalism & play & wish him well in his future endeavors & sign Luis Scola to a lesser deal... the franchise's future is not well served by paying out huge longterm contracts to players who only play on 1 side of the ball... of course, this is all assuming we miss out on the top tier FA's this summer to begin with.

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3/19/2010  9:09 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2010  9:23 AM
Love David Lee. Tell you what though, if he winds up asking for too much and we have to part ways, a guy I like that's similar is Rob Kurz who's playing well right now in the D-League. Kurz is going for something like 18 & 10 a night down there...TMS you mentioned Troy Murphy, that's the type of game this kid Kurz has more or less, only right-handed...More like Danilo Gallinari on offense - 6'9, 240 lb. forward has an awesome jumper with 3-pt range and he rebounds the ball...Perimeter scorer AND a double-digit rebounder in one package. Not saying he's as good as either guy but if we lost Lee to free agency and/or made a decision to trade Gallo for assets but still wanted to retain some of their skills, this is a guy who could be a nice replacement on the cheap...
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3/19/2010  9:19 AM
sounds like a guy we should be inviting to Summer Leagues... but knowing us we'll likely bring Anthony Roberson back for a 2nd audition & sign him to a 4 year guaranteed contract with a player option.
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all star lee too good for ny...

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