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BRIGGS
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2/19/2010  3:29 PM
Fr me--atleast for this season it's T Mac

I would start him at PG with Chandler at SG--that gives you 6-8 6-8 in the backcourt which is hard to deal with

We need T mac to morph like LJ did--instead of being a chucker--be a lead guard and manage the game. Use your size and ballhandling to initiate the offense and take advantage of your size on guards who will be defending him. If he can reinvent himself and stay healthy like Grant Hill did with reduced minutes--27-32--he could be a real benefit. The key is him accepting team ball--not trying to be the player he once was and creating leading and initiating instead of chucking.
Use a ten man rotation

C Lee
F Gallinari
F J Bender
G W Chandler
G-T Mac
C/F Harrington
F Walker
G House
G Douglas
G Rodriguez

What do you think?

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2/19/2010  3:32 PM
Bender is more of a center than Harrington in terms of size.

As for you rotation, D'Antoni plays 8 guys, 9 at most. So 10 is unrealistic. I say there is 0% chance Duhon is completely benched, especially for Walker. I want to see it happen, you want to see it happen, we all want to see it happen. But D'Antoni is still loyal to this guy. If he's not starting, he'll still give at least 15 mpg off the bench. Remove Walker, Bender and possibly Douglas and add Duhon and that's a more realistic rotation.

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2/19/2010  3:33 PM
Nah, I rather have Sergio Rodriguez and Toney Douglas split the minutes at PG. We're likely going to need one of them to be the starting PG next year. I'm not expecting much from Tracy McGrady. My lineup would be ...

PF: Danilo Gallinari
SF: Wilson Chandler
C: David Lee -
SG: Tracy McGrady
PG: Sergio Rodriguez
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2/19/2010  3:34 PM
there we go briggs! a little positivity. now we're talking.

for me briggs, i want sergio starting. he's in the mold of the kind of guy d'antoni has been looking for, let's see how well he does. d'antoni has already stated that ssol will be back and i think he's saying that because he's going to have sergio blazin the ball up the court.

for me, my starting lineup would be:

C-lee
PF-chandler (the position chandler is much more comfortable with overall)
SF-gallo
SG-Tmac
pg-sergio

i think that right there is a pretty good starting lineup. it will be a fun last 29 games.

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2/19/2010  3:35 PM

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH BRIGGS?!
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2/19/2010  3:44 PM
nyk4ever wrote:there we go briggs! a little positivity. now we're talking.

for me briggs, i want sergio starting. he's in the mold of the kind of guy d'antoni has been looking for, let's see how well he does. d'antoni has already stated that ssol will be back and i think he's saying that because he's going to have sergio blazin the ball up the court.

for me, my starting lineup would be:

C-lee
PF-chandler (the position chandler is much more comfortable with overall)
SF-gallo
SG-Tmac
pg-sergio

i think that right there is a pretty good starting lineup. it will be a fun last 29 games.

that's who i would start. bench is toney, house, harrington, bender. no more duhon. please.

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2/19/2010  3:44 PM
Panos wrote:

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH BRIGGS?!

You beat me to it!

As far as the lineup, I just won't get excited until I actually see D'Antoni play our new PG, Douglas or maybe even Walker.
I get the feeling nothing is going to change with coach, he seems set and he is going to run the vets into the ground and keep the rotation small. There is something about D'Antoni that I just don't feel right about, but hope he proves me wrong. (No more dudu please)

I know I'm going to keep an eye on how Hill, Darko and Nate play, just for the sake of seeing if what D'Antoni said or didn't say (but implied) is true. Really curious if Hill is going to get playing time and how he will look and if his play will vindicate or villify D'Antoni.

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2/19/2010  3:49 PM
nyk4ever wrote:there we go briggs! a little positivity. now we're talking.

for me briggs, i want sergio starting. he's in the mold of the kind of guy d'antoni has been looking for, let's see how well he does. d'antoni has already stated that ssol will be back and i think he's saying that because he's going to have sergio blazin the ball up the court.

for me, my starting lineup would be:

C-lee
PF-chandler (the position chandler is much more comfortable with overall)
SF-gallo
SG-Tmac
pg-sergio

i think that right there is a pretty good starting lineup. it will be a fun last 29 games.

How is Chandler most comfortable as a PF. His natural position is SF. Move Gallo to the PF position which is the position that Walsh said he was drafting him for on draft day.

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2/19/2010  3:57 PM
iSergio wrote:Nah, I rather have Sergio Rodriguez and Toney Douglas split the minutes at PG. We're likely going to need one of them to be the starting PG next year. I'm not expecting much from Tracy McGrady. My lineup would be ...

PF: Danilo Gallinari
SF: Wilson Chandler
C: David Lee -
SG: Tracy McGrady
PG: Sergio Rodriguez

This is the line up that I favor but I don't anticipate Duhon not having a significant role for D'Antoni.
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2/19/2010  4:08 PM
I can use a zone defense with the starting 5

6-9 C
6-10 F
7-0 F
6-8 G
6-8 G

This will cause trouble for almost any team in the zone

then bring in the second unit with a package of 3 guards a Sf and harrington as my big to pick up tempo and play faster

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2/19/2010  4:15 PM
The positive of this trade is that from this day forward we will be in position of strength when trying to make trades starting in the off season. We no longer have to beg teams to take our unwanted contracts.

With the new found flexibility hopefully Walsh can make a bunch of small trades to slowly rekindle some of the assets we lost in the trade.

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2/19/2010  4:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/19/2010  4:32 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:The positive of this trade is that from this day forward we will be in position of strength when trying to make trades starting in the off season. We no longer have to beg teams to take our unwanted contracts.

With the new found flexibility hopefully Walsh can make a bunch of small trades to slowly rekindle some of the assets we lost in the trade.

For example, start by trading Harrington for a late first rounder to a team that needs his scoring, or maybe convert his salary into two bench players that improve the NYK depth. But of course, it's too late for that. We're stuck with chuck (as in "he chucks").
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2/19/2010  4:53 PM
Hindsight is 20/20, but looking back, I would have done the trades differently if we want to look it positively.

Sergio was available early on for a trade exception. I would have done that deal first, get it out of the way.

Memphis was looking for bench help, they ended up getting Brewer for a 2011 protected first. Is Al Better? I think so, better production, better expiring. Not sure why Walsh did not look into it when bulls pulled the Tyrus Thomas deal.

Nate trade should have netted a late first in 2011. I think everybody is shocked it did not.

The Hill trade is controversial because of the 2 picks, getting a memphis protected pick for Al and a Boston pick next year would have softened the blow. Or even substitute the 2012 pick with the 2011 Memphis pick. Get the hurt over in one year 2011.

I am reading that the Kings are not sure Thompson is the PF of the future that's why they got Landry.
Could we have had Jason Thompson for some cash and a second rounder, if Walsh had insisted after they got Carl Landry from Houston? Probably, but since thompson is due 2.1 Mil next year, Walsh was not interested. But I would have done it: Tmac and Thompson for Jeffries, Hill, Hughes, 2 first rd picks, 2010 second rd pick and cash.
We get a little under 30 Mil in 2010 cap space instead of 32 Mill. That's a max contract plus 1 very close to it, but at least you have a viable, young, cheap and balanced roster.
(a self imposing question: Why trade Hill if you are going to get Thompson? because Morey wanted Hill that bad)

We would still have SRod and we keep our 2012 pick.
And the roster is more balanced with SRod, TMac, Douglas, Chandler, Gallo, Lee, Thompson.
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2/19/2010  6:30 PM
C Lee
F Gallinari
F J Bender
G W Chandler
G-T Mac
C/F Harrington
F Walker
G House
G Douglas
G Rodriguez

What do you think?


Bender does not deserve to be on an NBA roster, much less a starting rotation... i would start Chandler at the 3 w/T-Mac at the 2... knowing MDA he will have Duhon starting at the PG for a while at least until Sergio gets acclimated w/the system he's trying to run.

i expect something like this going down the stretch of this season:

C - Lee
PF - Gallo
SF - Chandler
SG - T-Mac
PG - Duhon
6 - Harrington
7 - Sergio
8 - House
------------
9 - Douglas
10 - Walker
11 - Bender
12 - Curry

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2/19/2010  6:48 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:there we go briggs! a little positivity. now we're talking.

for me briggs, i want sergio starting. he's in the mold of the kind of guy d'antoni has been looking for, let's see how well he does. d'antoni has already stated that ssol will be back and i think he's saying that because he's going to have sergio blazin the ball up the court.

for me, my starting lineup would be:

C-lee
PF-chandler (the position chandler is much more comfortable with overall)
SF-gallo
SG-Tmac
pg-sergio

i think that right there is a pretty good starting lineup. it will be a fun last 29 games.

How is Chandler most comfortable as a PF. His natural position is SF. Move Gallo to the PF position which is the position that Walsh said he was drafting him for on draft day.


Gallo's too weak to play PF, he's not a post up player, at this point gallo's position is SF. Against the bulls we saw MDA play him at the 2g, and he had 4 points against Kirk.

Gallo is got to be more aggressive consistantly and needs to raise his IQ before you allow him to play any other position. I really haven't seen him have any success playing any other position especially defensively.

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2/19/2010  7:19 PM
Gallo played the 3 against the Bulls but Del Negro decided to switch it up defensively when Kirk was having trouble with Chandler in the post. He switch to the 3 when Gallo was not in the game when MDA had Duhon and Douglas in the game together. Deng was on Gallo to begin with then switch to Chandler. I agree I found it troubling that Kirk gave Gallo trouble in the post. But my point was that the 4 was not the position that Chandler is most comfortable with as nyk mentioned. It is just that he is able to play the 4 at spurts. The fact that he is asked to do it is the issue with compensating for weaknesses in his teammates as you mentioned. That is on the coaching staff for not getting the most out of their players' attributes.
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2/19/2010  7:47 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:there we go briggs! a little positivity. now we're talking.

for me briggs, i want sergio starting. he's in the mold of the kind of guy d'antoni has been looking for, let's see how well he does. d'antoni has already stated that ssol will be back and i think he's saying that because he's going to have sergio blazin the ball up the court.

for me, my starting lineup would be:

C-lee
PF-chandler (the position chandler is much more comfortable with overall)
SF-gallo
SG-Tmac
pg-sergio

i think that right there is a pretty good starting lineup. it will be a fun last 29 games.

How is Chandler most comfortable as a PF. His natural position is SF. Move Gallo to the PF position which is the position that Walsh said he was drafting him for on draft day.

read an article today or yesterday where it said chandler has always been much more comfortable at the 4... ill try and find it for you.

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2/19/2010  7:54 PM
Chandler played the 4 at DePaul
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2/19/2010  8:35 PM
Much rather have Chandler at the 3 and Gallo at the 4. Gallo isn't half bad as a post defender, but is awful guarding the perimeter. Opposite for Chandler. Not to mention Gallo drawing out opposing 4's to defend the 3 is more beneficial in regards to spacing than Chandler at the 4.
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2/19/2010  8:40 PM
The only positive from this trade is we did not give up our 2014 pick.
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