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nixluva
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2/27/2010  10:53 PM
C-Bosh
PF-Gallo
SF-TMac
SG-Johnson
PG-S. Rodriguez

6th Man-Chandler

I think this would be a realistic group to put together. I would try to pick up Patrick O'Bryant to back up the C spot. Overall we'd have a ton of shooting and passing ability on the floor. We could run and play halfcourt. Still not a defensive powerhouse but we could afford to add some cheap defensive role players since we have so much offense.

I could live with this team and I think it's realistic. Bosh is the tough part cuz he'd have to be convinced this team would be better than what he has right now or what he could get in Miami. I'd remind him that we would have more cap space in 2011 to further improve the team.

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2/27/2010  10:57 PM
you put gallo at pf, you might as well put him on the IR for the season.
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2/27/2010  10:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  10:59 PM
nixluva wrote:C-Bosh
PF-Gallo
SF-TMac
SG-Johnson
PG-S. Rodriguez

6th Man-Chandler

I think this would be a realistic group to put together. I would try to pick up Patrick O'Bryant to back up the C spot. Overall we'd have a ton of shooting and passing ability on the floor. We could run and play halfcourt. Still not a defensive powerhouse but we could afford to add some cheap defensive role players since we have so much offense.

I could live with this team and I think it's realistic. Bosh is the tough part cuz he'd have to be convinced this team would be better than what he has right now or what he could get in Miami. I'd remind him that we would have more cap space in 2011 to further improve the team.

That's a lineup guaranteed to never contend. It's a second round and out on a good year lineup.

Dolan loves that kind of lineup because he sells tickets.

And Patrick O'Bryant? Really? Why not just bring back Pat Cummings or Greg Butler?

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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2/28/2010  1:56 AM
I believe that team would at least get you into the playoff fight. It's not a sexy looking lineup but I wasn't going for dream teams here just what I thought could realistically happen.
I'm no longer looking for a perfect lineup in 2010. I don't think it's possible to put together a perfect team in year one. You have to think incrementally. 2010 is just the beginning of the process. It continues from there but stage one may actually look something like this.

There are a few cheap C's out there and I just used O'bryant as an example of what kind of player we'd be able to affford! It's likely not going to be someone good.

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2/28/2010  2:48 AM
nixluva wrote:You have to think incrementally. 2010 is just the beginning of the process. It continues from there but stage one may actually look something like this.

After 2011, the Knicks are probably capped out with no picks, so it will be incremental all right!

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2/28/2010  3:01 AM
impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract
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2/28/2010  3:33 AM
TMS wrote:impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract

I'm not sure what DW will do with Curry, but I'm assuming a buyout. I just don't see Lebron or Wade comin so that leaves Bosh/Johnson as the best FA pair we could put together. Knowing Dolan he's gonna want some kind of star power to sell the fans on. If TMac is true to his desire to want to win then he'll sign for a vet min and Bosh n Johnson may have to take just a bit less in order to fit.
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2/28/2010  3:56 AM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract

I'm not sure what DW will do with Curry, but I'm assuming a buyout. I just don't see Lebron or Wade comin so that leaves Bosh/Johnson as the best FA pair we could put together. Knowing Dolan he's gonna want some kind of star power to sell the fans on. If TMac is true to his desire to want to win then he'll sign for a vet min and Bosh n Johnson may have to take just a bit less in order to fit.

Somebody please clarify this... I am under the impression that buyouts do not effect the cap. I have seen conflicting interpretations on the board. (martin/andrew, what's the deal?)

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2/28/2010  5:34 AM
I think these are the moves the knicks will go with?

It's becoming more realistic david lee should return to the team that drafted him. betcha knicks resigns him. Gallo or Chandler more than likely gets traded for a good pg. sergio rodriguez is strickly a back-up pg. Mcgrady probably comes back to the knicks but for much less than last contract.

Knicks do get to sign at least 1 free agent and if it does become chris bosh who is likely to leave his team compared to wade and lebron, he will get a max contract from the knicks but i dont think he comes here. He rather would play with another team with a superstar such as Miami and Dwayne wade.

probelm for the knicks: they dont have a legit premiere pg that can really shoot and orchestrate the offense. Also they need someone in the middle that can balance the chemistry on the defensive end. Too many Kats running up the middle with ease.

pg. ?/ backup douglas
sg Mcgrady
c. maybe Bosh
pf lee
sf maybe Gallo or Chandler: who ever stays

walker and House probably comes back for cheap.
thats my opinion..

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SupremeCommander wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract

I'm not sure what DW will do with Curry, but I'm assuming a buyout. I just don't see Lebron or Wade comin so that leaves Bosh/Johnson as the best FA pair we could put together. Knowing Dolan he's gonna want some kind of star power to sell the fans on. If TMac is true to his desire to want to win then he'll sign for a vet min and Bosh n Johnson may have to take just a bit less in order to fit.

Somebody please clarify this... I am under the impression that buyouts do not effect the cap. I have seen conflicting interpretations on the board. (martin/andrew, what's the deal?)


61. What is a contract buy-out?

Sometimes players and teams decide to divorce each other. They do this by mutually agreeing that:

* The team will waive the player;
* If the player clears waivers, the compensation protection for lack of skill (see question number 93) will be reduced or eliminated;
* Optionally the payment schedule for the remaining salary may be shortened or lengthened.
* Optionally the team's set-off rights (see question number 56) may be waived.

For example, the Celtics did this with Dino Radja prior to the 1997-98 season. They mutually agreed to reduce Radja's compensation protection to 50% of its value, and then the Celtics waived him. When he cleared waivers he was paid the 50% he was owed, and he was then free to return to Europe.

But there's a twist, which needed an arbitrator's ruling during the 1999-00 season to resolve. As detailed in question number 93, on January 10 all contracts become guaranteed for the rest of the season. Compensation protection insures the player against loss of salary after being waived for lack of skill. But if he is waived after January 10, then he doesn't lose his salary, so the compensation protection does not kick in. Even though the team & player can mutually agree to reduce or eliminate the player's compensation protection, he is still owed his full salary if waived after January 10.

This was challenged by John Starks during the 1999-00 season. Starks had been traded to the Bulls, and wanted to sever ties with the team after January 10. The arbitrator ruled that in the last season of a player's contract, the team and player could choose to eliminate the contract guarantee that kicked in on January 10. Starks and the Bulls were therefore free to agree to a divorce (with no money owed to Starks) as described above.

There is one other type of buyout described in the CBA. When a contract contains an option year, a buyout amount for the option year can be written into the contract. The buyout amount may be up to 50% of the salary for the option year, and is payable with the exercise of an ETO or the non-exercise of an option.

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62. How do buy-outs affect a team's salary cap?

The agreed-upon buy-out amount (see question number 61) is included in the team salary instead of the salary called for in the contract. If the player had more than one season left on his contract, then the buy-out money is distributed among those seasons in proportion to the original salary. For example, say a player had three seasons remaining on his contract, with salaries of $10 million, $11 million and $12 million. The player and team agree to a buyout of $15 million. The $15 million is therefore charged to the team salary over the three seasons. Since the original contract had $33 million left to be paid, and $10 million is 30.3% of $33 million, 30.3% of the $15 million buyout, or $4.545 million, is included in the team salary in the first season following the buyout. Likewise, 33.33% of $15 million, or $5 million, is included in the team salary in the second season, and 36.36% of $15 million, or $5.455 million, is included in the team salary in the third season.

The distribution of the buy-out money is a matter of individual negotiation. Changing the number of years in which the money is paid does not change the number of years in which the team's team salary is charged. In the above example in which the player's contract is bought out with three seasons remaining, the buyout amount is always charged to the team salary over three seasons. It does not matter if the player is actually paid in a lump sum or over 20 years (a spread provision).

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nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract

I'm not sure what DW will do with Curry, but I'm assuming a buyout. I just don't see Lebron or Wade comin so that leaves Bosh/Johnson as the best FA pair we could put together. Knowing Dolan he's gonna want some kind of star power to sell the fans on. If TMac is true to his desire to want to win then he'll sign for a vet min and Bosh n Johnson may have to take just a bit less in order to fit.

even if TMac signs for a veteran's minimum & u can buyout Curry's contract to save the veteran's minimum difference off the cap, you still don't have enough space to account for the 6 other roster spots u have to fill at minimum salary capholds for scrub players & still be able to fit 2 max players & keep Sergio on a qualifying offer unless the cap is above $56M.

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2/28/2010  3:38 PM
Adding bosh and JJ would be awesome imo. I Think these two guys would fit Well together - and I think their egoes would fit together nicely aswell.. And both guys arent supersuperstars like wade and bron. But that's just based on my own opinion of those guys.
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2/28/2010  3:44 PM
Also Johnson reminds me of Allan Houston in some way..
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2/28/2010  3:54 PM
oohah wrote:
nixluva wrote:C-Bosh
PF-Gallo
SF-TMac
SG-Johnson
PG-S. Rodriguez

6th Man-Chandler

I think this would be a realistic group to put together. I would try to pick up Patrick O'Bryant to back up the C spot. Overall we'd have a ton of shooting and passing ability on the floor. We could run and play halfcourt. Still not a defensive powerhouse but we could afford to add some cheap defensive role players since we have so much offense.

I could live with this team and I think it's realistic. Bosh is the tough part cuz he'd have to be convinced this team would be better than what he has right now or what he could get in Miami. I'd remind him that we would have more cap space in 2011 to further improve the team.

That's a lineup guaranteed to never contend. It's a second round and out on a good year lineup.Dolan loves that kind of lineup because he sells tickets.

And Patrick O'Bryant? Really? Why not just bring back Pat Cummings or Greg Butler?

oohah

Dont disagree but the stars have to align just right for any franchise to put together a championship contending roster.

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TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract

I'm not sure what DW will do with Curry, but I'm assuming a buyout. I just don't see Lebron or Wade comin so that leaves Bosh/Johnson as the best FA pair we could put together. Knowing Dolan he's gonna want some kind of star power to sell the fans on. If TMac is true to his desire to want to win then he'll sign for a vet min and Bosh n Johnson may have to take just a bit less in order to fit.

even if TMac signs for a veteran's minimum & u can buyout Curry's contract to save the veteran's minimum difference off the cap, you still don't have enough space to account for the 6 other roster spots u have to fill at minimum salary capholds for scrub players & still be able to fit 2 max players & keep Sergio on a qualifying offer unless the cap is above $56M.

I'm assuming that even tho we say Max that some small concession would be given by the FA to make it possible to fit the guys we need to field a better team. Do we have to be over the cap at the end of the previous season to have the MLE to use or is it that we just have to be capped out before the start of the next season? Also how about the Bi Annual and I thought we could sign as many guys to a Minimum Exception contract as we wanted.

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2/28/2010  4:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/28/2010  4:47 PM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:impossible to fit all those salaries under the books unless u dump Curry's contract

I'm not sure what DW will do with Curry, but I'm assuming a buyout. I just don't see Lebron or Wade comin so that leaves Bosh/Johnson as the best FA pair we could put together. Knowing Dolan he's gonna want some kind of star power to sell the fans on. If TMac is true to his desire to want to win then he'll sign for a vet min and Bosh n Johnson may have to take just a bit less in order to fit.

even if TMac signs for a veteran's minimum & u can buyout Curry's contract to save the veteran's minimum difference off the cap, you still don't have enough space to account for the 6 other roster spots u have to fill at minimum salary capholds for scrub players & still be able to fit 2 max players & keep Sergio on a qualifying offer unless the cap is above $56M.

I'm assuming that even tho we say Max that some small concession would be given by the FA to make it possible to fit the guys we need to field a better team. Do we have to be over the cap at the end of the previous season to have the MLE to use or is it that we just have to be capped out before the start of the next season? Also how about the Bi Annual and I thought we could sign as many guys to a Minimum Exception contract as we wanted.

u still have to account for the cap holds before u even sign anyone... even if we renounce D Lee, Walker & Giddens we lose their Bird Rights so those exceptions go out the window, & we don't have a MLE or bi-annual LLE this summer because we have cap space to use instead... u can't have both... we can only sign guys to veteran's minimum contracts to fill the roster spots u have left over but realistically what kinds of players are you looking at? Eddie House, Bender, our 2 second round picks & a couple summer league invitees is most likely.

the only way to field a realistic team that will contend with 2 max players this summer is to try & work out some kind of sign & trade while dumping Curry's deal... very unlikely scenario but that's what we're looking at... the cap space we have this summer is not going to give Donnie as many options as u might think... the goal is Lebron & in order to get Lebron you're also going to have to sign Bosh, Wade or Amare to the max, & that's even assuming those players are going to simply sign with us outright w/o at least trying to work out S&T's so their old teams get back some kind of value & they can gain the extra 6th year on the end of their contracts... that leaves Donnie with very little room to maneuver for other players to fill the other roster spots that will be any good unless he figures out a way to clear more cap... now that we have very limited assets to include in any trades, his options are even more limited... i have a feeling we're going to end up with a bunch of consolation prizes this summer that Donnie's going to try & sell the Knicks' fanbase on justifying all this.

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2/28/2010  5:02 PM
oohah wrote:
nixluva wrote:C-Bosh
PF-Gallo
SF-TMac
SG-Johnson
PG-S. Rodriguez

6th Man-Chandler

I think this would be a realistic group to put together. I would try to pick up Patrick O'Bryant to back up the C spot. Overall we'd have a ton of shooting and passing ability on the floor. We could run and play halfcourt. Still not a defensive powerhouse but we could afford to add some cheap defensive role players since we have so much offense.

I could live with this team and I think it's realistic. Bosh is the tough part cuz he'd have to be convinced this team would be better than what he has right now or what he could get in Miami. I'd remind him that we would have more cap space in 2011 to further improve the team.

That's a lineup guaranteed to never contend. It's a second round and out on a good year lineup.

Dolan loves that kind of lineup because he sells tickets.

And Patrick O'Bryant? Really? Why not just bring back Pat Cummings or Greg Butler?

oohah

I have to disagree with that assessment.
I'd say that team is stronger than lebron and lee.

Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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2/28/2010  5:14 PM
You bring up a good point in the sign n trade. The FA has to be determined to leave which would likely force his team to at least consider a sign n trade and not necessarily only a two team deal but perhaps a third team to make it work. No one said it was going to be easy!

The Cavs really gave themselves a great shot to retain Lebron by getting Jameson. It still all depends on how Lebron feels but it's heavily slanted towards him staying and that will make it harder for us.

There remains another option and that's maybe a smaller deal with a team like say G.S. in which we take back more than we send. Sign n trade Lee for Monta and Randolph etc.

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2/28/2010  5:39 PM
we would have had a much better shot at sign & trades for guys like Gay or Ellis if we had held onto the picks & Jordan Hill instead of trading them away... i hate to keep belaboring that point but we've really put ourselves into a bind now w/nothing to fall back on if the FA's Donnie wants don't end up walking away from their teams this summer... hopefully he's got some under the table dealings going on here cuz i don't see how teams will just let guys like that walk w/o getting something back... even T-Mac & Grant Hill were gotten by Orlando in sign & trades where they had to give up assets like Ben Wallace & Chucky Atkins & a 1st round pick to get them.
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2/28/2010  6:52 PM
TMS wrote:we would have had a much better shot at sign & trades for guys like Gay or Ellis if we had held onto the picks & Jordan Hill instead of trading them away... i hate to keep belaboring that point but we've really put ourselves into a bind now w/nothing to fall back on if the FA's Donnie wants don't end up walking away from their teams this summer... hopefully he's got some under the table dealings going on here cuz i don't see how teams will just let guys like that walk w/o getting something back... even T-Mac & Grant Hill were gotten by Orlando in sign & trades where they had to give up assets like Ben Wallace & Chucky Atkins & a 1st round pick to get them.

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Let us work on signing David Lee! We should have kept Zack Randolph.

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