Walsh is no Houdini, in fact, he has given a lot and gotten nothing more than his desired cap space. If he doesn't deliver Lebron+Star, his tenure will be considered a failure, cap space or not. But whoever comes in his place should take advantage of the cap for 2011.

And if we have to change the coach to one without silly agendas and willing to play his best players no matter how young they are, so be it.

Knicksfan wrote:So if we strike out in 2010 we simply dismantle the Knicks franchise and follow the Nets? You have a point that this is all about Lebron, but you always have to look at other scenarios in order to make the best out of any situation.

Walsh is no Houdini, in fact, he has given a lot and gotten nothing more than his desired cap space. If he doesn't deliver Lebron+Star, his tenure will be considered a failure, cap space or not. But whoever comes in his place should take advantage of the cap for 2011.

And if we have to change the coach to one without silly agendas and willing to play his best players no matter how young they are, so be it.

This has been a brutal two years. If the plan was to go for cap space we shouldve hired a coach for 2 years @ 2mm per that wouldve conformed to playing younger guys. You know what has killed this organization--the unwillingness to tank a season and accept it. We might be the one's with a Tyreke Evans or S Curry and my bet is with a conventional coach--we wouldve taken Brook Lopez. Honestly this is just a team that has cap space and no set plan accept pray for LBJ. I can see why Chicago balked at MDA--you cannot have a certain system where you need certain players--it's too hard. I don't know what to say anymore--Holfresh is right either Dolan gets Lebron to bail him out or there is no plan.
Maybe with Tiger Woods out for the count--Nike somehow wants LBJ to go to NY because the team itself and the ownership is not compelling. If LBJ comes here he comes here at step 1.

BasketballJones wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm seeing poster here talking about if we strike out in 2010 then there is always 2011...Zach, Curry and Craw would have rolled of the books in 2011 and we would have still been competitive the last two years...We would still have our draft picks...We would have been able to see how the "GREAT" MDA and his SSOL system works...We would probably be in the running for a playoff spot right now...Don't tell me its all about getting under the cap...This is such a joke, we are out swapping draft picks in 2011 to get further under the cap in 2010...We would have been under the cap a year later with all our draft picks...ONE YEAR LATER...I'm simply amazed....This board act as though Walsh is Houdini...We all know who would be available in 2011 with our draft picks...This is all about LeBron and 2010...Yes, Walsh is a STARPHUCKER too...Wake up and deal with it...

I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense, except the part about us being competitive with Zach, Curry & Craw.

lol... i agree... everyone knows this is all in for Lebron this summer, but we were crap with Jamal & Zach on this team & to think we'd have been competitive if we still had those guys here is a reach.

holfresh wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'm seeing poster here talking about if we strike out in 2010 then there is always 2011...Zach, Curry and Craw would have rolled of the books in 2011 and we would have still been competitive the last two years...We would still have our draft picks...We would have been able to see how the "GREAT" MDA and his SSOL system works...We would probably be in the running for a playoff spot right now...Don't tell me its all about getting under the cap...This is such a joke, we are out swapping draft picks in 2011 to get further under the cap in 2010...We would have been under the cap a year later with all our draft picks...ONE YEAR LATER...I'm simply amazed....This board act as though Walsh is Houdini...We all know who would be available in 2011 with our draft picks...This is all about LeBron and 2010...Yes, Walsh is a STARPHUCKER too...Wake up and deal with it...

I understand what you're saying, and it makes sense, except the part about us being competitive with Zach, Curry & Craw.

We were playing .500 ball with these guys in the line-up...DLee and Chandler stepped up this year...Is that a function of those two guys not being here, I can't say...I don't see how Zach not being here enables DLee to knock down a jump shot...Would it be nice to see all these guys playing their A game in a Knick uniform, yes...But let me say this...If our newly hired guru/all NBA coach can't get us 7 to 10 more wins than Isiah with the same squad, what's the point in hiring him...Are you telling me they can only play this well in anything other than a Knick uniform???..Are you telling me their current coaches are better than MDA at extracting talent from these players???

6-5 is a bit short to suggest it would have lasted. see: lbrown with marbs (hey, they had a 6 game win streak, after 11 games, 6-5)
the next season had some runs of winning, the next, etc... look at dec of this season. a few folks were goin nutty over that one. cherry picking an 11 game run in dec, you can find a 7-4 run...

i dont understand the lure of zr/jc on the knicks... we lost with jc for years, lost with zr for his full season. whats the attraction? sellers remorse cuz they are playing better in completely diff situations?

holfresh wrote:
No lure/no attraction, no cherry picking what so ever, I'm not that guy...But are u saying this coach can't get us 7-10 more wins than Isiah with same squad??

I think it's unfair to use the Isiah years to judge any player I don't think anyone could have succeeded in that situation especially towards the end. But to continue with your point two guys tailored made for D'Antoni' system and you don't even give them a full two months together to see if it works.

bitty41 wrote:

holfresh wrote:
No lure/no attraction, no cherry picking what so ever, I'm not that guy...But are u saying this coach can't get us 7-10 more wins than Isiah with same squad??

I think it's unfair to use the Isiah years to judge any player I don't think anyone could have succeeded in that situation especially towards the end. But to continue with your point two guys tailored made for D'Antoni' system and you don't even give them a full two months together to see if it works.

the only player that applies to is zr. jc/curry/marbs/qrich/lee were all "old timers" on the knicks when mike got here. jc is still doing the same things for atl except in a smaller role (nice games followed by a few games of dreadful shooting). zr i think did here what he does elsewhere, puts up points and rbs. the team wasnt well constructed, and still isnt. thats a reason why they stink.

for what lee is doing now, he is a lower priced zr (until his next gig). and the wins still dont come with lee. would they have with zr, my bet is no, yet we wont know so what can we do? my take is, go for gold (since this seems to be the plan): lbj + whatever cat he thinks will help and is willing to arrive. if that doesnt pan out, walsh is in major trouble.

sidsanders wrote:

bitty41 wrote:

holfresh wrote:
No lure/no attraction, no cherry picking what so ever, I'm not that guy...But are u saying this coach can't get us 7-10 more wins than Isiah with same squad??

I think it's unfair to use the Isiah years to judge any player I don't think anyone could have succeeded in that situation especially towards the end. But to continue with your point two guys tailored made for D'Antoni' system and you don't even give them a full two months together to see if it works.

the only player that applies to is zr. jc/curry/marbs/qrich/lee were all "old timers" on the knicks when mike got here. jc is still doing the same things for atl except in a smaller role (nice games followed by a few games of dreadful shooting). zr i think did here what he does elsewhere, puts up points and rbs. the team wasnt well constructed, and still isnt. thats a reason why they stink.

for what lee is doing now, he is a lower priced zr (until his next gig). and the wins still dont come with lee. would they have with zr, my bet is no, yet we wont know so what can we do? my take is, go for gold (since this seems to be the plan): lbj + whatever cat he thinks will help and is willing to arrive. if that doesnt pan out, walsh is in major trouble.

Oh but the Knicks are going to properly constructed a team in the span of one summer something they haven't done in almost a decade? Even with LBJ/another signing they still need a bench, point guard, center, all these big gaping wholes exist and if the Knicks are going to commit most of their salary to two players, what everyone else is suppose to take a paycut to play here.

sidsanders wrote:

holfresh wrote:
No lure/no attraction, no cherry picking what so ever, I'm not that guy...But are u saying this coach can't get us 7-10 more wins than Isiah with same squad??

i was cherry picking (11 consecutive games) to show this team always has a run or 2 like the 6-5 start... i dont see the point of keeping that team together. so they go from 20s to 30s in wins, not a big deal to me. i havent cared for how the coach has done things so you wont get an arg from me for that.

Well from 33 wins to 43 wins is a big deal not counting Isiah last disfunctional year...

holfresh wrote:
No lure/no attraction, no cherry picking what so ever, I'm not that guy...But are u saying this coach can't get us 7-10 more wins than Isiah with same squad??

Well, as I recall, the knock on Isiah was not that he didn't get talented guys, but that he didn't (or couldn't) bring in guys who complimented each other. Bringing in Randolph when you had Curry is an example. So I think the case can be made that the team as constructed wasn't going to win many more games. Whether it was because of chemistry or skill sets that were not complimentary - or maybe because the coach is a dickhead who can't get the most out of the players he has.

I'm not in the mood to defend D'Antoni specifically, but we are talking about a generally ****ed up situation, where it's gonna be hard to make moves that everyone universally thinks are great. I guess GMs have to gamble. Layden gambled on MyDyess, Isiah gambled on Curry.... Now I guess Walsh is betting he can get us LeBron.... I guess we'll have to see.

Maybe when/if LeBron gets here, he'll start sucking too.