Sergio/Toney
Joe Johnson
Wilson
Gallo
Bosh?

that's a lineup where wilson makes sense and can excel.

crzymdups wrote:i thought rudy and wilson were the same age? that said, i agree that wilson is not on rudy's level. rudy has a step on him and can leap a lot more explosively. that said, depending on how the team is built, i like the idea of keeping wilson. that block on josh smith at the end of the game vs atlanta showed me that he is growing in court awareness and confidence. i think wilson can be a solid starting 3 in this league, as long as he's not meant to be the offensive leader.

Sergio/Toney
Joe Johnson
Wilson
Gallo
Bosh?

that's a lineup where wilson makes sense and can excel.

I completely understand that reasoning. My only issue is I dont think Wilson has a good feel for the game of Basketball. Yea I liked the block but his game in general has not thrilled me. Once we are capped out we are stuck with these guys for the foreseeable future. I can see Gay getting better because he already has the skill set.

TheGame wrote:I am of the view that you can get CHandler for about $5-$6 million less than Gay and CHandler is a better defensive player. I think we are only beginning to see Chandler's game. He did not get to work on things last summer due to injury. I think he will come back next year with a more consistent jumper, with 3pt range. If he does, he easily could be a 18-20 point scorer if given shots. If the goal is the get Lebron or Anthony next year, then why pay Gay the $12 mil or so he is going to demand. In fact, Walsh should go ahead and extend Chandler this summer, if that is an option. I think he is going to have a Lee-like improvement next year.

A Lee like improvement for Chandler would mean actually getting some handle. We dont have the luxury of waiting to see if Chandler turns the corner. I also doubt we can keep Chandler for the 5-6 million less IF he makes the leap you expect him to make.

Rudy Gay is already a 20 point scorer on a good team with other scorers. If Chandler doesn't make the leap then we are stuck.

We need:
playmakers
post defenders

Lee, Gallo, Chandler are fine at the 2/3/4. You have a nice mix skill set wise. I want playmakers and guys that will defend the post.

We need to find creative ways to get a PG. Collison, Rubio, Fredette, etc

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:bottom line is we just dont need more 2/3/4s. We need 1s and 5s. Gay doesnt do the things that Joe Johnson does. Joe Johnson is a 6'7 240 pound shooting guard. He shoots the 3, gets to the line, scores, rebounds and is probably the best passing off guard in the league. Gay isnt getting this team over the hump.

We need:
playmakers
post defenders

Lee, Gallo, Chandler are fine at the 2/3/4. You have a nice mix skill set wise. I want playmakers and guys that will defend the post.

We need to find creative ways to get a PG. Collison, Rubio, Fredette, etc

Joe Johnson is 29 and Rudy Gay is 24. Most thought Atlanta overpaid for Johnson 5 yrs ago too until he proved to be worth it.

Im not saying Rudy Gay will be as good as Joe Johnson was but Im saying Chandler doesn't have a chance to be that good. I also think you are severly overrating Joe Johnson. The guy plays like he has no lift. I see him having to slide over to SF in a few years.

I'd like Playmakers and defenders too but D'Antoni doesnt play defenders who cant score. We had our chance to try to draft a playmaker and failed. You expect creative trades from this front office? I'm only looking at guys who are RFA's and UFA's this summer.

He would also pave the way for Douglas to get big minutes at PG. If cant get a guy like Rubio, Collison, Fredette, etc that factors into getting JJ also.

I also think JJ wouldnt cost us the max. I think 5 years $73mm would get it done (that starts him at $12.5) and that gives us a hell of a lot more flex.

fishmike wrote:he's a 4 times all star and one of the more versatile guys in the game. How is that overrating? He makes guys better and we need that. If he has to slide to SF so be it. If we gave him 5 years he would be 29-34 through that contract and I would be comfortable with that. He's great because of his high BB IQ, not because of his vert.

He would also pave the way for Douglas to get big minutes at PG. If cant get a guy like Rubio, Collison, Fredette, etc that factors into getting JJ also.

I also think JJ wouldnt cost us the max. I think 5 years $73mm would get it done (that starts him at $12.5) and that gives us a hell of a lot more flex.

- I dont care about his resume. I care about how he can help us long term.

- I dont sign a guy so Douglas can get minutes.

- Joe Johnson turned down a 4 yr 60 million dollar extension from Atlanta yet you expect him to come to NYC for less than that per year? Joe Johnson will have 10 years in the NBA as of this summer. Therefore a max deal for him would be 35% of the salary cap. If the cap was 54 million he'd be entitled to 18.9 million as a starting salary. We could potentially sign this guy to a 100 million dollar 5 yr deal.

jimimou wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:Jimi nailed it. The cost for Gay is prohibitive. Chandler is cheap and might be able to be extended for a MLE type contract. Thats what Ariza and Artest signed.

MLE type deal? Come on now. Chandler is better than the MLE. Marvin Williams got a 5 yr 43 million dollar deal and that was based off of potential.

Artest is crazy
Ariza had done little until he got to LA

Chandler will get more than the MLE.

are you serious? what has he done that justifies a statement like that?

btw - artest may be crazy but he is 100X's the player chandler is...i repeat 100X's chandler cant hold artest's jock on the defensive end nor the offensive end. its tiring to hear knciks fans overate the squad when they have only been able to acheive just over 20 wins so far this season......

The MLE is 6 million per. So you are telling me a 23-24 yr old athletic SF with a solid mid range game who plays defense cant get 7 million per? Alot of guys dont get paid for current production they get paid for future production.

Juice wrote:Actually what about Chandler's extension before RFA status?

Unusually those aren't agreed upon unless we plan on overpaying slightly. Remember Donnie is running the show. He will let the market determine Chandlers value.

AnubisADL wrote:

Juice wrote:Actually what about Chandler's extension before RFA status?

Unusually those aren't agreed upon unless we plan on overpaying slightly. Remember Donnie is running the show. He will let the market determine Chandlers value.

Oh so how many years/instances would that make it where we don't extend young players when we have the chance? If Gallo is Bird/Dirk he doesn't hit the market not even as a RFA. Chandler OTOH I'm not sure...his days may be numbered.