We got better real quick, but we pay a price.

Its like a Race car driver not able to drive, a substitute comes in and wins. The car wins, the owner wins, but the guy whose car won, the one with his name all over it did not win.

Now I got to root for Little Penny when for years I did not like him?
Just cuz he is in a Knick uniform? Steph called out Ward and said we would never with with Ward and Childs in the back court. Its not an unreasonable statement, but those were our guys at the time. Now Steph is a Knick and I have to cheer him when I could have cared less about him? Im a knick fan, and those guys were not knicks for many years. I hate missionary teams that collect players. I don't like the NFL because of the % of roster changes year to year. It creates parity, but it also makes it hard for teams to stay together.

I might be old school, but even the knick teams of the 1990s had a certain core to them. The Bulls with Jordan and company kept a core going and it made it interesting.

I liked Lampes personality and was looking forward to his developement. We blast the team for never building with young guys, and here we had a few. This is no knock against Starbury, he is a great player, but I prefer we grow our own. The attention on Starbury deflects on Little Pennies 43mil we now owe him and how he can't move anymore. Eisley sucked, but this guy is eating a lot of money now. Milos is one of the best in Europe, maybe he does or does not cut it here, but its interesting and the payoff for the team can be nice. This does not take away Starburys talent or impact, just another way a fan apprciates the game.

Phx has Amare and Marion to build off of. Some teams can build for long run and I do wish either Laydog, or Thomas had the balls to do the right thing. Dolan wanted to make the playoffs, and he should get his wish. Teams that contend for the long run is done thru the draft, and a complimentry trade to put the final pieces together.

Amare can be with PHX for 15 years, same with Lebron, Carmello, etc.

Steph is 27, and should be great, but what are we surrounding him with? Allan got a few good years left, but Mutumbo? KVH? KT?
Frank is a good supporting guard at best. Othello? Doleac?

So we gonna trade them all? What assets do we have for the next few years? Whats gonna happen in 3 years? Nobody on the knicks seems to care.

Hey, Im not a fan of Laydog, He did a bad job, especially leaving big holes with incomplete trades. I hope Thomas can address these things with further wheeling and dealing. I am rooting for Thomas as I rooted for Laydog to do the right thing.

Teams either win or give hope for the future. I was banking on assets saved for future years. Steph is a great talent and I can understand the business move to get a star.

If the future is here and now, then just win baby. If not, then I will continue to root for the right moves no matter whom is making them.

Good post, Nalod. Haven't seen anyone bring that up before. It's true. Takes some getting used to as a fan to start rooting for guys you rooted against, especially if they gave you reasons to root against them. I'd still have trouble getting behind PJ Brown, for example, even though his tussle with Ward is like ancient history now. But for me, it will only last a little while. I'm already excited about Marbury, and when he wins a couple of games for us, it'll feel like I've been rooting for him forever. Plus, dude's from Brooklyn!

Great piece in the ledger about marburys family when he played in jersey!

Im warming up to the trade the more I read. Those draft picks should be irrelevant providing the team wins.

Its been so long since we had a talent like this that it is possible the chemistry can get real torqued up. KT becomes an issue as he can't run. KVH should get out on the wing on breaks, and alan should get better looks on the perimeter. Stomile at pw would be nice. Mutumbo should get a few easy baskets also.

We do need a low post presence!

Steph has the keys, lets see him drive fast, and take care of the car.

I'm not hating ,I just don't say the words you wanna hear. Everything must be proved over some games ....remember that was your measuring stick. You are such a hypocrite now it's now for all to see!

Hardcore your bait is weak son, I will give this a chance because i'm a knick fan, BUT YOU BETTER GET READY AND MAKE UP SOME EXCUSES. This is a long season. Caseloads and a few others aren't to sure, but you claim everybody is "SURE" all of a sudden we will see. You might be right for a change, but then again...

Marbury = cancer. He's not Kidd or even iverson. He cant co-exist with anyone who might shine as bright as him. How's he gonna feel when Allan Houston has the hot hand? Van Horn? You think he's gonna ride them? You think he's gonna pass? PLEASE.

The guy killed Jersey, and wore out his welcome faster than Kidd did in PHX. Marbury can make big plays, AT THE EXPENSE of the rest of the team. Marbury is not iverson. He doesnt take a team and put them on his back. Marbury is all about himself. You guys really havent followed him that closely over the years.

if Marbury has matured like Thomas vouches, then maybe. Last week his coach called him out saying that he shut his own guys out.

if i had to pick between Milos and Marbury, i'd take Milos, because he isnt a known cancer.

What, you think Allan Houston or Van Horn are happy to be playing w/ Marbury now? NO WAY - Houston is already moping around, and Van Horn's confidence from the past few weeks has been shattered and dashed already.

One thing no one seems to realize in the NBA is that you dont need a LEGEND PG to win, just a rock solid one. That's why we won so many playoff games. Because we had rock solid PGs. To win Finals, you usually need a great SG or a dominant post player (PF/C).

I'm with CaseLoad. Marbury is a loser (in the actual sense)
and fails to make players around him better. He is only
interested in himself. Phoenix sucked with him, NJ
got tons better by trading him for Kidd, and now we are
going to continue to lose with him.

We just drove the jalopee into a ditch.

From ESPN:

Marbury said having Knicks president Isiah Thomas, a player he idolized, bring him back home made the deal even better.


"I'm saying 'thank you' to him and he's saying 'thank you' to me," Marbury said. "It's a great situation."


Now you are telling me this guy is going to be a cancer on this team? I dont think so.

Look, the fact of the matter is that thomas took some HUGE risks and hope it pays off in the end. Period. CASE CLOSED

Yea case they don't follow the game enough and they don't understand what CANCER means. The last thing you can do is tune out players who have been here longer than you. Who's gonna be the go to guy ? oohhhhhhhhh baby this ain't and 1 mix tapes.

Posted by Caseloads:

Look, the fact of the matter is that thomas took some HUGE risks and hope it pays off in the end. Period. CASE CLOSED

If you don't take risk, the next person that replaces you will !