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D'Antoni: Is this guy becoming a problem???
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MS
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2/26/2010  1:10 PM
I really liked Mike coming in and the energy that he was brining to the table. But, I haven't been impressed with his coaching at all. He hasn't got the players really buying into a system, we look unmotivated and he seems to really be clashing with just about everyone.

Last preseason he told Marbury what he needed to do. Marbury played a good preseason came off the bench and got teammates involved. He then created a huge situation out of it that never should have happened.

This guy is reminding me more and more of Jerry Manuel every day. I don't know what kind of ******* says that Jordan "no thumbs" Hill reminds him of Amare. He says Gallinari was the best shooter he has ever seen???

Larry Hughes, Nate Robinson, Darko, he takes shots at players and then makes comments in the media. His rotations have been all over the place. Chris Duhon was garbage all season and you never heard anything about the guy. Al Harrington is the most selfish blackhole I have ever seen and he never gets called out.

He never uses the foul to give. His play calling in late game situations is terrible. The plays he draws up coming out of timeouts are disorganized. He jerked Douglas in and out of the lineup at the start of the season when he was playing well.

I'm not seeing any improvement in any of our guys aside from David Lee. He is comparing Gallo to Darko. Which would be laughable if it wasn't actually scary. The players just don't seem to be responding to him. We needed to show real improvement which we were and the whole thing has fallen about and our big selling point suddenly looks like another Walsh lottery scrub.

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2/26/2010  1:14 PM
MS wrote:He is comparing Gallo to Darko.

Re-read the article. He didn't compare Gallo to Darko, Berman did. MDA's comment was that Gallo had to turn his motor up.

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2/26/2010  1:25 PM
Not really. I'll try to keep this simple.

The Suns were an elite team when they had D'antoni because of Nash, Stoudemire, and their terrific role players.

So basically, at the end of the day it just comes down to the guys who are on the hardwood playing basketball. And we don't have those players.

This can only make him a percantage of the total problem correlated to losing.

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2/26/2010  1:46 PM
I'll go record and say if we don't sign LeBron James or Dwyane Wade, I want Mike D'Antoni gone. I don't like his system. There is no discipline, no defense and no pride. I also cannot stand D'Antoni laughing and cracking jokes after losing by 50.
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2/26/2010  2:01 PM
I want to like D'Antoni. At times, he leaves me puzzled. The rotations are crazy. His dedication to certain players and his distaste for others is frustrating.

However, since he's been here, the Knicks have only made one positive basketball transaction (drafting Gallo). Every other move that I recall, we lost on talent, and gained in cap room. That's tough on a coach.

I think he's shown some creativity. He figured out a way to zone up effectively using Jeffries. I'll give him credit for that. It didn't propel us to defensive juggernaut, but it was new and creative, and, to a degree, it worked. Further, it showed that he does put some thought into defense.

The offense, his specialty, doesn't look so good. But this leads me back to my previous point. Up until now, he hasn't had the benefit of adding better players. Talent-wise this team is much worse than the team we had when he signed on to coach.

If we don't come out the gate flying in 2010, then there's gonna be problems. As for now, the Knicks got 99 problems but the coach ain't one.

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2/26/2010  2:03 PM
If Walsh fired MDA, I would not shed a tear. I have not been impressed at all with his coaching or his player management.
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2/26/2010  2:09 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not really. I'll try to keep this simple.

The Suns were an elite team when they had D'antoni because of Nash, Stoudemire, and their terrific role players.

So basically, at the end of the day it just comes down to the guys who are on the hardwood playing basketball. And we don't have those players.

This can only make him a percantage of the total problem correlated to losing.

totally agree. when you have all star players your going to win games. When you have as many holes as we have your going to get exploited night after night.

MDA has a reputation around the league as being a players coach. A guy that lets talent play and doesnt try to reign you in. Thats why the elite players in the league like him. They know they wont have to run 2 a days and will have freedom on the court. If you have scrubs with mediocre work ethics this is bad (is it ever good?). If you have high level talent that cares about winning I have no doubt MDA is a good coach. As great as Nash is winning 60 games in the West with Diaw playing center and no Amare is a great coaching job. There are other examples.

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2/26/2010  2:29 PM
eViL wrote:I want to like D'Antoni. At times, he leaves me puzzled. The rotations are crazy. His dedication to certain players and his distaste for others is frustrating.

However, since he's been here, the Knicks have only made one positive basketball transaction (drafting Gallo). Every other move that I recall, we lost on talent, and gained in cap room. That's tough on a coach.

I think he's shown some creativity. He figured out a way to zone up effectively using Jeffries. I'll give him credit for that. It didn't propel us to defensive juggernaut, but it was new and creative, and, to a degree, it worked. Further, it showed that he does put some thought into defense.

The offense, his specialty, doesn't look so good. But this leads me back to my previous point. Up until now, he hasn't had the benefit of adding better players. Talent-wise this team is much worse than the team we had when he signed on to coach.

If we don't come out the gate flying in 2010, then there's gonna be problems. As for now, the Knicks got 99 problems but the coach ain't one.

I don't think we've lost on talent. But, where I wonder about MDA is from last season to this, before the trade deadline, he had the same squad as last year, and having guys together from the start of the year, all in the same system - he should have had a better record than he did. Garbage players and all.

Also- while we're gaining cap room, I'd argue we gained talent, especially with the mcgrady trade- or at least players that should fit MDA's system better.

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2/26/2010  2:35 PM
Sorry - but I miss:

We can argue about whether his knicks had more talent than the current group. But I don't think we can argue about who is getting more effort and more results!

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2/26/2010  2:46 PM
franco12 wrote:Sorry - but I miss:

We can argue about whether his knicks had more talent than the current group. But I don't think we can argue about who is getting more effort and more results!

I thought Chaney did a great job with that team. But Spree, Houston and Kurt didnt need to be yelled at to play hard or get back on D. They were bonafide pros.
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2/26/2010  2:49 PM
HAHA!! If you had posted that we were going to miss Don Chaney when Isiah fired him, you would have been laughed off the board. But I understand the sentiment.

franco12 wrote:I don't think we've lost on talent. But, where I wonder about MDA is from last season to this, before the trade deadline, he had the same squad as last year, and having guys together from the start of the year, all in the same system - he should have had a better record than he did. Garbage players and all.

Also- while we're gaining cap room, I'd argue we gained talent, especially with the mcgrady trade- or at least players that should fit MDA's system better.

As far as my talent loss point goes, I think Zach and Craw are both more talented than anyone on our team outside of McGrady (if healthy); and, with respect to T-Mac, he is a very new addition so it is somewhat unfair to include him in the talent debate. With the addition of House and T-Mac our offense has looked much better in two of the last three games.

This season is definitely not a great showing on MDA's part. However, it is also important to grade him against the realistic expectations for the team. It's not like we were pegged for 41 wins. Most people had us in the 30-35 range.

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2/26/2010  2:56 PM
I get the feeling the Dantonio doesn't want to be here. I can see moving on if we don't get the free agent prize. He reminds me of Riley the season he left for Miami, just not happy with talent or the prospects for the future.
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2/26/2010  2:56 PM
eViL wrote:HAHA!! If you had posted that we were going to miss Don Chaney when Isiah fired him, you would have been laughed off the board. But I understand the sentiment.

franco12 wrote:I don't think we've lost on talent. But, where I wonder about MDA is from last season to this, before the trade deadline, he had the same squad as last year, and having guys together from the start of the year, all in the same system - he should have had a better record than he did. Garbage players and all.

Also- while we're gaining cap room, I'd argue we gained talent, especially with the mcgrady trade- or at least players that should fit MDA's system better.

As far as my talent loss point goes, I think Zach and Craw are both more talented than anyone on our team outside of McGrady (if healthy); and, with respect to T-Mac, he is a very new addition so it is somewhat unfair to include him in the talent debate. With the addition of House and T-Mac our offense has looked much better in two of the last three games.

This season is definitely not a great showing on MDA's part. However, it is also important to grade him against the realistic expectations for the team. It's not like we were pegged for 41 wins. Most people had us in the 30-35 range.


dude - blobman had the team at 50 wins with gallo getting 32/11/15, with ten dimes and a few assists as well...

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2/26/2010  2:56 PM
bottom line: MDA was brought in here to lure high level talent because of the regard he has around the league. If we fail to do that this summer than we need to seriously evaluate if he is the right guy for whatever plan B is.

Personally I dont care what he gets out of the guys on this team, most are gone anyway.

It will be good to see Sergio... is there a better system to see what a PG can or cant do? Hopefully that turns out to be a great catch for us. He's 23

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2/26/2010  3:03 PM
Between him and Walsh if shyt doesnt look right next year then he needs to go. On top of his diva behavior if we're not winning then whats the point?
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2/26/2010  3:26 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not really. I'll try to keep this simple.

The Suns were an elite team when they had D'antoni because of Nash, Stoudemire, and their terrific role players.

So basically, at the end of the day it just comes down to the guys who are on the hardwood playing basketball. And we don't have those players.

This can only make him a percantage of the total problem correlated to losing.

That, plus a lot of our players won't buy into a system for a single season. They have no vested interest in doing so.

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2/26/2010  3:29 PM
eViL wrote:If we don't come out the gate flying in 2010, then there's gonna be problems. As for now, the Knicks got 99 problems but the coach ain't one.

I like the Jigga inclusion there. Nice one.

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2/26/2010  3:30 PM
Moonangie wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Not really. I'll try to keep this simple.

The Suns were an elite team when they had D'antoni because of Nash, Stoudemire, and their terrific role players.

So basically, at the end of the day it just comes down to the guys who are on the hardwood playing basketball. And we don't have those players.

This can only make him a percantage of the total problem correlated to losing.

That, plus a lot of our players won't buy into a system for a single season. They have no vested interest in doing so.

Guys might be biding their time here- but a good coach gets through to guys and gets them motivated.

Hence, the term coach.

Collect $4M per year, sitting courtside- that isn't what a coach is.

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2/26/2010  3:32 PM
eViL wrote:With the addition of House and T-Mac our offense has looked much better in two of the last three games. This season is definitely not a great showing on MDA's part. However, it is also important to grade him against the realistic expectations for the team. It's not like we were pegged for 41 wins. Most people had us in the 30-35 range.

Don't forget Sergio. He is a HUGE improvement over Duhon, for energy alone, but also for vision and desire to play. Duhon was a big liability in most games.

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2/26/2010  3:32 PM
fishmike wrote:bottom line: MDA was brought in here to lure high level talent because of the regard he has around the league. If we fail to do that this summer than we need to seriously evaluate if he is the right guy for whatever plan B is.

Personally I dont care what he gets out of the guys on this team, most are gone anyway.

It will be good to see Sergio... is there a better system to see what a PG can or cant do? Hopefully that turns out to be a great catch for us. He's 23

They may be gone, but if he can't get through to these guys to get max effort, how is he going to get minimum level guys that we're going to have to fill the roster out with Lebron to perform? What is to stop those guys from saying - this is Lebron's team.

I can see not caring if MDA gets wins or losses. And I don't.

Its the effort, lack thereof, and the utter contempt he seems to have for some of the guys on his roster.

Lebron might come regardless. But if there is a vet min type player out there, and he sees what happened to Larry Hughes and Darko, where is he heading? Here, or where there is more money?

D'Antoni: Is this guy becoming a problem???

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