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TheGame
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2/23/2010  6:26 AM
Our lack of a 7 foot center destroyed us last night. But I guess we could not have used Darko. I really don't understand MDA sometimes. Darko looked decent in preseason and brought defense and rebounding, and MDA could not find 10 minutes a game for the guy, but he plays Bender a consistent 10 minutes every game. MDA has got to stop focusing on his system and start utilizing the players that he has. This team has needed a center since the start of the season. We got away with using Jeffries since he is an above average defender for a 6'11" guy, but once we traded Jeffries and Hill, why in the world did Walsh and MDA trade Darko. It makes no sense. Sometimes I think MDA and Walsh are brain-dead.
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2/23/2010  6:32 AM
TheGame wrote:OMDA has got to stop focusing on his system and start utilizing the players that he has.

completely agree

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2/23/2010  7:53 AM
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TheGame wrote:OMDA has got to stop focusing on his system and start utilizing the players that he has.

completely agree

+1. dantoni KILLS players values, not inflates them.

Darko could have been built into something, ANYTHING here.

Please, as if Gallo has been built up into something here. And Wilson was an IT pick.
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2/23/2010  8:19 AM
yeah, a few of us have this discussion on going about Darko on this thread:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34147&page=2

it really is a head scratcher why this guy never got a chance here.

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2/23/2010  8:40 AM
Ever thought about Darko as a guy who was fed up with the NBA, USA and everything that went wrong for him since he declared for the draft? Maybe MDA and Donnie really thought of him as a legit 7 footer for us, but he was just not willing to cooperate.

Big deal, he is no longer an NBA player. He will be back in Europe next year and might be a big star over here. Damn, the guy still is 24 years old and his career will restart next season.
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2/23/2010  9:10 AM
That is a BIG knock on MDA - his handling of players personalities. He has benched too many players for that reason and sacrificed their value as well as team wins, which he says is his focus.
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2/23/2010  9:32 AM
TMS wrote:yeah, a few of us have this discussion on going about Darko on this thread:

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=34147&page=2

it really is a head scratcher why this guy never got a chance here.


I was actually surprised at Darko's lack of defensive intensity early on. I also think that his inability to show any kind of jumper doomed him very early on. He wanted to play in the high post and dish from there, but could not hit a jumper. Add to that a below average post game.

I will have to see his recent game with Minny- the one where he played some good minutes. I am coming to terms with the idea that MDA is better with guys who can fit into his system, and is not a coach who adapt to take advantage of the skills that some players have if they don't naturally fit into his style of play.

I was one of the people who wanted Darko last year, and was happy that we picked him up this year. I really thought that he might find some significant minutes with this team, although I also believe that he wants to go home and be with his family, and would not have remained even in the US even if he had been give significant minutes.

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2/23/2010  10:08 AM
Markji wrote:That is a BIG knock on MDA - his handling of players personalities. He has benched too many players for that reason and sacrificed their value as well as team wins, which he says is his focus.

Its one thing if he's benching legit starters, but he's been benching, bench players that were benched at previous destinations. Hughes was benched in Chicago, Darko was banished in Detroit, etc. Agree or disagree, this coach is going with a 8-9 man rotation. Everyone cant play.
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2/23/2010  10:10 AM
Like a lot of narcissists, D'ivatoni has a very narrow lens when it comes to positively assessing others.

Its all about him.

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2/23/2010  11:03 AM
YOu think if he could contribute Darko would not have been playing? Are we as fans really this confident of our analytical abilities to be critical of so much when we are exposed to so little?

It rather back a man who sticks to his principles than one so compromises them.

Y'all ran out Larry for the same reasons.

WE are Cleaning house now.

Now we going to back Darko over MDA?
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2/23/2010  11:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2010  4:07 PM
Nalod wrote:YOu think if he could contribute Darko would not have been playing? Are we as fans really this confident of our analytical abilities to be critical of so much when we are exposed to so little?

It rather back a man who sticks to his principles than one so compromises them.

Y'all ran out Larry for the same reasons.

WE are Cleaning house now.

Now we going to back Darko over MDA?

Not just about Darko...Although Darko was a very adequate big man for Memphis, but here he couldnt get a lick of playing time.

Look at the handling of Nate and Hughes.

We all know D'ivatoni had a huge hand in our drafting of Hill over Jennings.

Its like, if a cat cant hit a 18-30 ft. jumper then he is worthless in the eyes of D'ivatoni. Bottom line is this, D'ivatoni has no problem embarrassing players and making it clear that he has very little flexibility when it comes to the make up of his roster and the individual players who exist in it. D'ivatoni wants to be the man and display his runaway ego, so, as such, there is going to be some criticism and questioning that comes along with it.

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2/23/2010  4:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/23/2010  4:08 PM
danphony has done a terrible job this year, period. there is no reason this team should have 19 wins at this point and his banishing of nate and hughes was a joke. why bender got burn over darko i have no idea, the guy was out of the game for how many years? only reason he played is because he can shoot 3s which is utter stupidity. mike got away with this in PHX because Amare in his prime was one of the top 3 big men in the NBA, but we dont have that here. terrible job coaching.
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2/23/2010  5:11 PM
sebstar wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu think if he could contribute Darko would not have been playing? Are we as fans really this confident of our analytical abilities to be critical of so much when we are exposed to so little?

It rather back a man who sticks to his principles than one so compromises them.

Y'all ran out Larry for the same reasons.

WE are Cleaning house now.

Now we going to back Darko over MDA?

Not just about Darko...Although Darko was a very adequate big man for Memphis, but here he couldnt get a lick of playing time.

Look at the handling of Nate and Hughes.

We all know D'ivatoni had a huge hand in our drafting of Hill over Jennings.

Its like, if a cat cant hit a 18-30 ft. jumper then he is worthless in the eyes of D'ivatoni. Bottom line is this, D'ivatoni has no problem embarrassing players and making it clear that he has very little flexibility when it comes to the make up of his roster and the individual players who exist in it. D'ivatoni wants to be the man and display his runaway ego, so, as such, there is going to be some criticism and questioning that comes along with it.

Darko has been in the league for seven years and has about a 1 1/2 years of so-so backup to his credit. Since he's been in the league he's had some talent an NO heart. Now he's a game changer.

We all know D'ivatoni had a huge hand in our drafting of Hill over Jennings.
Why because we read the NY Post. At best we have unreliable here say.

Who did he embarass? Nate, Darko, Hughes? Haven't all of these guys had issues with other coaches? I'm not going to begin to place blame on the players or the coaches - but I don't know how you decide it's the coach and not the player - again you have no information.

You want to complain about the way the team plays or who they draft that makes sense. Making believe you know the inner working of an organization or worse yet a person you never met is just silly.
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2/23/2010  6:40 PM
Sound like a lot of excuses, Old Fan.

You sound like the type of cat that sees smoke billowing out of the windows and doors and you just assume they're just barbecuing in the house. Naw, dog there's a fire!

Yeah, I havent bugged the Knick offices and locker room, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that D'ivatoni has a problem considering he's the common denominator.

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2/23/2010  6:44 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:
TheGame wrote:OMDA has got to stop focusing on his system and start utilizing the players that he has.

completely agree

+1. dantoni KILLS players values, not inflates them.

Darko could have been built into something, ANYTHING here.

Please, as if Gallo has been built up into something here. And Wilson was an IT pick.

Actully he builds and destroys players value

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2/23/2010  7:05 PM
sebstar wrote:
Nalod wrote:YOu think if he could contribute Darko would not have been playing? Are we as fans really this confident of our analytical abilities to be critical of so much when we are exposed to so little?

It rather back a man who sticks to his principles than one so compromises them.

Y'all ran out Larry for the same reasons.

WE are Cleaning house now.

Now we going to back Darko over MDA?

Not just about Darko...Although Darko was a very adequate big man for Memphis, but here he couldnt get a lick of playing time.

Look at the handling of Nate and Hughes.

We all know D'ivatoni had a huge hand in our drafting of Hill over Jennings.

Its like, if a cat cant hit a 18-30 ft. jumper then he is worthless in the eyes of D'ivatoni. Bottom line is this, D'ivatoni has no problem embarrassing players and making it clear that he has very little flexibility when it comes to the make up of his roster and the individual players who exist in it. D'ivatoni wants to be the man and display his runaway ego, so, as such, there is going to be some criticism and questioning that comes along with it.

Everyone except Donnie Walsh.....

Donnie Walsh on Jennings: My Bad


The Knicks’ boss agrees with the rest of the universe that he screwed up the Brandon Jennings draft pick in spectacular fashion, and Brandon still can’t believe he didn’t end up in NY: “Knicks president Donnie Walsh made a damning statement Friday, saying he didn’t ‘have a good enough feel’ for Jennings’ game. Jennings leapt from high school to Italy last season. ‘I thought I showed them enough in the workout on one-on-one drills, beating everyone else up and down the court, playing defense,’ Jennings said. ‘I thought me and D’Antoni would have a good relationship, speak a little Italian together and go to Italian restaurants. I seen what he did for Steve Nash.’”
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2/23/2010  7:08 PM
In regards to D'Antoni's favoring Hill over Jennings, Isola referenced it today.

Over the summer, D'Antoni wasn't thrilled by the idea of the Knicks pursuing free agent Andre Miller and he had no interest in signing Jayson Williams and Jamaal Tinsley, two point guards that worked out for the club. Also, D'Antoni favored Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings in the draft.

He showed great loyalty toward Duhon, probably to the detriment of the team. It was Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski who encouraged D'Antoni to sign Duhon prior to the 2008-09 season and it's obvious that the decision was a poor one.

Now, the so-called Spanish chocolate in the flavor of the week and Duhon is getting the Marbury treatment

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2010/02/knicks-giving-duhon-the-marbur.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fknicks+%28Blogs%2FKnicks+Knation%29#ixzz0gPJef3nE

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2/23/2010  7:12 PM
Clearly.

We all know if D'ivatoni wanted Jennings here then he would be here. The Diva wears the pants in the relationship. Walsh wears the Depends.

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2/23/2010  7:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:In regards to D'Antoni's favoring Hill over Jennings, Isola referenced it today.

Over the summer, D'Antoni wasn't thrilled by the idea of the Knicks pursuing free agent Andre Miller and he had no interest in signing Jayson Williams and Jamaal Tinsley, two point guards that worked out for the club. Also, D'Antoni favored Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings in the draft.

He showed great loyalty toward Duhon, probably to the detriment of the team. It was Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski who encouraged D'Antoni to sign Duhon prior to the 2008-09 season and it's obvious that the decision was a poor one.

Now, the so-called Spanish chocolate in the flavor of the week and Duhon is getting the Marbury treatment

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2010/02/knicks-giving-duhon-the-marbur.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fknicks+%28Blogs%2FKnicks+Knation%29#ixzz0gPJef3nE

Nevermind what Walsh actually said, we'll go with Isola's hersay. Got it.
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2/23/2010  7:35 PM
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CrushAlot wrote:In regards to D'Antoni's favoring Hill over Jennings, Isola referenced it today.

Over the summer, D'Antoni wasn't thrilled by the idea of the Knicks pursuing free agent Andre Miller and he had no interest in signing Jayson Williams and Jamaal Tinsley, two point guards that worked out for the club. Also, D'Antoni favored Jordan Hill over Brandon Jennings in the draft.

He showed great loyalty toward Duhon, probably to the detriment of the team. It was Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski who encouraged D'Antoni to sign Duhon prior to the 2008-09 season and it's obvious that the decision was a poor one.

Now, the so-called Spanish chocolate in the flavor of the week and Duhon is getting the Marbury treatment

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2010/02/knicks-giving-duhon-the-marbur.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nydnrss%2Fblogs%2Fknicks+%28Blogs%2FKnicks+Knation%29#ixzz0gPJef3nE

Nevermind what Walsh actually said, we'll go with Isola's hersay. Got it.

Where in Walsh's statement did he say that D'ivatoni wanted Jennings?

Walsh is just falling on the sword. Like I said, he wears the Depends, El Diva's got the pants.

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