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LeBron would make 11-12M more staying home, not 30M as reported.
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Cosmic
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2/22/2010  12:17 AM
I did the best I can with this with my limited knowledge of the cap.

From what I have read if LeBron stays home he can start at 17.5M max contract with 12.5% raises per year.

If he joins a new team he starts at a base of 16.5M with 10% raises.

I did both a full max (5 years new, 6 years present) and also a 3-year situation (3 years new, 3 years present).

These numbers, I don't know, but, it's just an illustration on how the media and troll represented "He'd give up 30M to come to the Knicks" is simply UNTRUE.

Pictures...speak louder than words, so here's a picture.

Again, I don't know how accurate this is.

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2/22/2010  12:21 AM
isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?
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2/22/2010  12:27 AM
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

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2/22/2010  12:31 AM
Cosmic wrote:I did the best I can with this with my limited knowledge of the cap.

From what I have read if LeBron stays home he can start at 17.5M max contract with 12.5% raises per year.

If he joins a new team he starts at a base of 16.5M with 10% raises.

I did both a full max (5 years new, 6 years present) and also a 3-year situation (3 years new, 3 years present).

These numbers, I don't know, but, it's just an illustration on how the media and troll represented "He'd give up 30M to come to the Knicks" is simply UNTRUE.

Pictures...speak louder than words, so here's a picture.

Again, I don't know how accurate this is.

Lebron would have to give up 41mm to play with another team. They CBA is changing and supposedly it may go down quite a bit. You simply cannot guarantee that in 5 years Lebron James will be an nBA basketball player worth 30mm per years. Bernard King was great too and jumped a tad wrong one night in Texas.

Comsic can NY offer Lebron James a 6 eyar contact---answer NO

Can the Cavs offer him a contract worth 41mm more answer YES

There is nothing else--you cant speculate about anything 5 years from now.

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2/22/2010  12:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  12:33 AM
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.
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2/22/2010  12:33 AM
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

new cba could hinder this. who knows what the new cba rules will dictate as to a max sal or extensions.

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2/22/2010  12:34 AM
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

You're the guy who doenst get it!!! Dont you understand thats why they made htis rule--so the home town team could offer substantially more?

I have no idea what you do for a living Cosmic


but let me put two proposals on the table--please pick 1

6 years 144mm
5 years 103mm

Take your pick

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2/22/2010  12:35 AM
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.

Well, that there is the difference, what if he blows out his knee in the first week, yes, then he left 30M or so on the table (5 years versus 6 years)

But if you waive any chance of injury and just look at the numbers/years head on.... it's negligible. It's not 30M. It's around 12M.

Yet you DO see what I am saying here. Thank God someone does.

BRIGGS keeps upping his numbers. Now it's 41M. By the end of next week LeBron will be forfeiting 200 trillion dollars to come to the Knicks according to BRIGGS.

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2/22/2010  12:37 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

You're the guy who doenst get it!!! Dont you understand thats why they made htis rule--so the home town team could offer substantially more?

I have no idea what you do for a living Cosmic


but let me put two proposals on the table--please pick 1

6 years 144mm
5 years 103mm

Take your pick

You're ridiculous. Fine, LeBron will make 2,000,000,000,000,000.01 dollars more staying in Cleveland. Knicks suck. Fire Walsh. Fire Mike. We're all idiots. Give D'Andre Jordan the max. GO Grizzlies. Or something. Whatever the hell it is you want you got it.

Honestly, you come off as one big troll clueless to the world of basketball.

What the hell your problem is I will never know and I don't want to know.

But stop with the DISINFORMATION. JUST STOP.

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2/22/2010  12:39 AM
sidsanders wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

new cba could hinder this. who knows what the new cba rules will dictate as to a max sal or extensions.

Well now you're thinking about things none of us know about. If the league collapses I highly doubt any long term contract gets honored beyond the collapse date.

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2/22/2010  12:40 AM
Cosmic wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.

Well, that there is the difference, what if he blows out his knee in the first week, yes, then he left 30M or so on the table (5 years versus 6 years)

But if you waive any chance of injury and just look at the numbers/years head on.... it's negligible. It's not 30M. It's around 12M.

Yet you DO see what I am saying here. Thank God someone does.

BRIGGS keeps upping his numbers. Now it's 41M. By the end of next week LeBron will be forfeiting 200 trillion dollars to come to the Knicks according to BRIGGS.

He got the 41 from your chart. 12.92 + 28.17 (6th year under the Knicks).

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2/22/2010  12:42 AM
Cosmic wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

You're the guy who doenst get it!!! Dont you understand thats why they made htis rule--so the home town team could offer substantially more?

I have no idea what you do for a living Cosmic


but let me put two proposals on the table--please pick 1

6 years 144mm
5 years 103mm

Take your pick

You're ridiculous. Fine, LeBron will make 2,000,000,000,000,000.01 dollars more staying in Cleveland. Knicks suck. Fire Walsh. Fire Mike. We're all idiots. Give D'Andre Jordan the max. GO Grizzlies. Or something. Whatever the hell it is you want you got it.

Honestly, you come off as one big troll clueless to the world of basketball.

What the hell your problem is I will never know and I don't want to know.

But stop with the DISINFORMATION. JUST STOP.


If I am giving out misinformation--can you please tell me the maximum contract offer the NY Knicks can offer Lebron James this summer and what the Cavs can offer him. Im clueless to the world of basketball---OK dude--I think everyone hear will refute that.

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2/22/2010  12:45 AM
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.

Well, that there is the difference, what if he blows out his knee in the first week, yes, then he left 30M or so on the table (5 years versus 6 years)

But if you waive any chance of injury and just look at the numbers/years head on.... it's negligible. It's not 30M. It's around 12M.

Yet you DO see what I am saying here. Thank God someone does.

BRIGGS keeps upping his numbers. Now it's 41M. By the end of next week LeBron will be forfeiting 200 trillion dollars to come to the Knicks according to BRIGGS.

He got the 41 from your chart. 12.92 + 28.17 (6th year under the Knicks).

I don't get this dude's angle--maybe he should read the CBA a few times--we can only offer 5 year with lower raises than what Clev can offer. There is no other answer.

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2/22/2010  12:50 AM
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.

new cba could hinder this. who knows what the new cba rules will dictate as to a max sal or extensions.

Well now you're thinking about things none of us know about. If the league collapses I highly doubt any long term contract gets honored beyond the collapse date.

i think the FA's are thinking about potential cba changes and how that may impact where they land. the 6 years you have are based on rules that are probably going to be diff and favor the owners (cuz i dont see the players not caving). if they remain as is, this could be useful for this summer.

im not suspecting the nba goes away, though a work stoppage is possible -- then the players cave.

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2/22/2010  12:52 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.

Well, that there is the difference, what if he blows out his knee in the first week, yes, then he left 30M or so on the table (5 years versus 6 years)

But if you waive any chance of injury and just look at the numbers/years head on.... it's negligible. It's not 30M. It's around 12M.

Yet you DO see what I am saying here. Thank God someone does.

BRIGGS keeps upping his numbers. Now it's 41M. By the end of next week LeBron will be forfeiting 200 trillion dollars to come to the Knicks according to BRIGGS.

He got the 41 from your chart. 12.92 + 28.17 (6th year under the Knicks).

I don't get this dude's angle--maybe he should read the CBA a few times--we can only offer 5 year with lower raises than what Clev can offer. There is no other answer.

year 6 is from an extension, though based on current cba for max sal increases (my caveat)

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2/22/2010  12:52 AM
Cosmic wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.

Well, that there is the difference, what if he blows out his knee in the first week, yes, then he left 30M or so on the table (5 years versus 6 years)

But if you waive any chance of injury and just look at the numbers/years head on.... it's negligible. It's not 30M. It's around 12M.

Yet you DO see what I am saying here. Thank God someone does.

BRIGGS keeps upping his numbers. Now it's 41M. By the end of next week LeBron will be forfeiting 200 trillion dollars to come to the Knicks according to BRIGGS.

Technically, we do not know what the 6th year under the Knicks would be because it would the first year of a new contract, so it will depend on the salary cap and what max contract is in 6 years. So, even in potential earnings, which is what you are talking about, it is more than the 12.92 Mil.

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2/22/2010  12:55 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
WindsorPl wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
sidsanders wrote:isnt it 30 cuz he gets the 6th year while nyk can only do a 5 yr deal without doing a s&t?

Ugh lol.

Again you can't compare 6 to 5. You compare 5 to 5. Or you compare 6 to 6. If he stays home, yes, he can sign 6 years. If he comes here, yes, he can sign 5 years. Yet, if he comes here, he will sign 5, and then be extended. So you compare the 6 years in cleveland versus the 5 years + 1 extended here in NY.

See my point? It's NOT 30 MILLION.

Follow the chart, and you'll see the point. He's leaving 12.5% raises on a base of 17.5 versus 10% raises on a base of 16.5. That's it. It's not like if he came to NY after year 5 he dies. He will re-up. And his first year of re-up would be what you compare to 6 years staying home. And in that the numbers are negligible. Especially considering ENDORSEMENTS.

It's not 30M. It's like 11-12M.

Why...........this is such a mental blockade for everyone I don't understand.


Cosmic,
All NBA contracts are guaranteed. It is 30+ Mil in guaranteed money he has to leave on the table. Potential money, sure they are about the same because you can assume the Knicks will extend him at least that 6th year, maybe more. But it is not guaranteed.

Well, that there is the difference, what if he blows out his knee in the first week, yes, then he left 30M or so on the table (5 years versus 6 years)

But if you waive any chance of injury and just look at the numbers/years head on.... it's negligible. It's not 30M. It's around 12M.

Yet you DO see what I am saying here. Thank God someone does.

BRIGGS keeps upping his numbers. Now it's 41M. By the end of next week LeBron will be forfeiting 200 trillion dollars to come to the Knicks according to BRIGGS.

He got the 41 from your chart. 12.92 + 28.17 (6th year under the Knicks).

I don't get this dude's angle--maybe he should read the CBA a few times--we can only offer 5 year with lower raises than what Clev can offer. There is no other answer.

He is talking about potential earnings, you are talking about guaranteed money.

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2/22/2010  7:27 AM
WindsorPl wrote:

He got the 41 from your chart. 12.92 + 28.17 (6th year under the Knicks).

So he can't read a simple chart? Why add the 6th year of the Knick illustration and the posted differential between the two six year contracts and claim that's the real difference when it's not? LOL?

WindsorPl wrote:
He is talking about potential earnings, you are talking about guaranteed money.


Exactly. Why this concept is so far out of some people's reach is confusing.

WindsorPl wrote:
Technically, we do not know what the 6th year under the Knicks would be because it would the first year of a new contract, so it will depend on the salary cap and what max contract is in 6 years. So, even in potential earnings, which is what you are talking about, it is more than the 12.92 Mil.

Well, yeah, I'm unsure of exact numbers, it was just an illustration to show that when people say "30M" they seem to want to lead you to believe that equal length contracts are 30M apart when they're not. Yet, "Year 6" in the Knick illustration would be an extension of the current contract and not a brand new contract I would think....so maybe the number isn't that far off.

Still, again, the difference is negligible and that was the point of the post - to illustrate that this "he wont leave 30M" is a media trick to make things interesting and unfortunately fans take the number and run when it's not an equal comparison of potential contracts.

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2/22/2010  8:02 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Cosmic wrote:I did the best I can with this with my limited knowledge of the cap.

From what I have read if LeBron stays home he can start at 17.5M max contract with 12.5% raises per year.

If he joins a new team he starts at a base of 16.5M with 10% raises.

I did both a full max (5 years new, 6 years present) and also a 3-year situation (3 years new, 3 years present).

These numbers, I don't know, but, it's just an illustration on how the media and troll represented "He'd give up 30M to come to the Knicks" is simply UNTRUE.

Pictures...speak louder than words, so here's a picture.

Again, I don't know how accurate this is.

Lebron would have to give up 41mm to play with another team. They CBA is changing and supposedly it may go down quite a bit. You simply cannot guarantee that in 5 years Lebron James will be an nBA basketball player worth 30mm per years. Bernard King was great too and jumped a tad wrong one night in Texas.

Comsic can NY offer Lebron James a 6 eyar contact---answer NO

Can the Cavs offer him a contract worth 41mm more answer YES

There is nothing else--you cant speculate about anything 5 years from now.


no its $41mm?

good job. By the summer it will be "Lebron will have to give up $80mm to sign with another team"

What you should do when considering these things:
a) ignore reality (check)
b) make stuff up (check)
c) find the most obscure and least likely scenario and assume nothing but that can happen (check)

THE ONLY SCENARIO WHERE LEBRON WOULD LOSE $30MM IS IF HE WERE TO GET HURT AND NOT PLAY BASKETBALL AGAIN, THEREFORE MAKING THIS THE LAST CONTRACT HE GETS IN THE NBA.

Maybe caps will help?

Briggs, have your calculations taken into consideration:
a) His expiring Nike contract?
b) there is speculation he could get his own cable channel?
c) that by now Andrew Bynum is 8 feet with a 10 foot wingspan and competing with BJ Mullens for league MVP?

I mean really dude

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2/22/2010  8:53 AM

Briggs is right as is Coz. YOur both right in your perspectives. Bottom line is Lebron might be in a different situation than most other max players are looking at.

He has youth on his side, and incredible earning potential off the court. This is somthing Bosh and Amare does not have. Wade does.

In KNick land we will sign a player, like Allan Houstan, let him opt out and give him crazy money. We take car of our players. So in effect even if Lebron goes down, we will give him a deal like the Wiz took care of Arenas. Was that not a crazy contract? Give a guy 120mil while rehabbing his knee? He comes back too early, plays on a knee not ready and then gets the money.

If Bernard King played today they could repair his knee better with new techniques. He came back (not all the way) but he came back.

It think other than wade and Lebron most players will not take the lesser deal.

I really think if it plays out Lee is either signed here as a sidekick, and Im ok with that (Jordan hill was the price we paid for that option) or he is signed and traded. Either way Mr. Lee is taken care of and treated well by the Knicks. Our team does some dumb things but screwing players is not one of them. BTW, Marbury screwed himself long before MDA benched him.

So yeah, Briggs is right when applicable, and Cosmic also in his perspective.

The world is not just black and white! Lots of Gray areas.

LeBron would make 11-12M more staying home, not 30M as reported.

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