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Andrew
Posts: 26600 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #1 USA |
2/21/2010 1:46 PM
Actual cap space is more around 31M because of the roster spot holds.
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WindsorPl
Posts: 20413 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2009 Member: #2799 USA |
2/21/2010 1:55 PM
Cosmic wrote: Lee's cap hold is 10.5 Mil. |
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PresIke
Posts: 27671 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/26/2001 Member: #33 USA |
2/21/2010 3:53 PM
WindsorPl wrote:Andrew wrote:WindsorPl, I think most poeple know that our exirings have cap holds. There are many different scenerios that could lead to different amounts of actual cap space gained. Lee could be resigned, remounced signed and traded. sez who? the knicks could VERY well deal lee in a sign and trade... and there is no absolute regarding the knicks need to sign and trade lee to get another max player... actually, if the cap figure is 53 mil they would have to make a little more cap room, but could do so with buying out eddy curry, for example. Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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Cosmic
Posts: 26570 Alba Posts: 27 Joined: 3/17/2006 Member: #1115 USA |
2/21/2010 4:52 PM
Andrew wrote:WindsorPl, I think most poeple know that our exirings have cap holds. There are many different scenerios that could lead to different amounts of actual cap space gained. Lee could be resigned, remounced signed and traded. That's the truth about any of our 2010 expiring players. But you are correct, and I forgot about, those roster spot cap holds (are they vet minimum each?) up to... 13 filled spots? So, that'd be 7 spots times minimum? Yikes! But, how does that affect us in terms of "Well, two of those cap held spots are being signed" type deal? If you replace a cap held spot with a player...then well, the cap hit is whatever you signed the player to correct? But still, I keep forgetting about these ridiculous cap holds for empty slots. Pooh. But, it's still an image I never EVER thought I'd see this soon. To see only 17.8M guaranteed salary for a following season. It's nice. What we do with it, well...that's another story. http://popcornmachine.net/ A must-use tool for NBA stat junkies!
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/21/2010 5:25 PM
nixluva wrote:I'm not even worried about Lebron anymore. If he comes, which was a longshot to begin with and even tougher now with Jamison, I'd be ecstatic. However there are other scenarios that could still lead to a title centending team. We'll have to see what 30+mil will get us. My guess is that can bring us a lot of premium talent. dude, we could sign D Lee, Camby,T-Mac & Bender with the cap space & you'd be fine with it. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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WindsorPl
Posts: 20413 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/12/2009 Member: #2799 USA |
2/21/2010 6:01 PM
PresIke wrote:and there is no absolute regarding the knicks need to sign and trade lee to get another max player... Actually, there is. They have about 21 M in cap space counting Lee's cap hold. That's 1 max contract plus about 5 Mil. |
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AnubisADL
Posts: 27382 Alba Posts: 13 Joined: 6/29/2009 Member: #2771 USA |
2/21/2010 6:09 PM
WindsorPl wrote:PresIke wrote:and there is no absolute regarding the knicks need to sign and trade lee to get another max player... I think a better use of our cap would be getting guys younger than 26. Gay would be nice addition for McGrady to mentor. NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
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nyvector16
Posts: 21341 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/9/2001 Member: #130 USA |
2/21/2010 6:49 PM
If T-Mac is able to contribute anywhere close to what he did last night on a consistent basis, then I think I would rather have D-Lee & T-Mac return to play alongside a Lebron or Wade than to go for 2 and fill out the rest of the roster will minimum salaries...
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/21/2010 6:54 PM
nyvector16 wrote:If T-Mac is able to contribute anywhere close to what he did last night on a consistent basis, then I think I would rather have D-Lee & T-Mac return to play alongside a Lebron or Wade than to go for 2 and fill out the rest of the roster will minimum salaries... it all depends on what Lebron would rather have this summer... he's got Donnie Walsh by the balls with a pair of pliers & a blowtorch right now. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27678 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
2/21/2010 7:23 PM
2010 Under Contract Eddy Curry 11,276,863.00 Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00 Wilson Chandler 2,130,481.00 Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00 2nd rd pick 473,604.00 2nd rd pick 473,604.00 Cap Hold 473,604.00 Cap Hold 473,604.00 Cap Hold 473,604.00 Cap Hold 473,604.00 Cap Hold 473,604.00 Cap Hold 473,604.00 Under Contract 21,571,736.00 Salary Cap 57,000,000.00 Cap Space 35,428,264.00 You know I gonna spin wit it
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27678 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
2/21/2010 7:25 PM
2010 The Plan Eddy Curry 11,276,863.00 Danilo Gallinari 3,304,560.00 Sergio Rodriguez 2,805,888.00 (Qualifying Offer) Wilson Chandler 2,130,481.00 Toney Douglas 1,071,000.00 2nd rd pick 473,604.00 2nd rd pick 473,604.00 Tracy McGrady 1,399,000.00 (Vet's Minimum) Lebron James 17,100,000.00 Chris Bosh 17,100,000.00 Under Contract 57,135,000.00 Salary Cap 57,000,000.00 Cap Space -135,000.00 PG Sergio Rodriguez SG Tracy McGrady SF Lebron James PF Danilo Gallinari C Chris Bosh PG/SG Toney Douglas SG/SF/PF Wilson Chandler PF/C You know I gonna spin wit it
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27678 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
2/21/2010 7:31 PM
Between my last two posts, I point out the total cap space, presuming a $57M cap. Latest projections are showing it increasing to $57M next year. It doesn't matter much with a two max free agent plan because the max contract amount is a sliding scale set at 30% of the salary cap. So, regardless of the cap total, two max free agents will be 60% of our cap space.
I note that in the second scenario, McGrady is contracted at the Veteran's Minimum. The fact that this puts us over the cap is not relevant. We can sign as many vets minimum contracts as necessary (or advisable) based upon the Vet's minimum exception. I would think that a player like Camby might be tempted to take the Vet's Minimum also to play here. Sergio Rodriguez accepting the Qualifying Offer is the oddest part of this projecting because he will not receive a QO from the Knicks. His cap hold is the same as a Max FA. It is more likely that he will negotiate a two year deal. You know I gonna spin wit it
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/21/2010 7:31 PM LAST EDITED: 2/21/2010 7:36 PM
sign & trade Lee, Wilson, Douglas & Curry for Amare, Barbosa & Dudley
sign Lebron to the max sign T-Mac to midlevel dollars sign Sergio to qualifying offer sign House to veteran's minimum C - Amare $16.5 mil $57.1 mil total salary After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
2/21/2010 7:35 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:Between my last two posts, I point out the total cap space, presuming a $57M cap. Latest projections are showing it increasing to $57M next year. It doesn't matter much with a two max free agent plan because the max contract amount is a sliding scale set at 30% of the salary cap. So, regardless of the cap total, two max free agents will be 60% of our cap space. i think it's gonna take at least a MLE type offer to get guys like T-Mac or Camby... i know Tracy said money won't be an issue but let's be real, if he shows he can still ball the rest of the way he's going to command at least MLE dollars from a host of teams next season. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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