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BRIGGS
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3/16/2010  1:29 PM
Lets look at what is right now

F-Lee
F Gallinari
G Chandler
G T Douglas
6 Bill Walker

Im going to leave out Harrington because I do not think he will be back. If we can just add Bosh or Amare Stoudemire --that might make the most sense after all

F Bosh
F Lee
F Gallinari
G Chandler
G Douglas
Walker in the top 9

Need 3 position players for the bench a Big a wing and a guard and one has to be good enough to be a 6th man.

and then the last 4 min players 1 more big--a true 7 footer 1PF 1 SG 3rd PG

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3/16/2010  1:31 PM
hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?
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BRIGGS
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3/16/2010  1:37 PM
nyk4ever wrote:hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?

I think that all of our young guys should be untouchable.

RIP Crushalot😞
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3/16/2010  1:39 PM
nyk4ever wrote:hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?

You should post his game logs for him to judge better. Sometimes it is hard to recall games after watching so many.

Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Regular
Mar 15 @ PHI W 94 - 84 41 8 - 15 3 - 6 2 - 3 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 3 21
Mar 13 @ DAL W 128 - 94 26 2 - 4 1 - 1 1 - 1 1 6 7 1 1 0 1 3 6
Mar 12 @ MEM L 112 - 119 34 3 - 12 1 - 8 2 - 3 0 4 4 1 0 1 2 1 9
Mar 10 @ SAS L 87 - 97 40 5 - 13 0 - 4 4 - 6 1 4 5 0 1 1 1 3 14
Mar 08 vs. ATL W 99 - 98 43 9 - 14 4 - 5 5 - 6 0 5 5 2 0 0 2 3 27
Mar 06 vs. NJN L 93 - 113 27 6 - 8 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 3 4 0 1 1 3 4 15
Mar 05 @ TOR L 96 - 102 38 5 - 12 1 - 3 2 - 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 2 13
Mar 03 vs. DET W 128 - 104 37 6 - 12 2 - 4 1 - 1 2 2 4 4 1 0 0 1 15
Mar 01 @ CLE L 93 - 124 36 5 - 13 2 - 5 5 - 5 1 3 4 1 2 0 2 2 17

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3/16/2010  1:40 PM
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3/16/2010  1:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2010  1:45 PM
Pharzeone wrote:

Date Opp. Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Regular
Mar 15 @ PHI W 94 - 84 41 8 - 15 3 - 6 2 - 3 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 3 21
Mar 13 @ DAL W 128 - 94 26 2 - 4 1 - 1 1 - 1 1 6 7 1 1 0 1 3 6
Mar 12 @ MEM L 112 - 119 34 3 - 12 1 - 8 2 - 3 0 4 4 1 0 1 2 1 9
Mar 10 @ SAS L 87 - 97 40 5 - 13 0 - 4 4 - 6 1 4 5 0 1 1 1 3 14
Mar 08 ATL W 99 - 98 43 9 - 14 4 - 5 5 - 6 0 5 5 2 0 0 2 3 27
Mar 06 NJN L 93 - 113 27 6 - 8 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 3 4 0 1 1 3 4 15
Mar 05 @ TOR L 96 - 102 38 5 - 12 1 - 3 2 - 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 2 13
Mar 03 DET W 128 - 104 37 6 - 12 2 - 4 1 - 1 2 2 4 4 1 0 0 1 15
Mar 01 @ CLE L 93 - 124 36 5 - 13 2 - 5 5 - 5 1 3 4 1 2 0 2 2 17

This should help.

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3/16/2010  1:53 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?

You should post his game logs for him to judge better. Sometimes it is hard to recall games after watching so many.

Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Regular
Mar 15 @ PHI W 94 - 84 41 8 - 15 3 - 6 2 - 3 0 2 2 1 1 0 1 3 21
Mar 13 @ DAL W 128 - 94 26 2 - 4 1 - 1 1 - 1 1 6 7 1 1 0 1 3 6
Mar 12 @ MEM L 112 - 119 34 3 - 12 1 - 8 2 - 3 0 4 4 1 0 1 2 1 9
Mar 10 @ SAS L 87 - 97 40 5 - 13 0 - 4 4 - 6 1 4 5 0 1 1 1 3 14
Mar 08 vs. ATL W 99 - 98 43 9 - 14 4 - 5 5 - 6 0 5 5 2 0 0 2 3 27
Mar 06 vs. NJN L 93 - 113 27 6 - 8 0 - 1 3 - 4 1 3 4 0 1 1 3 4 15
Mar 05 @ TOR L 96 - 102 38 5 - 12 1 - 3 2 - 2 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 2 13
Mar 03 vs. DET W 128 - 104 37 6 - 12 2 - 4 1 - 1 2 2 4 4 1 0 0 1 15
Mar 01 @ CLE L 93 - 124 36 5 - 13 2 - 5 5 - 5 1 3 4 1 2 0 2 2 17

thanks pharz.. at work and busy as hell

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3/16/2010  1:53 PM
^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.
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3/16/2010  1:59 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?

I think that all of our young guys should be untouchable.

i would agree briggs.. i've liked gallo all year long, but i really do like the way he's played recently. he's putting the ball on the floor and looking to create instead of just hoisting up 3's. i'm looking very forward to watching him develop over the last 20 games because he's developing right before our eyes.

the same can be said for tony douglas. douglas has totally transformed the way he plays over the last 5 games. he's taking the onus on himself to create the offense and push the ball and he's doing a magnificent job of it. his shooting is improving and his defense is already very solid. he's playing great.

is douglass playing well enough where we don't need to get a PG in the offseason? that's a very good question. i think if we came away with rudy gay and chris bosh this offseason (obviously I'd rather lebron above all) i'd be ok with that. theres a small possibility that we could even keep lee in that scenario.

douglass
gay
gallo
bosh
lee

bench: chandler, sergio, walker

that's a damn good VERY young team with alot of room to grow, plus you could play very uptempo with that team and would be a glove for d'antoni's type.

just my opinion though.

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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3/16/2010  2:00 PM
jimimou wrote:^^^how'd you get that to format like that? whenever i try to post stats, they get messed-up.

same here..

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Pharzeone
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3/16/2010  2:16 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?

I think that all of our young guys should be untouchable.

i would agree briggs.. i've liked gallo all year long, but i really do like the way he's played recently. he's putting the ball on the floor and looking to create instead of just hoisting up 3's. i'm looking very forward to watching him develop over the last 20 games because he's developing right before our eyes.

the same can be said for tony douglas. douglas has totally transformed the way he plays over the last 5 games. he's taking the onus on himself to create the offense and push the ball and he's doing a magnificent job of it. his shooting is improving and his defense is already very solid. he's playing great.

is douglass playing well enough where we don't need to get a PG in the offseason? that's a very good question. i think if we came away with rudy gay and chris bosh this offseason (obviously I'd rather lebron above all) i'd be ok with that. theres a small possibility that we could even keep lee in that scenario.

douglass
gay
gallo
bosh
lee

bench: chandler, sergio, walker

that's a damn good VERY young team with alot of room to grow, plus you could play very uptempo with that team and would be a glove for d'antoni's type.

just my opinion though.

I can't demote Chandler for Gallo. I would play Gay and Chandler together. I'm sorry but this may go against the grain of people's thoughts but Gallo had a disappointing season for me. It started off well but went through too long of bad patch for me. Right now Lee and Chandler have been the most consistent and efficient players this season. And both players seem to adjust their game to match their teammates unlike Gallo. I'm still amaze that he hasn't been thrust into the PF spot at all. Chandler has played 3 positions and found a way to be effective while Gallo seems stuck on the perimeter game. He is not effective in the post against players his size or near it. His passing still doesn't translate to assists as one would expect. His rebounding is only average for playing at the 3. While I noted that Chandler while playing the majority of his time at the 2 was atop the leader's board. His move to PF spot has translated to more boards with McGrady and point guard in the lineup.

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3/16/2010  2:18 PM
He's also had to many air balls and terrible shot selections. sometimes he gets out of his relm and thinks he can shoot off the dribble, which is is awful at. But i like his potential, I will blame the back issue's and his recovering summer of 09 in why he didn't improve one aspect of his game.

Im thinking that part of the reason for some of his poor shot selection is a reflection of Al, Nate, and the free flowing system he plays in

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3/16/2010  2:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2010  2:25 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:hey briggs.. i'm just curious. what have you thought about gallo's last 10 games or so? are you anymore or less intrigued by his potential?

I think that all of our young guys should be untouchable.

i would agree briggs.. i've liked gallo all year long, but i really do like the way he's played recently. he's putting the ball on the floor and looking to create instead of just hoisting up 3's. i'm looking very forward to watching him develop over the last 20 games because he's developing right before our eyes.

the same can be said for tony douglas. douglas has totally transformed the way he plays over the last 5 games. he's taking the onus on himself to create the offense and push the ball and he's doing a magnificent job of it. his shooting is improving and his defense is already very solid. he's playing great.

is douglass playing well enough where we don't need to get a PG in the offseason? that's a very good question. i think if we came away with rudy gay and chris bosh this offseason (obviously I'd rather lebron above all) i'd be ok with that. theres a small possibility that we could even keep lee in that scenario.

douglass
gay
gallo
bosh
lee

bench: chandler, sergio, walker

that's a damn good VERY young team with alot of room to grow, plus you could play very uptempo with that team and would be a glove for d'antoni's type.

just my opinion though.

I can't demote Chandler for Gallo. I would play Gay and Chandler together. I'm sorry but this may go against the grain of people's thoughts but Gallo had a disappointing season for me. It started off well but went through too long of bad patch for me. Right now Lee and Chandler have been the most consistent and efficient players this season. And both players seem to adjust their game to match their teammates unlike Gallo. I'm still amaze that he hasn't been thrust into the PF spot at all. Chandler has played 3 positions and found a way to be effective while Gallo seems stuck on the perimeter game. He is not effective in the post against players his size or near it. His passing still doesn't translate to assists as one would expect. His rebounding is only average for playing at the 3. While I noted that Chandler while playing the majority of his time at the 2 was atop the leader's board. His move to PF spot has translated to more boards with McGrady and point guard in the lineup.

I think that both Gallinari and Chandler should start. I think we might be better served by going big and keeping Lee as the point power F or acquire Gay and put him in as our mobile 4 with Lee at C. Gallo needs to rebound more for 6-10/6-11. That would be hard to guard


C- Lee
F- Gay
F Gallo
G Chandler
G Douglas?

I think for the way Mike D wants to play--this might be the best line up. You still have 4-1 but Gay in the fast tempo would be a significant differential+ signing both Lee and Gay would leave us in the vicinity of 10-12mm to leverage out if needed.

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3/16/2010  2:25 PM
knicks1248 wrote:He's also had to many air balls and terrible shot selections. sometimes he gets out of his relm and thinks he can shoot off the dribble, which is is awful at. But i like his potential, I will blame the back issue's and his recovering summer of 09 in why he didn't improve one aspect of his game.

Im thinking that part of the reason for some of his poor shot selection is a reflection of Al, Nate, and the free flowing system he plays in

That's my point. Chandler was able to adjust to those guys while Gallo still doesn't seem able to do effectively. He still seems to have trouble with McGrady as well. Gallo seems to be a guy who needs to take a lot of shots to be effective in the long run. If you get a bona fide star in here, I'm not sure if they will have patience for guys like that. His early career is starting to remind of Hedo's in Sacramento. I think he will need to find a strong post player to play with to be effective game in and game out.

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3/16/2010  2:26 PM
I think we are seeing the benefits of hard work as far as TD goes. The kid is older and a bit more mature than most coming out of college that make it. He has kept his mouth quiet and worked and now he is getting rewarded. At the NBA level most of the players have the talent it is their work ethic, maturity and character that makes or breaks them. Case in point, Eddy Curry.

I think Chandler, TD, Gallo and Lee have all shown the right character thus far. I hope DW is looking for character guys for the team. It is the right way to go.

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3/16/2010  2:29 PM
Chandler has shown me that he can handle the PF spot in MDA's BB. But if you get Bosh, then I move him back to the SF spot and have Gallo come off the bench until he proves he can be effective for an entire season.
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3/16/2010  2:33 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I think we are seeing the benefits of hard work as far as TD goes. The kid is older and a bit more mature than most coming out of college that make it. He has kept his mouth quiet and worked and now he is getting rewarded. At the NBA level most of the players have the talent it is their work ethic, maturity and character that makes or breaks them. Case in point, Eddy Curry.

I think Chandler, TD, Gallo and Lee have all shown the right character thus far. I hope DW is looking for character guys for the team. It is the right way to go.

Yeah that is the only thing that scares me about Douglas. He isn't a young guy. Today is actually his birthday so he turns 24. I wonder about his upside. To me he is playing the same way he played at Florida State. I like him a lot though.

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3/16/2010  2:59 PM
Pharzeone wrote:Chandler has shown me that he can handle the PF spot in MDA's BB. But if you get Bosh, then I move him back to the SF spot and have Gallo come off the bench until he proves he can be effective for an entire season.

are you finally relenting on that point? you are right though, chandler has said multiple times that he's most comfortable at PF.

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3/16/2010  3:19 PM
guys.. I have been saying the same thing over and over and over again.

In no paticular order we need:
1) playmakers that can create easier shots
2) size in the post

A PG and a center in a nutshell.

Now, Amare or Bosh would serve as such.
JJ may hold the ball but he creates a lot of open shots. Watch the Hawks for 10 minutes and the guy gets his teammates easy shots.

Bosh is a max guy because of age and production
Amare and JJ arent because of age or health.

I dont know what the Knicks will do but Chandler, Lee, Gallo and even Douglas and Walker are a good set of players to start with. Really a nice range of size and skill there. However they need help and they need someone to get them easy shots. Collison is an option there. NO doesnt need him and I still say we should offer them Chandler and the 2nd rounders for Peja and Collison. That literally takes $18mm and puts it right into Shin's wallet. NO losses a backup PG and immediatly saves a huge amount of money and gets a good young player they need in return.

Then you start the season with starting Collison , Walker, Peja, Gallo and Lee. You have Douglas and Giddens off the bench and anyone else you can get. You have Peja and Curry's massive contracts if someone has a firesale (they always do). Its not a complete team, but it will compete. You have a dishing PG and 3 great shooters. You then look to get some size upfront. (maybe you can get OK4).

Let me add thats a plan E... this assumes we whiff on Lebron, Bosh, Wade, etc

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3/16/2010  3:29 PM
I dont think Chandler should start. He's not a tone setter. He's good, I am a buyer there, but if he stays I think he's the right guy to come off the bench. He defends and lets the game come to him. He's better in the flow, kind of like a Lamaar Odom. Since we know MDA likes to play 7 or 8 guys (really 7) Chandler is the perfect guy to give you 30-35 minutes a night off the bench. I love the idea because he can get minutes at the 2/3/4 in any given lineup.

Its not a demotion. Lakers paid Odom $10mm a year to come off the bench.

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