Childs2Dudley wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:don't let David Lee walk away. The two guys we let walk--you can say whatever you want about them--but Zach and JC were put in positions to be very good players and have been really key cogs on good teams. David Lee is a very good player. While we have promise--there is NO ONE on the roster who is so consistent like Lee. Does he have a few bad points---OK but just too good overall with too much consistency. To win consistently--you need consistent players. David Lee really is like a point PF. I wonder if how the way Amare Stoudemire is playing if hes not the best target after lebron? The guy is back to an unbelievable level and that gives you a frontline that you can really count on giving you close to 20-10 every night. even though MDA doesnt want to play 2 big men--I think Stoudemire and Lee are diversified enough to play well together. I am definitely leaning towards Stoudemire right now. I wonder if we could do a 4 year deal with a team option on the 5th--that would give us him from age 28 to 32. Having a Stoudemire and Lee will make it much easier and take a lot of pressure off of our young players.

Stoudemire is not a center and a front line of Amare/Lee would be just as bad on interior defense as a frontline of Lee/Chandler.

I'm sorry but if there is a way we can sign and trade Lee for Bosh then we do it. I am not resting my laurels and the future of this franchise on the shoulders of David Lee. There is just no way that happens.

If you give David Lee for Bosh--you dont change that much. Have you noticed how may points Toronto gives up? You need two bigs. We played good team D the other couple of games--it's a team effort to play good D--we're not going to have a shot blocking guy on the team---so get two guys who shoot 55%+--believe me that will change the differential quick.

BRIGGS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:don't let David Lee walk away. The two guys we let walk--you can say whatever you want about them--but Zach and JC were put in positions to be very good players and have been really key cogs on good teams. David Lee is a very good player. While we have promise--there is NO ONE on the roster who is so consistent like Lee. Does he have a few bad points---OK but just too good overall with too much consistency. To win consistently--you need consistent players. David Lee really is like a point PF. I wonder if how the way Amare Stoudemire is playing if hes not the best target after lebron? The guy is back to an unbelievable level and that gives you a frontline that you can really count on giving you close to 20-10 every night. even though MDA doesnt want to play 2 big men--I think Stoudemire and Lee are diversified enough to play well together. I am definitely leaning towards Stoudemire right now. I wonder if we could do a 4 year deal with a team option on the 5th--that would give us him from age 28 to 32. Having a Stoudemire and Lee will make it much easier and take a lot of pressure off of our young players.

Stoudemire is not a center and a front line of Amare/Lee would be just as bad on interior defense as a frontline of Lee/Chandler.

I'm sorry but if there is a way we can sign and trade Lee for Bosh then we do it. I am not resting my laurels and the future of this franchise on the shoulders of David Lee. There is just no way that happens.

If you give David Lee for Bosh--you dont change that much. Have you noticed how may points Toronto gives up? You need two bigs. We played good team D the other couple of games--it's a team effort to play good D--we're not going to have a shot blocking guy on the team---so get two guys who shoot 55%+--believe me that will change the differential quick.

Papabear Says
You may win a lot of games without a big man but without a shot blocker and strong defense you ain't never winning a championship. MDA other team was more about Nash. We don't have a Nash or a supporting cast. I think MDA's plan goes against everything the Knicks tridition of toughness and defense stands for. MDA is getting fired within a year. We need to fire him now and bring in Patrick Ewing now.

Yes to Amare. He's not a money guy though. He wants to be paid and should be paid but he's a basketball junkie. He def wouldnt comes for less than the max, because he will get a max offer from another team, certainly Chicago.

When you talk about building a team having two frontcourt guys that will give you 40 points, 20 boards and shoot over 50% every night your going to be in every game. Gallo takes his growth as a defensive player very seriously and you have Douglas, Walker, Gallo, Chandler and Giddens. 5 long athletic guys on the wings. There is some very good potential there w/ bringing Lee back

Nalod wrote:Tiago Splitter can now leave Euroball. San Antoino can only use their mid level (5mm). Im wondering if we can swing a trade for him. Is this the athletic big we need? Can we do him and Lee for the same Bosh money?

"Splitter" is such a cool name! Got that Euro-Cool thing MDA so desires.

Aaaah just what we need, another jump shooting big man

The Knicks, as presently constituted, have nobody on the team who can bang with the big boys down low, play "dirty" if need be, and block a shot now and then.

I don't think Amare is the answer defensively, so I'm not sure I would spend big $$ on him unless Lebron has signed on and demands that we get him.

Andrew wrote:

King1 wrote:Did Gallinari play the four last night? How many rebounds did he have?

What does play the 4 really mean? Does he guard the interior guys? Does his offensive game have him playing close to the basket most of the time? Does MDA tell him before the game that today he is the 4, so completely disregard his skill set and start doing something different?

Gallo is not a great rebounder, and not a great at going after the ball, but you can't look at the rebounding numbers and think you have the whole story.

I think what he means is there is not a guy that brings the physicality that D Lee brings--and most teams have two--we have one. Defense starts with guards and TD has done a better job than the previous guys--that why we were better on the D. If you have a guy like D lee giving you 20-10-4 55% and then add another guy who can give you 24/ 25-9 55%--you will get better as a team and you add the physical presence on the D--who is taking KG and perkins when we only haev 1 big?

1. offensive efficiency--MDA wants to win by differential--if you start bringing in guys who shoot +50% consistently you will start winning a lot of games. Right now other than Chandler and lee---too many inconsistent players.

2. Just the physicality of bringing in a second big will help the D. Its not Pau Gasol and Bynum but Lee and a Stoudemire together would be a VERY tough frontline to deal with. Thats 45 points @ 55% and 20 rebounds. And having the second big will help interior D.

nychamp wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:don't let David Lee walk away.

I couldn't disagree more. Last night's game in Boston was the quintessential Lee game: if you just looked at the box score you would think he had a great game. As if he gave his all but the team was overmatched.

In reality, if you watched the game, Lee was raped all night long by every Celtic who approached the basket with the ball, starting right on the first couple of plays. Often Lee just let it happen, not jumping, just sorta being roughly in position with his hands raised half-assedly. No body contact. No jumping to contest the shot. I mean, why bother right, it's not his fault he's playing out of position, right?????? Poor Dave, life is so unfair. When helping, he was his usual clueless and slow-reacting self. In the first quarter alone he allowed at least 5 or 6 red-carpet style baskets as whoever waltzed right by.

This is why Lee is all the more dangerous to our team, because he can deceive you into thinking he is a main guy with his box scores, when in reality he is a huge hole in the ship through which water is rushing in.

Sign and trade for Bosh would be a huge upgrade for us, and a great deal to make. If it can't happen, let Lee come back IF he fits in AFTER we lock up at least two other dudes. Honestly, I can't stand watching this guy play, he is just so ****ing negligent and aloof on D. Not just bad, offensively horrible. And sorry, that point can't be argued by reasonable people.

I think you meant "defensively horrible", which I completely agree with. However, if he played PF and we had a Camby at the 5, I could definitely see resigning him. His efficiency on offense is remarkable, his ambidexterity among the most polished I have ever seen, he gets a lot of assists, he fights for boards, he hustles off the ball (except on D). If he had some help down low I could see him bringing his defensive game up a notch or two. Right now, he lacks the motivation to do it because the team is in flux. I would like to bring him back and watch him develop further.

Nalod wrote:Tiago Splitter can now leave Euroball. San Antoino can only use their mid level (5mm). Im wondering if we can swing a trade for him. Is this the athletic big we need? Can we do him and Lee for the same Bosh money?

"Splitter" is such a cool name! Got that Euro-Cool thing MDA so desires.